God's Sabbath Rest - Mission Impossible

[DavidTree]

Jesus was nailed to the cross which is our means of redemption, pardon, grace, ........
And the ceremonial laws that were a shadow of the cross and were a teacher of the means of salvation were nailed to the cross, Heb 9.

YES - Two were nailed to the Cross

#1 - the LORD Jesus Christ
and
#2 - the Law - all of It - not just the ceremonial aspects.

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Now that, all the Law was nailed to the Cross with Christ = therefore BOTH DIED.

Which One was made ALIVE after the Death on the Cross???

 

[TMS]

God's way is resting from works to attain to life ever after.

We are reconciled by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ.

I rest my case

“Sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under law but under grace. What then? Shall we sin [break the law] because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!” (Romans 6:14, 15).
“Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law” (Romans 3:31).

 

[TMS]

YES - Two were nailed to the Cross

#1 - the LORD Jesus Christ
and
#2 - the Law - all of It - not just the ceremonial aspects.

If all the law was nailed to the cross what condemns you of sin today?

 

[DavidTree]

I'm a retired worship leader...I worship God every day with singing and playing my instrument. What I mean when I talk about worshipping God and the Sabbath is that by setting apart the last day of the week for Him, that is, in itself, an act of worship.
Last Sabbath, I was going to walk to the store and do some shopping. Then I remembered what day it was and put it off. If it had been something that couldn't wait, that would've been different.
The Sabbath is supposed to be a delight, not a burden. Remember, Yeshua said that the Sabbath was made for man, and not the other way around.

This is great that you established in your heart to set aside a day of the week - but this in and of itself does cannot please God.

For if it were able to please the Father - then He would not of sent His Son to die on the Cross.

Now Christ did not die alone on the Cross - something else was nailed to the Cross with Him.

In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us.
And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Colossians 2:11-14

 

[TMS]

Think like this

All that we do and can do will not be good enough
We can obey and try to keep every aspect of the law and the sabbath and that will not be good enough

Jesus was perfect and His righteousness is what the Father see in our place.

But we do not make void the law and continue in sin that grace may abound.

 

[DavidTree]

If all the law was nailed to the cross what condemns you of sin today?

the Better question is - since the Law of God condemns us before Him since we all have failed to keep it.

What sacrifice was made on our behalf by which the Father was satisfied - ONCE and FOR ALL.

Nor did He enter heaven to offer Himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, Christ would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment, so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him.

You said this in your Post #88 - "The reason God rested and made it Holy was for mans sake. It was a gift to mankind."

You are CORRECT, 100% = The Sabbath REST of God was a Gift to mankind.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

The Sabbath REST of God is His SON - JESUS is the 7th DAY of REST

 

[Duckybill]

Colossians 2:16 (NKJV)
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

Amen Jesus, I won't!

 

[Oblio]

I believe this in my heart...
"16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him" - John 3:16
I believe this because He enabled me to believe it...it was a gift to me from Him.

 

[DavidTree]

Think like this

All that we do and can do will not be good enough
We can obey and try to keep every aspect of the law and the sabbath and that will not be good enough

Jesus was perfect and His righteousness is what the Father see in our place.

But we do not make void the law and continue in sin that grace may abound.

Read ALL of Romans so that you are able to come to the same understanding of the Law versus Grace.

Grace writes the Law of Christ on our hearts to know Him, love Him and obey Him.

Loving God is not about returning to that which HE nailed to the Cross but to HIM who conquered sin and death by His Resurrection.

One was made obsolete, the Law, and One was made ALIVE = CHRIST

Now the OP of this Thread has been solved.

 

[Oblio]

I am saved by faith in the finished work of Yeshua on the cross, this faith being a gift to me.
If He wants to install His law in me, great, but He'll have to do it. I'll cooperate with Him as He instructs me, and if there's a thing or two He wants me to do to help this come about, that's great too! But my salvation, it's His thing to do.

 

[Duckybill]

I am saved by faith in the finished work of Yeshua on the cross, this faith being a gift to me.
If He wants to install His law in me, great, but He'll have to do it. I'll cooperate with Him as He instructs me, and if there's a thing or two He wants me to do to help this come about, that's great too! But my salvation, it's His thing to do.

You're either a Christian under the New Covenant or you're a Jew under the Law of Moses.

 

[DavidTree]

I am saved by faith in the finished work of Yeshua on the cross, this faith being a gift to me.
If He wants to install His law in me, great, but He'll have to do it. I'll cooperate with Him as He instructs me, and if there's a thing or two He wants me to do to help this come about, that's great too! But my salvation, it's His thing to do.

The Law of Christ that HE writes on our hearts is this:

Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
Matthew 22:37-40

 

[Magenta]

Resting in Jesus every day is good,

I'll use another word,
Having peace of God in our heart each day is good.
And obeying the Sabbath the way God commands us to is also good.

And? You and others seem to want to make it into something it is not.

God's command was for rest. And as much as some want to make it into
a day of rest from any type of worldly work, which amounted to even so
much as carrying a pin in your pocket to some? Balderdash. According
to such people, the sinless Lamb of God broke the Sabbath rest.

 

[Oblio]

You're either a Christian under the New Covenant or you're a Jew under the Law of Moses.

