Does God ever cancel covenant promises?

[Blik]

Grandpa, we go over this and over this, and you have all of the OT in you as Judaism, and I have all the OT in me as God telling us His principles. To me you are denying the Lord, and to you I am following a false religion. Nothing can change our differing perceptions.

You love Christ and I love Christ, only you have Christ without las and I have not only the law but the enhanced law through the spirit of God. We share that Christ gives us forgiveness, and that is what our salvation is based on. Except in your eyes I am earning my own salvation without God's granting it, there is no way I can get through to you that salvation is based on faith only. You accept that for yourself, but not for me. I think God He accepts that in me.

 

[Xethea]

Peace between us.

This is why I hate only typing, things are misunderstood much easier. But there is barely anyone on the voice chat app compared to here

 

[dcontroversal]

No.....most ignore the following two facts....

a. The first covenant was conditionary upon Israel's obedience to the law and was given to establish their guilt as well as ours (Gentiles)

b. The second covenant is based upon Grace and is reliant upon Christ, his work of faith in us that he begins, finishes and completes, his power, his promises and his imputed righteousness by the afore mentioned faith!

 

[Lillywolf]

This is why I hate only typing, things are misunderstood much easier. But there is barely anyone on the voice chat app compared to here

I know what you mean.
I don't have the app. for chat.
One good thing about typing in discussion forums. It gives you the opportunity to be very proficient and fast. Then you might consider getting an at-home job after obtaining , say, medical transcription training. "Work At Home".

 

[Xethea]

I know what you mean.
I don't have the app. for chat.
One good thing about typing in discussion forums. It gives you the opportunity to be very proficient and fast. Then you might consider getting an at-home job after obtaining , say, medical transcription training. "Work At Home".

I still feel like crap misunderstanding you, heh. I only have the app on pc at home, but I don't have internet at home, only when I am out where there is wifi. So I use my phone and such

 

[Blik]

Hi everyone! Concerning the law of Moses read Galatians 3. All of it together, word by word, line by line. Without taking scripture out of context. Paul answers this question. We are not under the law. Paul also answers it in Romans and Hebrews but Galatians 3 he lays it out from Abraham, ( were God first preached the gospel to Abraham ), to Moses, to Christ.
There are different covenants ( promises ). God fulfills His promises and some are done and others ( the Israel nation for example ) are to still to be fulfilled.

If you read Galatians 3 without learning the end of the story you are learning a half truth and it is a distortion then of a whole truth.

That is what Satan does. Satan told Eve a half truth and she believed it was good to be equal with God. That is what Satan did when Jesus was tempted in the desert, Satan told half truths.

Galatians 3 is true, but it is also true (and completes the truth) that we are to die with Christ, die to sin and let Christ take it all from us and THEN put on Christ. That is to get sin from our life and not live with it any more.

 

[Lillywolf]

I still feel like crap misunderstanding you, heh. I only have the app on pc at home, but I don't have internet at home, only when I am out where there is wifi. So I use my phone and such

Let it go. Life is too short to hold onto something that has no meaning. We understand one another now and we are at peace.

I can appear abrasive in posts here when provoked. And I can in fact be quite stern too when provoked.
I do not hold animosity if someone misunderstands a simple post that I've made. That is why I said you misunderstood me.
Now you don't. All is well.

 

[Blik]

I gathered that very quickly. Law keepers have only the OT and maybe some of the 4 gospels as long as it agrees with their desire to hold unto the laws and traditions. In find it very sad.

I am a law keeper as well as I can be and be a descendant of Eve, and it makes me joy filled, not sad. It is what Christ told me to do. In fact Christ even commented on the Law of Moses to make it even stricter. It keeps me from being enslaved and bonded to sin, it frees me. I can be in communion with God, God cannot commune with sin. It gives me fruits of the spirit as scripture promised. When I died with Christ He gave me His spirit, so my law keeping is with the spirit of God interpreting it for me.

People who toss out God and His word if it is in the OT toss out the law, like tossing out God.

I am saved, as the modern day Christians like to chant it, through my faith in the Lord. It is a comfort to know that God is with me right through death and He wouldn't be without salvation. God doesn't look at my law keeping to give me salvation, but to my faith in Him. But my joy comes through the law.

 

[foolishone]

If you read Galatians 3 without learning the end of the story you are learning a half truth and it is a distortion then of a whole truth.

