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Lafftur

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At this point, it would not be hard to convince me you would drive the wrong way down a one way street and when the collision would occur, you would get out of your car and blame the other person for your error.

Yes, you have asked your 'special and anointed' question multiple times now and been given consistent and correct answers but they do not suffice in your economy because you have to be right or your world view will fall apart.

Most people understand that evil is immoral. It is significant if you do not.
Oh Niki, you seem young to me.... the longer we live, we face more and more evil in our life and with each encounter.... a choice. I've learned to NOT TO FEAR but to just simply make the right choice.... and see God behind it all.... He's teaching me to discern and know what is evil and what is good and to choose the good.

Much like Joseph in the dungeon and later facing his brothers... and telling them, "you meant it for evil, but God meant it for good."
 

Lafftur

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The tree of the knowledge of good and evil didn't have some fruit that represented "good" and some that represented "evil." As God's creation it was all good. We know this because God's word tells us everything He created was good. There was nothing evil about the tree per se; but when Adam & Eve ate the fruit their eyes were opened and they became aware that what they had done was evil. This is evidenced by the fact that they subsequently tried to hide from God.
Why was the Tree called The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and EVIL? And why was it in the Garden with the Tree of Life?

Time of testing.... Time to make a CHOICE.
 

Lafftur

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But yet you think God created evil and called it good. Remarkable.

Referring to sanctification as a dodge ball game with evil is just really really bad hermeneutics

No, I said, " God created Evil for OUR GOOD." I NEVER said Evil was good.
 

Magenta

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No, I said, " God created Evil for OUR GOOD." I NEVER said Evil was good.
Everything God created He proclaimed to be good, and very good.

Sin is evil. Sin enetered the world through Adam.
 

Magenta

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Yes, VERY GOOD for His Plan and Purposes. Completely flawless. All according to His PERFECT WILL.
God defining good and evil does not make God the creator of evil.

Sin is evil. Sin entereted the world through man, one man, that man being Adam.
 

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Why was the Tree called The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and EVIL?
It wasn't because God created evil and put it in the garden in the form of a tree. But you're free to believe whatever you want; I know you will anyway.
 

Inquisitor

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When I was born again I'd think why God had to do things the way he does..Or why people go through sufferings.
To me, it's like a universal Law.
When he spoke it in Genesis, and later the serpent corrupted Gods order,Jesus had to restore things to their former way.
And it's done through the same way it was done in Genesis.Through his Word.

Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.


If I were smart enough to study cosmology I'd look into the Word for clues for this so called universal Law.The signs are even on the Earth.And it always has to do with destruction and being born again.(water and blood)
On Earth Fire(water) destroys,the rain(Blood) restores, and the wind(Spirit) carries both.

John 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.


I can't stop talking about it, or thinking about it.
When life is created in the heavens, it begins with a star.Our own star is created in the image of the Spirit of the Lord,like I've mentioned in other threads.
I imagine all stars are in the same image.Even if a star isn't giving it's life up to support a planet like Earth,According to science it is star dust that creates life in the universe.
So a star destructs/gives it's life up so that there may be life.(Water and Blood)
It must have annoyed satan that men,created from lowly dust were given dominion over the Earth.But that's the Law of the universe.In us is life.Even from the dust we were created from.Life comes from it.
This to me is solid proof and it's undeniable that when God Spoke, and things came to be,that the signs are seen in both the physical and Spiritual plane.
In a nut shell,a star thats in the image of the Spirit of the Lord,gives it's life up and destructs(water) and in it is life.(Blood) John 2:19.

But this is one of the biggest finds for me.This universal Law isn't "In the beginning." Or "Let there be light."
The universal Law is the final commandment.Love one another.
Universe means one verse.The one verse Law is Love one another.Love is the answer to life.

God created out of Love.The Spirit,water,and the blood restores all things.

Some people think that my imagination is running wild or that I'm twisting Scripture.This is Scripture.And I try to back it up with scripture as much as I can.It's undeniable to me.My knowledge or memory of Scripture isn't as good as a lot of people here since a lot have been born again and studied longer than me.But God put in my heart the things of the water and the blood and I want to share it.

Colossians 1:16-17
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible
, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Well, someone can see through the Biblical fog.

But this is one of the biggest finds for me.This universal Law isn't "In the beginning." Or "Let there be light."
The universal Law is the final commandment.Love one another.
Universe means one verse.The one verse Law is Love one another.Love is the answer to life.

God created out of Love.The Spirit,water,and the blood restores all things.

God is love!

God is actually unconditional love observed through and in Jesus Christ.

There is one phrase that always takes first place in everything.

By Grace, God's unconditional Love has reconciled us, the imperfect, the flawed creation, to perfection, and forever.
 

Lafftur

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God defining good and evil does not make God the creator of evil.

Sin is evil. Sin entereted the world through man, one man, that man being Adam.
God created that Tree and called it the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and EVIL and put it in the Garden with the Tree of Life... God did that and it was for OUR GOOD.

I'm not going to argue with God, I'm going to learn my lesson to make right choices and know the difference between Life and Death... no matter how good Death looks, I will not eat of it. I choose to eat of the Tree of Life.
 

Lafftur

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I've enjoyed chatting with all of you! :love:

Today is Father's Day, I need to run out for a bit. I'll be back later this evening! :love:(y)
 

Magenta

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God created that Tree and called it the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and EVIL and put it in the Garden with the Tree of Life... God did that and it was for OUR GOOD.

