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[Rondonmon]

Jesus cursed Israel and left them desolate, why wouldn't that be exactly who Daniel 9 is talking about? I mean think about, that's exactly what happened, they committed the greatest abomination that could ever be committed, they killed their Messiah. And the Messiah obliterated them for it in AD 70.

Its two different desolation's, one is the 70 AD event, which is where I think Jesus would have saved Israel if they had of accepted Jesus but of course God knew they wouldn't accept Jesus at that time, so he postpones the 70th week and inserts the Church Age, Israel is seen as Dead Men's Bones for night 2000 years, then the HE {Anti-Christ} in verse 27 makes an Agreement {Covenant} with MANY meaning Israel and other Mediterranean Sea nations and reneges on those agreements. We can see in Daniel 11:40-43 who the MANY are besides Israel, they are all of North Africa, and countries he rolls through to get to Israel, Syria and Lebanon.

So the Anti-Christ desolates the Jews during the 70th week, but they were also left desolate in AD 70 in that God forsook them for 2000 some odd years up until 1948.

 

[KJV1611]

This is JESUS's Kingdom after the 1000 years in HEAVEN

Isa_45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

It seems like Isaiah is calling Israel world without end... I don't know.

 

[bud62]

Rom_14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
The Scripture is clear on what the Kingdom of God is .

The kingdom that comes down from GOD out Heaven Is going to be the ever Kingdom, All the rest of the kingdoms will be destroyed

 

[Reba1]

The ever Kingdom is God's He has no beginning or end . His Word tells us clearly about His Kingdom in Romans 14:17

 

[bud62]

Its two different desolation's, one is the 70 AD event, which is where I think Jesus would have saved Israel if they had of accepted Jesus but of course God knew they wouldn't accept Jesus at that time, so he postpones the 70th week and inserts the Church Age, Israel is seen as Dead Men's Bones for night 2000 years, then the HE {Anti-Christ} in verse 27 makes an Agreement {Covenant} with MANY meaning Israel and other Mediterranean Sea nations and reneges on those agreements. We can see in Daniel 11:40-43 who the MANY are besides Israel, they are all of North Africa, and countries he rolls through to get to Israel, Syria and Lebanon.

So the Anti-Christ desolates the Jews during the 70th week, but they were also left desolate in AD 70 in that God forsook them for 2000 some odd years up until 1948.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus cursed Israel and left them desolate, why wouldn't that be exactly who Daniel 9 is talking about? I mean think about, that's exactly what happened, they committed the greatest abomination that could ever be committed, they killed their Messiah. And the Messiah obliterated them for it in AD 70.

This is not exactly true

ad 70 occured as they last cycle of discipline spoken of I. Lev 26, they were destroyed because they refused to accept the 6th and were punished 7 times more, they were destroyed for the same reason babylon and assyria took them before. Because they sinned against Hid continually.

The romans crucified Christ, as well as the Jews, which means mankind killed him

 

[bud62]

Daniel 9:27 is JESUS and not the antichrist.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

If I have missed anybodies post, I apologize... I'm trying.

Yes , how 'bout we back up and go over my "CONDENSED and SIMPLIFIED" version of my first post... which you requested, and then I placed back on Page 3, lol: https://christianchat.com/threads/end-times-timeline.190217/post-4161848

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Daniel 9:27 is JESUS and not the antichrist.

Wrong

jesus does not commit an abomination of desolation, he even spoke of him in the book of Matthew chapter 24.

he did not even bring and end to sacrifice, they continued for another almost 40,years.

 

[Rondonmon]

Here is some cool thoughts from a friend of mine.

Rome is called "the people of the prince that shall come." Who is this prince? Not "Messiah the Prince" because that refers to Christ. "The prince that shall come" is Anti-Christ! 'He will be the leader of the restored Roman Empire. So, the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. was but an illustration of a future invasion and destruction to be led by Anti-Christ. This prince will make an agreement with the Jews to protect them from the other nations and this agreement will be set for seven years. This final seven years is the completion of Daniel's 490 year period.

