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Daniel 9:27 does not say Jesus commits an abomination of desolation, it says that "for (because of) the overspreading of abominations He shall make it desolate"
Israel's abomination was the rejection and crucifixion of the Messiah and as a result they suffered desolation at the hand of Titus in 70 AD.
 

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1 You believe the book of Revelation was written after AD 70, I don't.
The Apostle John wrote the book when he was exiled on the isle of Patmos during the reign of Domitian around 95 A.D.
 

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1 You believe the book of Revelation was written after AD 70, I don't.
Here's where I've shown in past posts (even in other threads):

--Rev1:1 (which compared with the wording in 1:19c / 4:1 [7:3]), that this is speaking of events which are NOT the "WHICH ARE" (present) events, but what must come to pass AFTER those;

--this SEQUENCE agrees with the wording in Matthew 22:7 [70ad events, like Lk21:23,20 and Lk19:41-44!] AND THEN the Matthew 22:8 wording, saying, "THEN SAITH HE to his servants" (which necessarily means that what he has to FURTHER "say" comes AFTER the "70ad" events... and Jesus was IN HEAVEN *after* the 70ad events... so what was this "THEN SAITH HE to his servants" thing, AFTER the 70ad events?? I say that the LATER 95ad "[The] Revelation" fits the bill very well [see again also 7:3 re: the 144,000 "servants of our God" (who are "firstfruit" of the SECOND "firstfruit" word in Lev23... that of v.17... where it says "TWO loaves" and "baken WITH LEAVEN"--this is not us/"the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" ;) (i.e. a distinct "harvest"... there is more than a singular "harvest" [in Scripture, and in nature]--the "WHEAT harvest" is just one, and the 144,000 are "firstfruit" of THAT; and note the wording in James 1:18 "a KIND of")])

--more... (but enough for this post :p )
 
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Would that not make Jesus coming back twice in the clouds , returning twice?...
I know when Stephen was stoned , he saw Jesus when the heavens opened up before him as Stephan died...
...xox...
The propmise was one outward demonstration of the work of the unseen father working with the Son of man.Some did know Christ in the flesh for that 33 year window of opportunity.

God is not a man as us .The Spirit of Christ will come on the last day like a thief in the night.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
 

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Second part. If Jesus doesn't return until his second coming, and it's after the 1000 year reign, then you have to believe that Christ returns TWICE.
Its TWO Advents, the first being as a Suffering Servant the Second being as a Conquering King. Read John 20 and you will see Jesus had to come back to earth multiple times, the Second Coming has nothing to do with him merely coming to earth, it means Jesus' Earthly Advents. A Sacrificial Lamb vs. a Conquering Lion. The Jews missed the first advent because they were looking for the conquering lion.

Jesus Raptures the Church just as Rev. 14:14 shows us from a cloud. We go to Heaven to consummate our Marriage to the Lamb and return with Jesus just as Rev. 19 shows as Conquerors {White Horses represent conquerors} to defeat the Beast who is still on earth.

Those who get hung up on two comings miss the whole point. Matthew 24:29-31 is the Second Coming. The Rapture happens before the 70th week even begins.
 
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The obamanation that make it desolate was when Babylon came in on the holy ground around the temple which was the courtyard they were not post to be on the holy of ground around the temple,
The abomination of desolation took place when faithless Israel gather them selves together as one voice .They had become jealous of the surrounding pagan nation that had a outward representation as King, Emperor or Rabbi as Master.

God was the unseen King they did not want to worship by a faith written in a book . God gave them over in a parable for the time present. The reformation has come. The order is restored back to the time period of Judges .No outward representative. A time of great tribulation to mankind. Religion that Gods sets his approval lost it face or outward image . Many today are trying to fulfil it with another face. Even today as part of that tribulation mankind crying out to stone walls. As if one demonstration was not enough to the end of the abomination of desolation..
 

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The second beast. Given the powers of false miracles. The beast given all the power of the first beast who will be a false christ.

