Faith is a work.
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How can you boast about faith, When God gave you the faith that you have. What power did you conjure up in yourself to understand the gospel. Understand the message of Christ, Make the payment of sin. Convict yourself of sin righteousness and judgment, etc etc.
Its like a two people who went overboard in a heavy sea, and will die a certain deaths unless they are rescued (saved),
when the rescuer comes, He tells them to have faith in him and let him do all the work.
The one person refuses and continues in pride to try to save himself. And ends up perishing,
The other, knowing his fate if he does not trust this savior. Allows the savior to do the work of pulling him out of the water and bringing him to safety,
Can the one rescued BOAST of saving himself. Can he BOAST of his faith? In reality, that person saved will BOAST in his rescuer, and he will go praising that persons name, Just like Paul did when he was rescued from phariseeism on that road to demascus. Did he boast of his faith, or did he boast in his rescuer?
Its like a two people who went overboard in a heavy sea, and will die a certain deaths unless they are rescued (saved),
when the rescuer comes, He tells them to have faith in him and let him do all the work.
The one person refuses and continues in pride to try to save himself. And ends up perishing,
The other, knowing his fate if he does not trust this savior. Allows the savior to do the work of pulling him out of the water and bringing him to safety,
Can the one rescued BOAST of saving himself. Can he BOAST of his faith? In reality, that person saved will BOAST in his rescuer, and he will go praising that persons name, Just like Paul did when he was rescued from phariseeism on that road to demascus. Did he boast of his faith, or did he boast in his rescuer?
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Rom 6 is the act of God baptizing us into the death and burial of Christ
It is NOT some human, who is a sinner that needed or needs saved himself. Immersing you in water.
Rom 6 says BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST, BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH etc.
Christ and Death are the substance that we were baptized into. Not water.
Our sins are washed at that point, Just as paul told Titus. The washing of regeneration of who? The holy spirit
Rom 6 is baptism of the spirit. Not baptism of water.
It is NOT some human, who is a sinner that needed or needs saved himself. Immersing you in water.
Rom 6 says BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST, BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH etc.
Christ and Death are the substance that we were baptized into. Not water.
Our sins are washed at that point, Just as paul told Titus. The washing of regeneration of who? The holy spirit
Rom 6 is baptism of the spirit. Not baptism of water.
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Jesus Christ started the Church, which is the body of Christ (Colossians 1:18,24) that is made up of all genuine born again Christians and is not simply a church building with a name stamped on it. I see that the so called church of Christ has really done a number on you. You bought into their sales pitch hook, line and sinker! 
Your church has originated with men, namely THOMAS CAMPBELL, ALEXANDER CAMPBELL, WALTER SCOTT, and BARTON W. STONE. Now did these men actually "restore" the gospel, the church, and true New Testament worship, as they claim, or did they simply create another sect bent on a more dogmatic sectarianism than others they renounced? You can read about it in Campbellism, it's history and heresies.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but in Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.
*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).
In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.
*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
Your church has originated with men, namely THOMAS CAMPBELL, ALEXANDER CAMPBELL, WALTER SCOTT, and BARTON W. STONE. Now did these men actually "restore" the gospel, the church, and true New Testament worship, as they claim, or did they simply create another sect bent on a more dogmatic sectarianism than others they renounced? You can read about it in Campbellism, it's history and heresies.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but in Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.
*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).
In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.
*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
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I've heard this same bogus argument from Campbellites before -- saved by "these" works (good works) and just not "those" works (works of the law). Here is a statement below from a Campbellite who I once in a discussion with a while back:
"It is works of obedience that help to save us and not works of the law or works of merit."
As if Christ's finished work of redemption is insufficient to save us and Jesus needs our works to help Him save us. Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28)
In James 2:15-16, the example of a "work" that James gives is: "If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?" To give a brother or sister these things needed for the body would certainly be a "good work" yet to neglect such a brother or sister and not give them the things needed for the body is to break the second great commandment "love your neighbor as yourself" (Matthew 22:39) as found written in the law of Moses (Leviticus 19:18).
