Does God ever cancel covenant promises?

[gb9]

I gathered that very quickly. Law keepers have only the OT and maybe some of the 4 gospels as long as it agrees with their desire to hold unto the laws and traditions. In find it very sad.

I have been at this site for a long time, have been round and round with them many times. they think I do not like them, but that is not really true. I as you said, feel for them . if they do not come to fully trust Christ, they will be excluded from the Kingdom.

law keeping will not get one in.

 

[foolishone]

Read the following from ou Teacher, Jesus, Yeshua:

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I believe Jesus Christ, not men. Do not call the Savior a liar. No man is under the law who obeys Jesus Christ, and I choose Him, not flesh.ñ

You take one little piece of scripture, misunderstand it, do not compare to the whole word of God and do not let scripture interpret scripture. So sad.

 

[foolishone]

I have been at this site for a long time, have been round and round with them many times. they think I do not like them, but that is not really true. I as you said, feel for them . if they do not come to fully trust Christ, they will be excluded from the Kingdom.

law keeping will not get one in.

Well Paul gave it his best shot more than once. I have learned that only the Holy Spirit can reveal these things. I'll leave it in God's more than capable hands to bring in His flock.

 

[JaumeJ]

You take one little piece of scripture, misunderstand it, do not compare to the whole word of God and do not let scripture interpret scripture. So sad.

Had you read the previous posts you would have seen that I quoted more than just that line....but you responded to one of my own posts taht followed it without looking at the former posts....I read the etire Bible, and I read in it every day, several times a day, also I have read it in several languages.........damned if I do, damned if I do not, right?

 

[JaumeJ]

with your understandign it is quite alright to hate our eeny, to exact and eye for an eye, , to break any of the laws tha still remain in Love...…..wrong, Jesus teaches us otherwise…….

 

[Lillywolf]

To answer the OP question, no. (Article: The Difference between a covenant and a promise)

Numbers 23:19 God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

 

[Lillywolf]

How thoughtful these posts are. I don't see scripture backup for many beliefs presented, though.

I don't find scripture saying we are not under the old covenants, we are only under the new one.

I don't find that God does not see us as humans to be treated the same but one human a Jew and another a gentile. We are told he blessed the Hebrews that he created from gentiles with Abraham, but scripture states over and over that with God He sees people as ones who belong to Him through faith and people with no faith in God, He doesn't see humans as Jew/gentile. God doesn't make promises based on nationality.

Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him.

God is God, eternal and the same always. God is not new testament, old testament. A principle of God stated in the old testament is true of God without the limitations of time. As an example God requires innocent blood for forgiveness to be given. That is true from the time of Cain and Abel whose experiences show this to the time of Christ when He gave His innocent blood for our sins.

The phrase "under the law" seems to me to get pretty mixed up. If you are under the law you go to your behavior for salvation, if you are not under the law you go to Christ for salvation. It's meaning has nothing to do with obedience.
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There are many covenants in scripture. (Study LINK PDF)

Differences Between the Old and New Covenants
by Dr. Gary S. Linton | Updated February 27th, 2017
Covenants are conditional promises made to humanity by God. There are two distinct covenants mentioned in the Bible – the old (first) covenant and the new covenant. The following is an outline of the differences between the old and new covenants.
The Old Covenant
The first or old covenant was between a holy God and sinful man. Was there anything wrong with the first covenant? Of course not. “The Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good” (Romans 7:12). The problem was man’s inability to keep it. The failure was with man and not God. The covenant designed to result in life, resulted in death. Paul said, “And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death” (Romans 7:10). With the advent of the law 3,000 people died (Exodus 32:28).

The New Covenant
“Behold, days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them, declares the LORD. But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD, I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, Know the LORD, for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the LORD, for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more” (Jeremiah 31:31-34).

The old covenant revealed we needed something better. “Therefore the Law has become our tutor (schoolmaster) to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith” (Galatians 3:24). The new covenant is between the Father and the Son. God told Jesus if He would go to earth in the likeness of sinful flesh (Romans 8:3) and go to the cross for the sins of mankind (1 Peter 3:18), God would forgive the sins of anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior (John 1:12, Romans 4:4-5, Romans 5:1, Romans 10:13).