That is what Satan does. Satan told Eve a half truth and she believed it was good to be equal with God. That is what Satan did when Jesus was tempted in the desert, Satan told half truths.

Galatians 3 is true, but it is also true (and completes the truth) that we are to die with Christ, die to sin and let Christ take it all from us and THEN put on Christ. That is to get sin from our life and not live with it any more.

I read it all from the beginning to the end, wonderful! His blessing are new every morning! 44 times. He keeps on showing me more every time I read as well as reminding me of things. The Word is alive a two edged sword.

 

[foolishone]

There is God's law, Mosaic law, fulfilled law, Noah's law. Things meant for Jews and things meant for gentiles. Read Galatians 2 very slowly and in context. I've read Galatians over 40 times and then this year boom! Galations 2 made it all clear.

I meant Gal:3

 

[Dino246]

I am a law keeper as well as I can be ... But my joy comes through the law.

James 2:10 "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point, he has become guilty of all."

As it is impossible to keep the Law completely, you are a law breaker, not a law keeper. As such you are under a curse...

Galatians 3:10b "Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the Law, to perform them."

Galatians 3:2-3 "This is the only thing I want to find out from you did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?"

Galatians 5:22 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience...."

 

[Blik]

James 2:10 "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point, he has become guilty of all."

As it is impossible to keep the Law completely, you are a law breaker, not a law keeper. As such you are under a curse...

Galatians 3:10b "Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the Law, to perform them."

Galatians 3:2-3 "This is the only thing I want to find out from you did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?"

Galatians 5:22 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience...."

Perhaps you are under a curse through the law but I am not. I go to Christ and He forgives all my sins and freely hands me salvation.

Perhaps you have given up trying to keep the law because you are human and can't. I keep working at it and the very trying is joyful. The word happy just doesn't cut it, it is joy. You can gossip about my being a law breaker, it is fine with me. God keeps cleaning up my messes and God gives me blessings when I succeed so you haven't scared me off with your dire words. I am uplifted in the Lord.

 

[JaumeJ]

I can see that Jesus took 3 examples from Gods law ( 10 commandments ) and expanded on them and then took 2 examples from the mosaic law and changed them. So with my understanding Jesus did a jot and tittle Himself of the Mosaic law because He is the giver and fulfiller of those laws. So He can. So no it is not alright to obey those 2 mosaic laws because Jesus right there changed them. That was just the beginning of the passing of the mosaic law. Did you catch that?
Glad to hear you read your bible I do too about twice a year front to back for the past 40 plus years. And I believe the whole bible is the Word of God and there are no errors or contradictions. Let scripture interpret scripture. Paul is clear we are not under the mosaic law. And scripture is clear God's commands ( 10 that He wrote with His finger ) still stand 'till heaven and earth pass away. Plus the new commandment that Jesus gave. Wonderful news !! In the New Heaven and Earth there will be no need of those commands either. Amen.
Sooooo I'm not going to continue with you on this because I have learned from experience that law keepers can waste many hours in my days never taking into account all the scripture. If you don't believe Paul then their is no way I'm can make you see. Shalom.

iF YOU KNOW THAT jESUS cHRIST EXPLAINS AND TEACHES HOW THE LAW IS YET TO BE FOLLOWED ACCORDIGN TO hIM WHY TO YOU SAY hE CONTRADICTED hIMSELF? sO YOU ARE gOD'S EDITOR? nO MY FRIEND, ALL THE LAWS THAT FULFILLW HAT jESUS SAYS IN DOING ARE YET TO BE observed……..The way you say it would be just fine to move your landmark in favor of yourself robbing your neighbor…...do not hear me, Hear Jesus, do not judge the Words of Jesus as you are doing but learn from HIm.

 

[JaumeJ]

I think you are missing something. Apostate Israel were hypocrites. In other words, they had no legitimate love for the True God whatsoever. No repentance. No good works. No good fruit from a good tree. And they were letterists…..keeping the letter of the law and dismissing the spirit.

Christians do not keep the law perfectly either. But their love of God is genuine, therefore they have been redeemed, therefore they are under the blood, therefore they are in a continual state of forgiveness.

BTW the matter of circumcision and keeping the Mosaic law was settled in Act ch 15.

I do not think you understand what apostasy is. It is saying kGod says something God does not. It existed already at the time of Paul, and as Jesus teaches, it abounds now for He said it would……...otherwise how to you have any denominations which have doctrines contradictingg each other and the Word? Think! Meitate and pray!