In Matthew 22:37-40, we read: Jesus said to him, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. Please tell me which good works a Christian could do that are "completely detached" from these two great commandments which are found in the law of Moses? (Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18).
You cannot dissect good works from the moral aspect of the law and then teach that we are saved by "these" works, but just not "those" works. By doing so you are perverting the gospel. In Ephesians 2:8-9, Paul did not say that we are saved through faith and good works, just not works of the law. He said that we are saved by grace through faith, not works. *Elsewhere, Paul said we are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done.. (Titus 3:5) and he also said that God saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works.. (1 Timothy 1:9) So we are not saved by works in general.
*Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works. BTW faith is not simply just another work in a series of works in a quest to obtain salvation by works. That's why Paul said saved through faith, not works. Note the distinction.
Here is a statement below from a Campbellite who I once in a discussion with a while back:"It is works of obedience that help to save us and not works of the law or works of merit."
As if Christ's finished work of redemption is insufficient to save us and Jesus needs our works to help Him save us. Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28)
In James 2:15-16, the example of a "work" that James gives is: "If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?" To give a brother or sister these things needed for the body would certainly be a "good work" yet to neglect such a brother or sister and not give them the things needed for the body is to break the second great commandment "love your neighbor as yourself" (Matthew 22:39) as found written in the law of Moses (Leviticus 19:18).
In Matthew 22:37-40, we read: Jesus said to him, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. Please tell me which good works a Christian could do that are "completely detached" from these two great commandments which are found in the law of Moses? (Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18).
You cannot dissect good works from the moral aspect of the law and then teach that we are saved by "these" works, but just not "those" works. By doing so you are perverting the gospel. In Ephesians 2:8-9, Paul did not say that we are saved through faith and good works, just not works of the law. He said that we are saved by grace through faith, not works. *Elsewhere, Paul said we are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done.. (Titus 3:5) and he also said that God saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works.. (1 Timothy 1:9) So we are not saved by works in general.
*Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works. BTW faith is not simply just another work in a series of works in a quest to obtain salvation by works. That's why Paul said saved through faith, not works. Note the distinction.
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Now I understand you needing to accommodate your Campbellism theories, but this is ridiculous! "Through His blood" (Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 1:14) is a reference not limited to the fluid as if the blood has saving properties in it's chemistry and we literally contact it in the waters of baptism, but is an expression pointing to the totality of Christ's atoning work as a sacrifice for sin. The word "cross" is used similarly to refer to the whole atoning work of Christ on the cross (1 Corinthians 1:18; Galatians 6:12,14; Ephesians 2:16).
In regards to Romans 6:3-4, Greek scholar AT Robertson explains - Baptism is the public proclamation of one's inward spiritual relation to Christ attained before the baptism. So here "unto his death," "in relation to his death," which relation Paul proceeds to explain by the symbolism of the ordinance. The picture in baptism points two ways, backwards to Christ's death and burial and to our death to sin, forward to Christ's resurrection from the dead and to our new life pledged by the coming out of the watery grave to walk on the other side of the baptismal grave. There is the further picture of our own resurrection from the grave. It is a tragedy that Paul's majestic picture here has been so blurred by controversy that some refuse to see it. It should be said also that a symbol is not the reality, but the picture of the reality. You are confusing the picture (water baptism) with the reality (Spirit baptism).
Before mentioning baptism in chapter 6, Paul had repeatedly emphasized that FAITH, not baptism is the instrumental cause of salvation/justification (Romans 1:16, 3:22-30; 4:4-6, 13; 5:1). That is when the old man was put to death and united in the likeness of His death, which water baptism symbolizes and pictures. Righteousness is "imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised up because of our justification" (Romans 4:24,25).
