Doctrine of Unconditional Election

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Can you prove from the Bible that election is to salvation? Or that salvation is unconditional, meaning that man does NOTHING to be saved?

You call scripture truth calvinism and scoff at it,

OK, I will take your response as "no I can't prove from the Bible that election is to salvation".

Which, of course, is rather obvious. All you've been doing is repeat your opinions.

Truth ALWAYS has an answer (not an opinion). It is the opinions that can't answer or defend itself. Need facts and evidence.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
How come you have NEVER proven this statement? If it were true, there would be at least one verse that plainly says so.

But there isn't. In fact, there are a number of verses that specifically say He died for all or everyone.

The red verses clearly show that Christ died for everyone, or the verses couldn't be true.

You scoff and call scripture testimony calvinsm, call it a mans teaching.

No, bf52. I don't scoff at Scripture, as you opine in gross error. I provide verses that SAY what I believe. Which is WHY I believe it.

Mark 16:15: preach the Gospel to every creature. If Calvin was right, this makes no sense.

John 6:40 For this is the will of the Father, that everyone (pas) who beholds and believes on the Son may have eternal life.

John 6:29 and Jesus answered and said unto them, this is the work (ergon) of God, that you believe on Him whom He hath sent. ‘ergon’ means deed, labor, work

John 12:32 But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself."

John 1:7 He (John the Baptist) came for a witness, that he might bear witness of the Light (Christ), that all (pas) might believe through him.

John 1:29 Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world. That's everyone in humanity.

John 3:16, 17 For God so loved the world, that He gave His uniquely born Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. (17) …not to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through Him.

John 4:42 This One is indeed the Savior of the world.

John 17:21 that they may all be one, even as thou, Father, art in Me, and I in thee, that they also may be in Us: that the world may believe that Thou didst send Me.

John 20:31 but these have been written (in order) that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His Name. (goal of John’s Gospel)

Luke 9:55-56
55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, "You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. 56 For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives but to save them." And they went to another village.

Acts 17:27 God did this (created mankind) so that men would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. (see also Heb 11:6 regarding mankind having the ability to look for God, in contrast to point 1 of Calvinism)

Acts 17:30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now He commands all (pas) people everywhere to repent. See also 2 Pet 3:9

Rom 5:6 In due time, when we were without strength, Christ died for the ungodly (that’s every human), not just the “elect” per point 3 of Calvinism. Consider Rom 3:23 ‘for ALL have sinned, and come short’

Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Rom 5:18 Consequently, just as the result of one trespass (Adam’s Fall) was condemnation for all (pas) men, so also the result of one act of righteousness (Cross) was justification that brings life for all (pas) men. [Adam’s fall affects the entire human race, and Christ’s atonement also affects the entire human race]

Rom 11:32 For God has bound all (pas) men over to disobedience, so that He may have mercy on them all (pas). Cf: Rom 3:23, 6:23, Rom 5:6,8 All humans are sinful and Christ died for all of them.

Rom 3:23 For all (pas) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Luke 19:10 "For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost." In 5 point Calvinism, elect aren’t really “lost” since they were elected, so just what does this verse mean? Obviously, the entire human race is lost and is in need of a Savior. So the Son of Man came to seek and save the entire human race.

2 Cor 5:14,15 For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. And He died for all (pas), that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for Him who died for them and was raised again.

2 Cor 5:19 that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone (pas).

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all (pas) men.

1 Tim 1:15 - Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners-of whom I am the worst. See Rom 3:23, 6:23 salvation is potential for all humanity!

*** 1 Tim 2:3,4 This is good and pleases God our Savior, who wants all (pas) men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth (Christ-Jn 14:6, Jn 8:32, 12:32) Note the potential: Christ wants all men to be saved. The concept of limited atonement just doesn’t fly in light of this verse.

1 Tim 2:6 Who gave Himself as a ransom for all (pas) men, the testimony given in its proper time.

*** 1 Tim 4:10 (and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all (pas) men, and especially (malista) of those who believe.
Malista: chiefly, most of all, specially

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, (has not predetermined that) but everyone (pas) to come to repentance.

*** 1 John 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole (holos) world. Holos: all, all together, every whit, throughout, whole

Rev 22:17 Whosoever wishes, (let him) take the water of life freely. [eternal life is a free gift] and it is potential; in other words, man has free will to believe or reject God’s promise of eternal life through Christ.