Four decrees that have to do with rebuilding Jerusalem:
536 B.C. (Ez. 1:1-4)
519 B.C. (Ez. 6:1-12)
458 B.C. (Ez. 7:7)
445-6 B.C. (Neh. 2:1-8) Christ is 33 1/2 years old from this date!


NOTE: Between the death of Christ and the signing of this covenant you have the entire Age of the Church, a "great parenthesis" in God's program. The 490 years are in operation only when Israel is in God's will as God's people. When Israel crucified Christ, she was set aside and the "prophetic clock" stopped ticking. But when the church has been caught away to heaven and the Anti-Christ signs his pact with Israel, then the last seven years of Daniel's "70 weeks" will start being fulfilled. This seven year period is know as the Tribulation or the Time of Jacob's Trouble. It is described in Rev. 6-19.

Exactly on point brother, kudos.

Have you ever looked at the European Neighborhood Policy that currently has the E.U. with 7 year agreements with these countries which include Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Palestine, Syria, Tunisia ? Notice the Nations the Anti-Christ Conquers in Dan. 11:40-43 kind of corresponds with these nations, save he can't Conquer Central/Southern Jordan where Petra is at. In other words the framework for the Anti-Christs agreement might already be in place, bit after the Rapture he puts his own spin on this agreement with Israel and THE MANY.....Notice in Dan. 8:25 he Conquers the Holy people AND the Many, in Dan. 9:27 he makes agreements with Israel AND the Many and in Daniel 11 he Conquers Israel and MANY countries in verse 41.

As we saw with the China trade agreements via the USA, these deals take many years to work out at times, so having this framework in place makes a lot of sense as per Satan's strategy. Hes ready to go when given the chance, hes always trying to bring this New World Order via the E.U. to pass, see Hitler etc. etc.

Thoughts ?

 

[KJV1611]

this refers to gentiles who have enslaved them since babylon, and most noticeably in 70 Ad when they were completely removed from Israel

read on..

And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
9 But they shall serve the Lord their God,

Jer 30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
Jer 30:9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

If you're right, and I think you are on the last part, the strangers (gentiles) serve the Lord their God, and DAVID (Christ) their king.

Do you realize that this happened - strangers (gentiles) serving Jacob's God, this happened when Christ came the first time and brought salvation to Gentiles?

Do you see that this is another evidence of the timing of Jacob's trouble? It happened when the gentiles began to serve Jacob's God, when Christ came and brought salvation to the Gentiles. You've got to be getting this now.

 

[KJV1611]

This is not exactly true

ad 70 occured as they last cycle of discipline spoken of I. Lev 26, they were destroyed because they refused to accept the 6th and were punished 7 times more, they were destroyed for the same reason babylon and assyria took them before. Because they sinned against Hid continually.

The romans crucified Christ, as well as the Jews, which means mankind killed him

Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

According to Acts the Jews killed him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jer 30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
Jer 30:9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

If you're right, and I think you are on the last part, the strangers (gentiles) serve the Lord their God, and DAVID (Christ) their king.

Do you realize that this happened - strangers (gentiles) serving Jacob's God, this happened when Christ came the first time and brought salvation to Gentiles?

Do you see that this is another evidence of the timing of Jacob's trouble? It happened when the gentiles began to serve Jacob's God, when Christ came and brought salvation to the Gentiles. You've got to be getting this now.

No,

because israe ,and judah are still seperated, still enslaved

prophecy is not fulfilled until every part of it is fulfilled

its a check and balance so we can not say, hey look this is done, the prophecy is fulfilled, no it’s not. Until everything comes to past

thats why I can not buy into the thinking its already past. If it was, everything would be fulfilled, it’s not

amd yes, gentiles will serve the king too. They will come up once a year to worship

 

[KJV1611]

Yeah, and you answered my p.s. Thanks.