The one said to COMMIT the abomination of desolation.
He does commit the AoD but hes a False Prophet, not a false christ per se. Hes a Jewish High Priest his TYPE was Jason {real name Yeshua} whom Antiochus appointed High Priest, Jason tried to Hellenize the Jews which led to the Maccabean Revolt. Thus we get the DYNAMIC DUO TYPE in Antiochus and Jason, who were the TYPES False Prophet and Anti-Christ.

I came across Jason when researching Daniel 11, I did an Exegesis on every King in Daniel 11 and how they came to power. As I was researching Antiochus I saw where he appointed a man named Jason, who bribed him to be named the Jewish High Priest, having his Pious High Priest brother Oniass III killed. That is when it hit me he was the False Prophet TYPE. John was told about the False Prophet, Daniel wasn't, this bothered me, then I got it, if Daniel had told of a coming False Prophet, every other Jewish High Priest for the next 500 years until 70 AD would have been killed out of fear he was the prophesied False Prophet. So Daniel was only given generalities like he will take away THE SACRIFICE etc. etc.
 
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No
he was killed at the end of the 69th week

your time line is off

Jesus was introduced as messiah when he rode in on a donkey as the prophecy fortold

he died a few days later
It says that heshal;l cause the sacrifice & oblation to cease This is JESUS being cut off for our sins, And when HE was died on the Cross is When the sacrifice Ended
 
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Here's where I've shown in past posts (even in other threads):

--Rev1:1 (which compared with the wording in 1:19c / 4:1 [7:3]), that this is speaking of events which are NOT the "WHICH ARE" (present) events, but what must come to pass AFTER those;

--this SEQUENCE agrees with the wording in Matthew 22:7 [70ad events, like Lk21:23,20 and Lk19:41-44!] AND THEN the Matthew 22:8 wording, saying, "THEN SAITH HE to his servants" (which necessarily means that what he has to FURTHER "say" comes AFTER the "70ad" events... and Jesus was IN HEAVEN *after* the 70ad events... so what was this "THEN SAITH HE to his servants" thing, AFTER the 70ad events?? I say that the LATER 95ad "[The] Revelation" fits the bill very well [see again also 7:3 re: the 144,000 "servants of our God" (who are "firstfruit" of the SECOND "firstfruit" word in Lev23... that of v.17... where it says "TWO loaves" and "baken WITH LEAVEN"--this is not us/"the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" ;) (i.e. a distinct "harvest"... there is more than a singular "harvest" [in Scripture, and in nature]--the "WHEAT harvest" is just one, and the 144,000 are "firstfruit" of THAT; and note the wording in James 1:18 "a KIND of")])

--more... (but enough for this post :p )
Matthew 22 - What does it matter if Jesus is in heaven? The wedding feast is going on now and has been going on for 2000 years.

144000 - They are the firstfruits of Christ, that means they are the FIRST JEWS to come to Christ. Definitely indicating that this was 70 AD and not 2000 years in the future.
 
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Its TWO Advents, the first being as a Suffering Servant the Second being as a Conquering King. Read John 20 and you will see Jesus had to come back to earth multiple times, the Second Coming has nothing to do with him merely coming to earth, it means Jesus' Earthly Advents. A Sacrificial Lamb vs. a Conquering Lion. The Jews missed the first advent because they were looking for the conquering lion.

Jesus Raptures the Church just as Rev. 14:14 shows us from a cloud. We go to Heaven to consummate our Marriage to the Lamb and return with Jesus just as Rev. 19 shows as Conquerors {White Horses represent conquerors} to defeat the Beast who is still on earth.

Those who get hung up on two comings miss the whole point. Matthew 24:29-31 is the Second Coming. The Rapture happens before the 70th week even begins.
That's the way I used to believe.
 