 

[JaumeJ]

To answer the OP question, no. (Article: The Difference between a covenant and a promise)

Numbers 23:19 God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

Are you censoring everyone but yourself?

Is no one allowed to follow the thread as it develops? I think I will continue as I feel I must with a good conscience ...

 

[Blik]

No.....most ignore the following two facts....

a. The first covenant was conditionary upon Israel's obedience to the law and was given to establish their guilt as well as ours (Gentiles)

b. The second covenant is based upon Grace and is reliant upon Christ, his work of faith in us that he begins, finishes and completes, his power, his promises and his imputed righteousness by the afore mentioned faith!

I wish you could come face to face with God instead of knowing Him through His word. And I so wish you could know all God's word.

Imagine telling God His laws are only to make you feel guilty. Or that His son wasn't from the beginning but came only in the body of Christ and Christ changed the nature and attributes of God. It changed, you could tell God, from a harsh time to a time of grace.

How God must feel grief when He looks at us.

 

[dcontroversal]

I wish you could come face to face with God instead of knowing Him through His word. And I so wish you could know all God's word.

Imagine telling God His laws are only to make you feel guilty. Or that His son wasn't from the beginning but came only in the body of Christ and Christ changed the nature and attributes of God. It changed, you could tell God, from a harsh time to a time of grace.

How God must feel grief when He looks at us.

Maybe wish that on yourself and why would you respond to me in this way based upon the truth in my post!! For the record your second paragraph....I teach or believe nothing of the sort....and we have come face to face with God dia the word which came to be flesh and dwelt among us!!!

 

[Blik]

Maybe wish that on yourself and why would you respond to me in this way based upon the truth in my post!! For the record your second paragraph....I teach or believe nothing of the sort....and we have come face to face with God dia the word which came to be flesh and dwelt among us!!!

You are honest and true, I get this from your post and there will come a day when you will see the time the Lord worked in our world before Christ a little differently. It is right there in our scripture, but it is so hard to see because the people God tells us through how they perceive Him lived in a different culture than we do. I had to study through the eyes of a man who spent eight years digging into the culture of OT scripture times, and with scripture.

God is just, loving, powerful, with God abilities to do perfectly, eternal and never changing from our creation to our end, absolutely dependable, ---I could go on and on. Jesus is a part of God, Jesus was at the beginning, the salvation plan was from the beginning, there is no different between God and Jesus. The salvation plan of God is also eternal, never changing nor has it changed. Jesus fulfilled the plan and now it stands in its full glory.

The big change was when the Holy Spirit was given to all with faith. People needed rituals to guide them to living for God before, they were not ready for the new covenant that was there. Now we are ready for the new covenant to be added to us, for we are ready to be guided by the spirit without needing rituals to guide us. But we must listen and study.

I like "I teach nothing of the sort". And that you come face to face with our Lord.

 

[Grandpa]

Perhaps you are under a curse through the law but I am not. I go to Christ and He forgives all my sins and freely hands me salvation.

Perhaps you have given up trying to keep the law because you are human and can't. I keep working at it and the very trying is joyful. The word happy just doesn't cut it, it is joy. You can gossip about my being a law breaker, it is fine with me. God keeps cleaning up my messes and God gives me blessings when I succeed so you haven't scared me off with your dire words. I am uplifted in the Lord.

That's the only way to keep it is to give up trying.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

If you continue working at the law you get this instead;

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

So you get a choice. You can choose to be blessed and made Righteous by faith in Christ.

Or you can choose to bless yourself with your own righteousness by obedience to the law.

Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

As you can see by almost all the Epistles written by Paul, working at the law is not a blessing.

 

[foolishone]

iF YOU KNOW THAT jESUS cHRIST EXPLAINS AND TEACHES HOW THE LAW IS YET TO BE FOLLOWED ACCORDIGN TO hIM WHY TO YOU SAY hE CONTRADICTED hIMSELF? sO YOU ARE gOD'S EDITOR? nO MY FRIEND, ALL THE LAWS THAT FULFILLW HAT jESUS SAYS IN DOING ARE YET TO BE observed……..The way you say it would be just fine to move your landmark in favor of yourself robbing your neighbor…...do not hear me, Hear Jesus, do not judge the Words of Jesus as you are doing but learn from HIm.

Ok I'll let you have the last ranting. You have lost the ability to make sense or discuss and it is also affecting your typing abilities. Shalom