Since believers receive the benefits of Christ’s death and resurrection (justification), and that through faith, believers must be spiritually united to Him (delivered and raised up with Him). If baptism is taken as the instrumental cause, then Paul contradicts what he had established before, namely that justification is by FAITH, not baptism. *Hermeneutics. Paul clearly teaches that what is signified in baptism (buried and raised with Christ) actually occurs "through faith." Christians are "buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead" (Colossians 2:12). Justification on account of union in Christ's death, burial and resurrection is brought about "through faith" - and is properly symbolized by dipping the new believer in and out of the water.
In regards to Romans 6:3-4, Greek scholar AT Robertson explains - Baptism is the public proclamation of one's inward spiritual relation to Christ attained before the baptism. So here "unto his death," "in relation to his death," which relation Paul proceeds to explain by the symbolism of the ordinance. The picture in baptism points two ways, backwards to Christ's death and burial and to our death to sin, forward to Christ's resurrection from the dead and to our new life pledged by the coming out of the watery grave to walk on the other side of the baptismal grave. There is the further picture of our own resurrection from the grave. It is a tragedy that Paul's majestic picture here has been so blurred by controversy that some refuse to see it. It should be said also that a symbol is not the reality, but the picture of the reality. You are confusing the picture (water baptism) with the reality (Spirit baptism).
Before mentioning baptism in chapter 6, Paul had repeatedly emphasized that FAITH, not baptism is the instrumental cause of salvation/justification (Romans 1:16, 3:22-30; 4:4-6, 13; 5:1). That is when the old man was put to death and united in the likeness of His death, which water baptism symbolizes and pictures. Righteousness is "imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised up because of our justification" (Romans 4:24,25).
Since believers receive the benefits of Christ’s death and resurrection (justification), and that through faith, believers must be spiritually united to Him (delivered and raised up with Him). If baptism is taken as the instrumental cause, then Paul contradicts what he had established before, namely that justification is by FAITH, not baptism. *Hermeneutics. Paul clearly teaches that what is signified in baptism (buried and raised with Christ) actually occurs "through faith." Christians are "buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead" (Colossians 2:12). Justification on account of union in Christ's death, burial and resurrection is brought about "through faith" - and is properly symbolized by dipping the new believer in and out of the water.
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Amen, we are saved by the work of our Faithful Creator . As a work of His faith, the Father and Son demonstrated the labor of love .. (Isaiah 53)
We are saved by faith and not that of our own self. (we had none Zero) But again that of Christ's faith or plan . We are not saved by any labor we could perform .That would render the work of the father and Son as the peace of God that does surpass our understanding useless. .Why would we murmur?. We could end up like the guy in Mathew 7 who did perform wonderful works of God casting out demons with the gospel .He was hoping to establish his own righteousness, not imputed as Philippians 2:12 informs us. Jesus called him a worker of iniquity.
He reminds us he will not forget the good works attributed to his faith (His name)
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputingshilippians 2:12-13
We are saved by faith and not that of our own self. (we had none Zero) But again that of Christ's faith or plan . We are not saved by any labor we could perform .That would render the work of the father and Son as the peace of God that does surpass our understanding useless. .Why would we murmur?. We could end up like the guy in Mathew 7 who did perform wonderful works of God casting out demons with the gospel .He was hoping to establish his own righteousness, not imputed as Philippians 2:12 informs us. Jesus called him a worker of iniquity.
He reminds us he will not forget the good works attributed to his faith (His name)
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings
hilippians 2:12-13At what point does the blood of Jesus wash our sins away? Is it faith? When do we come into contact with his blood? His blood was shed in his death. Now read Romans 6:3-9. We were baptized into his death. Romans pictures us going down into the water a sinful man and coming up out of the water a new man. Resurrected with Christ. In “newness of life”. The only place in the Bible that we come into contac with his blood is in baptism..” we are buried with him bybaptism into his death””
My comment was in reference to Jesus’s blood washing away sins. The question was ,” when does the blood of Jesus wash away our sins?? Surely you are not suggesting it’s when we eat the Lords supper?
My comment was in reference to Jesus’s blood washing away sins. The question was ,” when does the blood of Jesus wash away our sins?? Surely you are not suggesting it’s when we eat the Lords supper?
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