***1 John 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent His Son to be the Savior of the world.

Notice exactly WHO has been bought by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ:

1 Cor 7:23: You were bought with a price; do not become slaves of men. [believers]

2 Pet 2:1: But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. [unbelievers]

The Greek word for “bought” is the same in both verses, ‘agorazo’

 

[justpassinthrough]

He is propitiation for the world to come, not this current world. This world is to be destroyed.

This would be just another example of adding to the scripture, and thus twisting it to make it fit your unscriptural narrative.


And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:2



Notice that the phrase “the world to come” is not stated, quite the opposite.

By saying “our sins” he is referring to those who are saved.

By saying “not ours only but also for the whole world”, it’s clear he is referring to those who are not saved.



Please repent of twisting the scriptures, as nothing good will come from it.







JPT

 

[justpassinthrough]

Again Christs blood was shed only for His elect, chosen from among the whole world.

And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:2


By saying “our sins” he is referring to those who are saved.

By saying “not ours only but also for the whole world”, it’s clear he is referring to those who are not saved.


I know how desperate you are to try and make this passage say what fit’s your unbiblical narrative, but all you are doing is exposing your error.



For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16




Please explain for us who is excluded from the phrase the whole world.








JLB

 

[brightfame52]

Why don't you quit repeating yourself and just listen to the evidence?

Did you read my post on TULIP? Or were you afraid to?

If your claim about were true, you would have a verse that says so. But all you do is repeat your opinion. No Scripture at all.

I, otoh, have given you verses that clearly tell us the purpose of election.

1 Cor 1-
27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.
28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are,

Red words are what God has CHOSEN. Blue words are the purpose for which God CHOSE them. Nothing about salvation.

1 Peter 1-
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia,
2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

Again, the red words indicate who is CHOSEN. Blue words indicate the purpose of being CHOSEN.

Now, if CAN quote a verse that shows election is to salvation, please quote it.

However, if you CANNOT quote a verse that shows election is to salvation, please QUIT saying it.

I dont have anything against scripture, you do, by scoffing it calling it calvinism.

 

[brightfame52]

FreeGrace2 said:
I showed that the verses you have given don't teach truth, but calvinism. See my previous post which refutes TULIP.

The problem here, bf52, is that you just don't like what I post.

When will you use the truth against me and refute my explanations of TULIP with Scripture?

The reason is clear: there aren't any verses that will refute my explanations, that's why.

All you've been giving are your opinions. Which is fine, but you certainly can't convince anyone by opinions. You need evidence.

I have provided that evidence but you resist and reject it.

You reject scripture truth about unconditional election and scoffingly call it calvinism, after a man !

 

[brightfame52]

FreeGrace2 said:
How come you have NEVER proven this statement? If it were true, there would be at least one verse that plainly says so.

But there isn't. In fact, there are a number of verses that specifically say He died for all or everyone.

The red verses clearly show that Christ died for everyone, or the verses couldn't be true.


No, bf52. I don't scoff at Scripture, as you opine in gross error. I provide verses that SAY what I believe. Which is WHY I believe it.

Mark 16:15: preach the Gospel to every creature. If Calvin was right, this makes no sense.

John 6:40 For this is the will of the Father, that everyone (pas) who beholds and believes on the Son may have eternal life.

John 6:29 and Jesus answered and said unto them, this is the work (ergon) of God, that you believe on Him whom He hath sent. ‘ergon’ means deed, labor, work

John 12:32 But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself."

John 1:7 He (John the Baptist) came for a witness, that he might bear witness of the Light (Christ), that all (pas) might believe through him.

John 1:29 Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world. That's everyone in humanity.

John 3:16, 17 For God so loved the world, that He gave His uniquely born Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. (17) …not to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through Him.

John 4:42 This One is indeed the Savior of the world.

John 17:21 that they may all be one, even as thou, Father, art in Me, and I in thee, that they also may be in Us: that the world may believe that Thou didst send Me.

John 20:31 but these have been written (in order) that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His Name. (goal of John’s Gospel)

Luke 9:55-56
55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, "You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. 56 For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives but to save them." And they went to another village.