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Israel's abomination was the rejection and crucifixion of the Messiah and as a result they suffered desolation at the hand of Titus in 70 AD.
Jesus uses the "SINGULAR" abominaTION (and desolaTION) "spoken of by Daniel the prophet" He says, and this then would connect it to both/either Dan11:31 and/or Dan12:11... the latter of these two set in the context of the "day amounts" which will conclude with Daniel [who was told will] "thou shalt REST [that is, in death] and STAND in thy lot [that is, be RESURRECTED, meaning: 'to stand again on the earth'] at the END of the days" (the specific "day amounts" OF THAT CONTEXT, vv.6-7,1-4).

When did this take place in/surrounding the 70ad events??


[in other old posts of mine, I show the wording in 12:11 "be set up" and what that correlates to in other passages elsewhere]
 
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It says in the middle.midst
Bud did you know that when Christ made his triumphal entry, it was exactly one week (7 days) later that he rose from the dead. And he was cut off in the midst of that week.

Then exactly 7 literal weeks (49 days) later he ascended into heaven and the Holy Spirit was poured out that day.

I've got the week and the 7 weeks, now all I need to find is the 62 weeks
 
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Jesus uses the "SINGULAR" abominaTION (and desolaTION) "spoken of by Daniel the prophet" He says, and this then would connect it to both/either Dan11:31 and/or Dan12:11... the latter of these two set in the context of the "day amounts" which will conclude with Daniel [who was told will] "thou shalt REST [that is, in death] and STAND in thy lot [that is, be RESURRECTED, meaning: 'to stand again on the earth'] at the END of the days" (the specific "day amounts" OF THAT CONTEXT, vv.6-7,1-4).

When did this take place in/surrounding the 70ad events??


[in other old posts of mine, I show the wording in 12:11 "be set up" and what that correlates to in other passages elsewhere]
Daniel Will be resurrected when HE comes And takes HIS SAINTS to HEAVEN for A years
 

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Bud did you know that when Christ made his triumphal entry, it was exactly one week (7 days) later that he rose from the dead. And he was cut off in the midst of that week.

Then exactly 7 literal weeks (49 days) later he ascended into heaven and the Holy Spirit was poured out that day.

I've got the week and the 7 weeks, now all I need to find is the 62 weeks
If you believe Dan9:25 says, "FROM _____ UNTO ____ is 7 Weeks and 62 Weeks [69 Weeks total]"... then what points (Point A and Point B) are speaking of? (Point B being "UNTO the Messiah the Prince")
 
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jesus does not commit an abomination of desolation, he even spoke of him in the book of Matthew chapter 24.

he did not even bring and end to sacrifice, they continued for another almost 40,years.
Yup 40 years just like Jesus said
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Luk_21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
God's vengeance for the murder of His Son

Along whit these guys
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
 

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Daniel Will be resurrected when HE comes And takes HIS SAINTS to HEAVEN for A years
Are you speaking of "our Rapture"/"THE Departure"?

I believe the Rapture pertains SOLELY to "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" [Eph1:20-23 WHEN]; not to all other saints of all OTHER time periods (not to OT saints, not to Trib saints, not to MK saints); It only pertains to all those saved "in this present age [singular]". Daniel (and OT saints) were not promised "rapture".


This is one reason why, when Paul was disclosing "A MYSTERY" that Paul uses the specific terms "THIS corruptible" and "THIS mortal" ;) (i.e. "the DEAD IN Christ" and the "we which are ALIVE and remain unto" [the TWO PARTS of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"])
 
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Bud did you know that when Christ made his triumphal entry, it was exactly one week (7 days) later that he rose from the dead. And he was cut off in the midst of that week.

Then exactly 7 literal weeks (49 days) later he ascended into heaven and the Holy Spirit was poured out that day.

I've got the week and the 7 weeks, now all I need to find is the 62 weeks
No
 
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washburn Tn
If you believe Dan9:25 says, "FROM _____ UNTO ____ is 7 Weeks and 62 Weeks [69 Weeks total]"... then what points (Point A and Point B) are speaking of? (Point B being "UNTO the Messiah the Prince")
All we have is what it gives us, But the week= 7 years in prophecy, A day = a year