Why will this covenant succeed when the first one failed? Because the new one doesn’t depend on us. It’s a covenant between the Father and the Son. God lived up to the first contract, but we failed to live up to our part. In the new contract man is left out of the equation. Jesus lived up to the covenant by going to the cross in payment for our sins. God lived up to the covenant by forgiving and justifying all who put their faith in Jesus. “Being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus” (Romans 3:24). This one cannot fail because both parties involved lived up to their side of the contract. [MORE]

 

[Xethea]

There are many covenants in scripture. (Study LINK PDF)

Differences Between the Old and New Covenants
by Dr. Gary S. Linton | Updated February 27th, 2017
Covenants are conditional promises made to humanity by God. There are two distinct covenants mentioned in the Bible – the old (first) covenant and the new covenant. The following is an outline of the differences between the old and new covenants.
The Old Covenant
The first or old covenant was between a holy God and sinful man. Was there anything wrong with the first covenant? Of course not. “The Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good” (Romans 7:12). The problem was man’s inability to keep it. The failure was with man and not God. The covenant designed to result in life, resulted in death. Paul said, “And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death” (Romans 7:10). With the advent of the law 3,000 people died (Exodus 32:28).

The New Covenant
“Behold, days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them, declares the LORD. But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD, I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, Know the LORD, for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the LORD, for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more” (Jeremiah 31:31-34).

The old covenant revealed we needed something better. “Therefore the Law has become our tutor (schoolmaster) to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith” (Galatians 3:24). The new covenant is between the Father and the Son. God told Jesus if He would go to earth in the likeness of sinful flesh (Romans 8:3) and go to the cross for the sins of mankind (1 Peter 3:18), God would forgive the sins of anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior (John 1:12, Romans 4:4-5, Romans 5:1, Romans 10:13).

Why will this covenant succeed when the first one failed? Because the new one doesn’t depend on us. It’s a covenant between the Father and the Son. God lived up to the first contract, but we failed to live up to our part. In the new contract man is left out of the equation. Jesus lived up to the covenant by going to the cross in payment for our sins. God lived up to the covenant by forgiving and justifying all who put their faith in Jesus. “Being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus” (Romans 3:24). This one cannot fail because both parties involved lived up to their side of the contract. [MORE]

You don't ALWAYS need scripture to convince someone of truth. That just shows people won't trust you if they always need scripture. Not even for many years did humans have scripture to always go by about many things. When i tell someone "God loves you" or "God did this or that" Do others such as my spouse, child or friend always need to say "show me some scripture!" there are places in this world where you just have to believe, where the Bible is illegal to have and not sold and hard to get your hands on, but you have people telling you about God. Should those people just refuse because we don't have a paper form to convince them? The paper or the words isn't really what convinced me to believe, it's simply all things in life that go on that let me know God is real and made everything. You don't have to tell me a verse in the Bible. Even if I didn't read all of the Bible (which I have multiple times), people telling me things about Jesus I would know even without knowing all the scripture simply because I know how my Lord is. Then when we get into their scripture, they find I was right before I even knew every verse. That doesn't mean I know everything, and that doesn't mean we don't need scripture, I'm just saying scripture doesn't always have to be a priority to speak the truth about God though it is a valuable and helpful tool for it.

 

[Lillywolf]

You don't ALWAYS need scripture to convince someone of truth. That just shows people won't trust you if they always need scripture. Not even for many years did humans have scripture to always go by about many things. When i tell someone "God loves you" or "God did this or that" Do others such as my spouse, child or friend always need to say "show me some scripture!" there are places in this world where you just have to believe, where the Bible is illegal to have and not sold and hard to get your hands on, but you have people telling you about God. Should those people just refuse because we don't have a paper form to convince them? The paper or the words isn't really what convinced me to believe, it's simply all things in life that go on that let me know God is real and made everything. You don't have to tell me a verse in the Bible. Even if I didn't read all of the Bible (which I have multiple times), people telling me things about Jesus I would know even without knowing all the scripture simply because I know how my Lord is. Then when we get into their scripture, they find I was right before I even knew every verse. That doesn't mean I know everything, and that doesn't mean we don't need scripture, I'm just saying scripture doesn't always have to be a priority to speak the truth about God though it is a valuable and helpful tool for it.