I'm endeavoring to point out the parallel passages that then provide us with the "chronology" (the "what thing happens WHEN in relation to what other things" )

So I started by saying that Matt24:4-8/Mk13:5-8/Lk21:8-11 ("the beginning of birth PANGS [PLURAL]") are parallel (or you could say, identical) with the SEALS of Rev6.

Are you tracking with me so far (even if you disagree... I'm wondering if you're tracking with my first point, thus far)?

I do agree that those are parallels of the seals. Where I don't agree is that the seals are future.

 

[Rondonmon]

You buried your reply, but yes there were left desolate, God revives those DEAD BONES and then BREATHES on Israel during the 70th week when the 1/3 repent. The Anti-Christ Desolates the Jews once again, that is why the must flee Judea unto Petra, and the 2/3 who do not repent will perish.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I don't buy that for one minute.

May I ask,

which aspect of my post do you "not buy"? :

--that in that verse Jesus uses the SINGULAR 'you' first (1x), and then uses the PLURAL 'you' (2x); or

--that there is such a thing as the "proleptic 'you'" (basically meaning, "all those in the future, of the same category"--This is what Jesus uses in, say, Matthew 24, where the "you" is a consistent "you," and speaks specifically [in that CONTEXT] of "all those to whom the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom, was promised" [example: Matt24:29-31's "GREAT trumpet" aligns with Isaiah 27:12-13, where ISRAEL is/will be gathered "ONE BY ONE" (not "AS ONE") "to worship the Lord in the holy mount, AT JERUSALEM" (not a "Rapture" context!)];

...and how Paul uses the "proleptic 'we'" when he says, "then WE which are alive and remain unto" speaking of the still-living portion of the Church which is His body at the time of our Rapture--We would not insist that Paul was saying for certain "our Rapture" MUST take place in PAUL'S lifetime because of his use of the word "we". This is comparable, and yet we see no one suggesting such a thing (unless they are just committed to viewing everything from the Preterist viewpoint).

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I do agree that those are parallels of the seals. Where I don't agree is that the seals are future.

Yeah, I figured that was your view... thus why I went into "all that" in my initial post of this thread (the one you didn't care to scrutinize, but where I explained why I disagree with the idea of "seals in the past" perspective

"Post #16, page 1" of this thread, for the readers: https://christianchat.com/threads/end-times-timeline.190217/post-4161822 ).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

According to Acts the Jews killed him.

Yeah

and the romans slew them too

thats not why they were punished

Lev 26;
And after all this, if you do not obey Me, but walk contrary to Me,
28 then I also will walk contrary to you in fury;
and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29 You[g] shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters.
30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars, and cast your carcasses on the lifeless forms of your idols;
and My soul shall abhor you.
31 I will lay your cities waste and bring your sanctuaries to desolation, and I will not smell the fragrance of your [h]sweet aromas.
32 I will bring the land to desolation, and your enemies who dwell in it shall be astonished at it.
33 I will scatter you among the nations and draw out a sword after you;
your land shall be desolate and your cities waste.


this is word for word what happened in 70 Ad, and it was promised and written down by moses when the law was written.
it was not some secret what would happen, or why it happened.
the Roman church made up the fact god was done by using that argument, they were evil and killed Christ and so ad 70 happened

thats not true, their destruction was assured long before that

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You buried your reply, but yes there were left desolate, God revives those DEAD BONES and then BREATHES on Israel during the 70th week when the 1/3 repent. The Anti-Christ Desolates the Jews once again, that is why the must flee Judea unto Petra, and the 2/3 who do not repent will perish.

Where do you get 1/3 repents?

 

[Rondonmon]

Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Something that catches my heart is folks not understanding Jesus knew/knows the difference between the words this and that .

The THIS here is in conjunction with about 10-12 signs, the last sign is the Sun and Moon turning Dark {70th week sign}, so the Generation that sees all the signs will be the Generation that Jesus is speaking of when he says THIS Generation. Not juxtaposing the last sign against the Generation its about throws off what the THIS means.