I'm not going to argue with God, I'm going to learn my lesson to make right choices and know the difference between Life and Death... no matter how good Death looks, I will not eat of it. I choose to eat of the Tree of Life.
For sure, do not argue with God. However, God's revealed written Word nowhere says the Tree of the
knowledge of good and evil was in itself evil. Adam and Eve already knew good. They knew God.
They knew His creation, which God had proclaimed as being good, and very good. What Scripture
does say is that sin entered the world through the disobedience of one man. That man was Adam.


The evil they came to know was in disobeying God. Man is the author of evil according to Scripture.

Man's will in opposition to God is evil, and sinful.

For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh.
 

Inquisitor

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…why Jesus Christ had to die… why there was no other way? :unsure:
There obviously were other ways of reconciliation available to Jesus, to reconcile us to Himself.
God the Father controls all “time”… why not go back in time and let Adam and Eve take the test again? :unsure:
Adam and Eve would need to be created as perfect creatures in the first place. Yet, only God is perfect.
It is only by our catastrophic failures, that we can understand what perfect, unconditional love, is all about.

Why create Satan knowing he will be evil? :unsure:
That is unconditional love at work.


Parents know at times when their children are making mistakes. Sometimes you have to let them take some bumps and knocks. Otherwise, they will never learn what's right and wrong.
Why choose Judas as a disciple knowing he is a devil and will betray you? :unsure:
All the disciples made terrible mistakes at times.
All the disciples fled when Jesus was arrested. Jesus died alone. God loved Judas just as much as you or I.
 

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In theology, what constitutes a GREAT QUESTION?

1.) I think that if you have questions about these things... then it's important to seek answers.

2.) However, none of these questions are really beyond basic systematics or apologetics.

3.) If point #2 is an accurate assessment, then we are only addressing these questions because churches are failing to teach basic theology. And if we look at current surveys of Christians... it seems the average church is teaching very little.

4.) So after thinking this through, what exactly, in theology, constitutes a GREAT QUESTION?
a.) I think that any question you don't understand, should be asked.
b.) However, just because we don't know the answer, that doesn't mean the question is difficult.
c.) So what actually DOES make a great question? Well, I don't think there can be any greatness IN a question, but there may be greatness in the willingness to seek answers.
Seeking answers may show greatness in our attitude.



Interesting topic.
I hope you all have a great week ahead.

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What makes a great question for me is one that causes people to pause and contemplate God at a deeper level.
I agree that churches have fallen short of their responsibility to fulfill the great commission by not teaching all that Jesus taught. But private and solemn consideration of the Most High Himself always finds its place in Christian endeavor.
 

Magenta

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What makes a great question for me is one that causes people to pause and contemplate God at a deeper level.
I agree that churches have fallen short of their responsibility to fulfill the great commission by not teaching all that
Jesus taught. But private and solemn consideration of the Most High Himself always finds its place in Christian endeavor.
*Raises hand* I have a question. Given Adam and Eve's disobedience, with Eve having been deceived
while Adam was not, and also being told that bondage to sin is due to man's fear of death, why did
Adam and Eve not just eat from the Tree of Life? Some say Satan's lie was that they would be like God
in knowing good and evil, but God agreed with that assessment, so that was not Satan's lie. Satan's lie
was they would not surely die, whereas God had said they would if they ate from the totkog&e.
Another question that comes out of this one is, why do people continue to promote this lie,
the lie at the heart of the fall of man and corruption of all creation?
 

Cameron143

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*Raises hand* I have a question. Given Adam and Eve's disobedience, with Eve having been deceived
while Adam was not, and also being told that bondage to sin is due to man's fear of death, why did
Adam and Eve not just eat from the Tree of Life? Some say Satan's lie was that they would be like God
in knowing good and evil, but God agreed with that assessment, so that was not Satan's lie. Satan's lie
was they would not surely die, whereas God had said they would if they ate from the totkog&e.
Another question that comes out of this one is, why do people continue to promote this lie,
the lie at the heart of the fall of man and corruption of all creation?
I'll have to get back to you. Doing Father's Day things. Also, you are supposed to think and when God shares with you, you are supposed to share with us.
 

Magenta

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I'll have to get back to you. Doing Father's Day things. Also, you are supposed
to think and when God shares with you, you are supposed to share with us.
Happy Father's Day!!! .:D. Blessings to you, your wife, and children...
 

Fundaamental

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I've enjoyed chatting with all of you! :love:

Today is Father's Day, I need to run out for a bit. I'll be back later this evening! :love:(y)
I would just like to say I for one think your question have been sincere 🙂
 

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Well maybe you should think about it. One reason to think about it would be the fact that the King James has incorrectly translated the word 'ra' from the original language. Evil entered the world through sin. We are born into and live in a fallen world. There is no reason to fear God or what the Bible states if we belong to Him. We worship (fear in a different sense then being afraid) Him in awe because He is the beginning and the end 'Alpha and Omega'. We are entirely at His mercy but He is merciful and the Bible states that God is Love.

He is not murder or hate or the source of evil.

There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. 1 John 4:18
I get and agree with what you are saying. What I dont like to think about is that God Would allow Hid Greatest Work, "Lucifer" to turn so wicked. There but for the Grace of God Go I. Ive seen it Happen to others. I know Jesus said that He will not let that Happen. I am forever secure in His Love. This Fear is that He Came to me and where would I be if He had not. I dont like thinking about the What If. But I preach it to others.