And here you are in a BDF.

 

[Lillywolf]

"There is one God who is father of all, over all, through all and within all." Ephesians 4.6

"God is love, and anyone who lives in love, lives in God, and God in him."1 John 4.16


1 Chronicles 29:11
Thine, O LORD, is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all.

Psalms 46:10
Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth.

"We could say much more and still fall short; to put it concisely, "He is all." " Ecclesiasticus /Sirach 43.27

"Do I not fill heaven and earth? It is Yahweh who speaks." Jeremiah 23.24

 

[cv5]

with your understandign it is quite alright to hate our eeny, to exact and eye for an eye, , to break any of the laws tha still remain in Love...…..wrong, Jesus teaches us otherwise…….

I think you are missing something. Apostate Israel were hypocrites. In other words, they had no legitimate love for the True God whatsoever. No repentance. No good works. No good fruit from a good tree. And they were letterists…..keeping the letter of the law and dismissing the spirit.

Christians do not keep the law perfectly either. But their love of God is genuine, therefore they have been redeemed, therefore they are under the blood, therefore they are in a continual state of forgiveness.

BTW the matter of circumcision and keeping the Mosaic law was settled in Act ch 15.

 

[Lillywolf]

I think you are missing something. Apostate Israel were hypocrites. In other words, they had no legitimate love for the True God whatsoever. No repentance. No good works. No good fruit from a good tree. And they were letterists…..keeping the letter of the law and dismissing the spirit.

Christians do not keep the law perfectly either. But their love of God is genuine, therefore they have been redeemed, therefore they are under the blood, therefore they are in a continual state of forgiveness.

BTW the matter of circumcision and keeping the Mosaic law was settled in Act ch 15.

Maybe the Jews are still trying to come to spiritual grips in Monotheism, because their roots are polytheistic. Today's monotheism of the Jews originating in syncretism during captivity in Canaan and Babylon and subsequently those cultures polytheistic influences.

 

[foolishone]

with your understandign it is quite alright to hate our eeny, to exact and eye for an eye, , to break any of the laws tha still remain in Love...…..wrong, Jesus teaches us otherwise…….

I can see that Jesus took 3 examples from Gods law ( 10 commandments ) and expanded on them and then took 2 examples from the mosaic law and changed them. So with my understanding Jesus did a jot and tittle Himself of the Mosaic law because He is the giver and fulfiller of those laws. So He can. So no it is not alright to obey those 2 mosaic laws because Jesus right there changed them. That was just the beginning of the passing of the mosaic law. Did you catch that?
Glad to hear you read your bible I do too about twice a year front to back for the past 40 plus years. And I believe the whole bible is the Word of God and there are no errors or contradictions. Let scripture interpret scripture. Paul is clear we are not under the mosaic law. And scripture is clear God's commands ( 10 that He wrote with His finger ) still stand 'till heaven and earth pass away. Plus the new commandment that Jesus gave. Wonderful news !! In the New Heaven and Earth there will be no need of those commands either. Amen.
Sooooo I'm not going to continue with you on this because I have learned from experience that law keepers can waste many hours in my days never taking into account all the scripture. If you don't believe Paul then their is no way I'm can make you see. Shalom.

 

[Xethea]

And here you are in a BDF.

So many of you here are so insulting and hateful. there's no godly use for you to talk like that to anyone. That isn't love. and above all things, don't you remember the Lord said it would be greater to love? You have failed that here.

 

[Lillywolf]

with your understandign it is quite alright to hate our eeny, to exact and eye for an eye, , to break any of the laws tha still remain in Love...…..wrong, Jesus teaches us otherwise…….