Well, I thought I was and English/Canadian Christian until a few years ago when the Lord convinced me that things were not quite as I thought. As it turns out, I'm a descendent of Levi. He told me, etc.
I've heard all about demons, drugs, and aneurisms. And please don't tell me that Jesus is going to burn me in hell for believing this...He was the one who told me.
I believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. I believe He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. I believed He lived a sinless life. I believe He was unjustly tried, convicted, and crucified. God raised Him from the dead on the third day and Jesus is now sitting at the right hand of the Father. He will come again and judge the living and the dead. Etc.
This was the Father's will so that through faith in the substitutionary atonement of Christ, one's sins may be forgiven, they can be born again spiritually, and live with God forever.
I believe that natural branches were broken off so that wild ones could be grafted in. I believe that we are nearing the fulness of the gentiles and that natural branches are being grafted back in. I believe that the kingdom is going back to Israel, and that the gentile church is an equal part of Israel.
I now see myself as a Messianic Jew. We have some differences in theology but we are one in Christ.
I do, however, believe that God has sub-purposes for different people groups. We have so much more in common than we differ on. So let's try to get along, okay? He's watching and deserves the best we can give Him.

 

[Duckybill]

Well, I thought I was and English/Canadian Christian until a few years ago when the Lord convinced me that things were not quite as I thought. As it turns out, I'm a descendent of Levi. He told me, etc.
I've heard all about demons, drugs, and aneurisms. And please don't tell me that Jesus is going to burn me in hell for believing this...He was the one who told me.
I believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. I believe He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. I believed He lived a sinless life. I believe He was unjustly tried, convicted, and crucified. God raised Him from the dead on the third day and Jesus is now sitting at the right hand of the Father. He will come again and judge the living and the dead. Etc.
This was the Father's will so that through faith in the substitutionary atonement of Christ, one's sins may be forgiven, they can be born again spiritually, and live with God forever.
I believe that natural branches were broken off so that wild ones could be grafted in. I believe that we are nearing the fulness of the gentiles and that natural branches are being grafted back in. I believe that the kingdom is going back to Israel, and that the gentile church is an equal part of Israel.
I now see myself as a Messianic Jew. We have some differences in theology but we are one in Christ.
I do, however, believe that God has sub-purposes for different people groups. We have so much more in common than we differ on. So let's try to get along, okay? He's watching and deserves the best we can give Him.

Are you under the Law of Moses or the New Covenant? I don't think you know.

 

[Oblio]

Are you under the Law of Moses or the New Covenant? I don't think you know.

If you didn't read what I just wrote, you should. If you still ask me that question after reading it, then you're just trying to pick a fight. If that's the case, I'll put you on ignore. Ball's in your court.

 

[Duckybill]

If you didn't read what I just wrote, you should. If you still ask me that question after reading it, then you're just trying to pick a fight. If that's the case, I'll put you on ignore. Ball's in your court.

Ok, you don't know if you are under the Law of Moses or the New Covenant. Can't be both!

 

[Nehemiah6]

Are you under the Law of Moses or the New Covenant? I don't think you know.

Messianic Jews want to continue holding on to the Old Covenant while believing in Yeshua ha Mashiach (Jesus the Christ). It is not a very tenable position. You can't have both covenants operating at the same time. And the epistle to the Hebrews was written to Hebrew Christians so that they would give up the practices and beliefs of the Old Covenant. That is why Jesus said "new wine in new bottles (wineskins)".

Getting back to the 7th day sabbath. It was given to Israel under the Old Covenant. Christians have been given the Lord's Day (the first day of the week) under the New Covenant. And it fulfils the demands of the 4th commandment when applied properly..

 

[Magenta]

Messianic Jews want to continue holding on to the Old Covenant while believing in Yeshua ha Mashiach (Jesus the Christ). It is not a very tenable position. You can't have both covenants operating at the same time. And the epistle to the Hebrews was written to Hebrew Christians so that they would give up the practices and beliefs of the Old Covenant. That is why Jesus said "new wine in new bottles (wineskins)".

Getting back to the 7th day sabbath. It was given to Israel under the Old Covenant. Christians have been given the Lord's Day (the first day of the week) under the New Covenant. And it fulfils the demands of the 4th commandment when applied properly..

And why He said before that: No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment.
If he does, the new piece will pull away from the old, and a worse tear will result.

 

[Laura798]

Read ALL of Romans so that you are able to come to the same understanding of the Law versus Grace.

Grace writes the Law of Christ on our hearts to know Him, love Him and obey Him.

Loving God is not about returning to that which HE nailed to the Cross but to HIM who conquered sin and death by His Resurrection.

One was made obsolete, the Law, and One was made ALIVE = CHRIST

Now the OP of this Thread has been solved.

David, you don't seem to be reading what those who support the Sabbath wrote--no one on the other side seems to be reading or understanding. It's as if we are writing in Greek. All true believers know that we are 'Saved by grace, not of works, lest any many should boast."

Honoring the Sabbath is not a 'work of the law' --it is one of the 10 commandments.
All of us who have posted in support of the sabbath come from the stance that Jesus said,

"If you love me keep my commandments" and John said,

"This is the love of God, that you keep His commandments and His commandments are not burdensome."

if you ignore one, does that mean it's okay to ignore the other 9?

How is resting burdensome? How is memorializing God's finished work of Creation and remembering that burdensome? Again people on this forum keep talking about the Mosaic Law--the 10 Commandments are not the the same. I have seen no one who is in support of honoring the Sabbath that has a Pharisical mindset in this forum.

Jesus also added another commandment "That you love one another."

I have to say many here and elsewhere have been very unloving in their comments--it is the main catalyst for people leaving the site--this site is world wide, but there are less than 100 people at any given time participating--I was one of those who was going to delete my account because of the unloving, arrogant and rude behaviour on this site. I can't imagine people who have been on this site for years who are not kind or welcoming to newcomers (and i am not talking about a 'Hi' on the 'New' forum)--imagine if this were a face to face fellowship--would people actually treat each other this way?

I keep hearing "we are under grace we are under grace we are under grace"--but sadly those who say that don't believe they have to follow Christ's commands--not even the one to "love one another."