Do you know that Jesus' teachings in that regard was command to us. While Jesus, being God, does not change. And as his word tells us, God dispatched his enemies. And often times he used humans to do it.
Do you love the one that rapes a daughter? If that victim be your daughter? Do you go to their trial and feel love?
Consider, that the scriptures tell us to discern the truth. If I were an enemy of the world being of a dictatorial conqueror's intention, would I be best served, and meet less resistance, if I told a believing people these words I allow inscribed and that become legal to teach tell them to love me and my armies as we venture forth and through them?
If I take their lands, and their people as slaves, does it hearken unto their remembrance of those teachings that they are to give me not only the purse I stole, but offer their cloak also? That they be chilled in the winter due to believing in giving charity to the thief that sought all they possessed.

We search the scriptures for evidences of God almighty and yet when we find him we do not recognize all truth for that which seeks to distract us otherwise.
When God does not change, how are we to believe we are to love that one that puts a knife through our heart. Or that of our spouse? Or sets fire to our only home during a blizzard in January.
Did God love the Midianites? The first born of Egypt? The Egyptians themselves who were devastated by the plagues meant to assault their pantheon and show their artificial god's and goddesses impotent.
In the Old Testament there were a number of crimes that were found worthy of death by God and his law.

Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.
— Genesis 9:6 (ESV)

Exploiting love so that evil may flourish is not God's word. God created us in the image of the eternal spirit that is God. God! Not a doormat.

 

[Lillywolf]

So many of you here are so insulting and hateful. there's no godly use for you to talk like that to anyone. That isn't love. and above all things, don't you remember the Lord said it would be greater to love? You have failed that here.

I have failed nothing.
You misunderstand me. I simply read your post and made the observation that you are here in a forum that discusses the Bible you described.

You are right though. There are many here who are hateful. And while my posting was not so, I believe you shall encounter them if you prick their attentions using scripture they disagree with most vehemently.
Blessings.

 

[Xethea]

Do you know that Jesus' teachings in that regard was command to us. While Jesus, being God, does not change. And as his word tells us, God dispatched his enemies. And often times he used humans to do it.
Do you love the one that rapes a daughter? If that victim be your daughter? Do you go to their trial and feel love?
Consider, that the scriptures tell us to discern the truth. If I were an enemy of the world being of a dictatorial conqueror's intention, would I be best served, and meet less resistance, if I told a believing people these words I allow inscribed and that become legal to teach tell them to love me and my armies as we venture forth and through them?
If I take their lands, and their people as slaves, does it hearken unto their remembrance of those teachings that they are to give me not only the purse I stole, but offer their cloak also? That they be chilled in the winter due to believing in giving charity to the thief that sought all they possessed.

We search the scriptures for evidences of God almighty and yet when we find him we do not recognize all truth for that which seeks to distract us otherwise.
When God does not change, how are we to believe we are to love that one that puts a knife through our heart. Or that of our spouse? Or sets fire to our only home during a blizzard in January.
Did God love the Midianites? The first born of Egypt? The Egyptians themselves who were devastated by the plagues meant to assault their pantheon and show their artificial god's and goddesses impotent.
In the Old Testament there were a number of crimes that were found worthy of death by God and his law.

Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.
— Genesis 9:6 (ESV)

Exploiting love so that evil may flourish is not God's word. God created us in the image of the eternal spirit that is God. God! Not a doormat.

Yeah, I would love them. Because God taught me to love unconditionally, to love like he does.

 

[Xethea]

I have failed nothing.
You misunderstand me. I simply read your post and made the observation that you are here in a forum that discusses the Bible you described.

I was beginning to debate if I misunderstood you. In a way, in can sound like an insult. Like, "and here you are, A-hole." that is the idea how I received it. I have seen BDF mean something bad. Other than it's bad meaning, I don't know what it would refer to.

I apologize for misunderstanding you then.

 

[Lillywolf]

Yeah, I would love them. Because God taught me to love unconditionally, to love like he does.

We shall see if your proof (posts) is in the pudding. You failed in your reply post 54. Judgment and protracted judgment from your imaginings creating harsh rebuff against that which I never said nor intentioned.
I forgive you.
Blessings.

 

[Lillywolf]

I was beginning to debate if I misunderstood you. In a way, in can sound like an insult. Like, "and here you are, A-hole." that is the idea how I received it. I have seen BDF mean something bad. Other than it's bad meaning, I don't know what it would refer to.

I apologize for misunderstanding you then.

Peace between us.