Acts 17:27 God did this (created mankind) so that men would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. (see also Heb 11:6 regarding mankind having the ability to look for God, in contrast to point 1 of Calvinism)

Acts 17:30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now He commands all (pas) people everywhere to repent. See also 2 Pet 3:9

Rom 5:6 In due time, when we were without strength, Christ died for the ungodly (that’s every human), not just the “elect” per point 3 of Calvinism. Consider Rom 3:23 ‘for ALL have sinned, and come short’

Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Rom 5:18 Consequently, just as the result of one trespass (Adam’s Fall) was condemnation for all (pas) men, so also the result of one act of righteousness (Cross) was justification that brings life for all (pas) men. [Adam’s fall affects the entire human race, and Christ’s atonement also affects the entire human race]

Rom 11:32 For God has bound all (pas) men over to disobedience, so that He may have mercy on them all (pas). Cf: Rom 3:23, 6:23, Rom 5:6,8 All humans are sinful and Christ died for all of them.

Rom 3:23 For all (pas) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Luke 19:10 "For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost." In 5 point Calvinism, elect aren’t really “lost” since they were elected, so just what does this verse mean? Obviously, the entire human race is lost and is in need of a Savior. So the Son of Man came to seek and save the entire human race.

2 Cor 5:14,15 For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. And He died for all (pas), that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for Him who died for them and was raised again.

2 Cor 5:19 that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone (pas).

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all (pas) men.

1 Tim 1:15 - Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners-of whom I am the worst. See Rom 3:23, 6:23 salvation is potential for all humanity!

*** 1 Tim 2:3,4 This is good and pleases God our Savior, who wants all (pas) men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth (Christ-Jn 14:6, Jn 8:32, 12:32) Note the potential: Christ wants all men to be saved. The concept of limited atonement just doesn’t fly in light of this verse.

1 Tim 2:6 Who gave Himself as a ransom for all (pas) men, the testimony given in its proper time.

*** 1 Tim 4:10 (and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all (pas) men, and especially (malista) of those who believe.
Malista: chiefly, most of all, specially

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, (has not predetermined that) but everyone (pas) to come to repentance.

*** 1 John 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole (holos) world. Holos: all, all together, every whit, throughout, whole

Rev 22:17 Whosoever wishes, (let him) take the water of life freely. [eternal life is a free gift] and it is potential; in other words, man has free will to believe or reject God’s promise of eternal life through Christ.

***1 John 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent His Son to be the Savior of the world.

Notice exactly WHO has been bought by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ:

1 Cor 7:23: You were bought with a price; do not become slaves of men. [believers]

2 Pet 2:1: But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. [unbelievers]

The Greek word for “bought” is the same in both verses, ‘agorazo’

I have no roblem with those verses. Its you who scoff scripture that proves unconditional election to salvation.

 

[brightfame52]

And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:2


By saying “our sins” he is referring to those who are saved.

By saying “not ours only but also for the whole world”, it’s clear he is referring to those who are not saved.


I know how desperate you are to try and make this passage say what fit’s your unbiblical narrative, but all you are doing is exposing your error.



For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16




Please explain for us who is excluded from the phrase the whole world.








JLB

Those verses speak of Gods elect from among the jews and gentiles.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I dont have anything against scripture, you do, by scoffing it calling it calvinism.

No, I've NEVER called Scripture "calvinism". Ever.

It is the calvinists who think their views are Scriptural.

If you have a problem with my take on TULIP, why don't you address each of the points and prove to me that I am wrong by quoting Scripture that clearly says differently than I have stated.

If you can't do that, then what I have posts stands.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You reject scripture truth about unconditional election and scoffingly call it calvinism, after a man !

Here is the problem of calvinism. The "U" in TULIP.

Calvinism claims election is to salvation. I have shown from Scripture that it is to service. No calvinist has a verse showing that election is to salvation.

Further, even if election were to savlation, it CERTAINLY IS conditional. Salvation is conditioned upon FAITH in Christ.

John 3:15,16, 5:24, 6:40, Acts 16:31 and many more.

This proves that calvinism is WRONG about the "U" in TULIP. And I have done that with ALL the letters.

Please revisit my explanation on TULIP and show me my error.

And please stop saying that I call Scripture "calvinism". The opposite is true. Calvinism calls their views as Scripture.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
How come you have NEVER proven this statement? If it were true, there would be at least one verse that plainly says so.

But there isn't. In fact, there are a number of verses that specifically say He died for all or everyone.

The red verses clearly show that Christ died for everyone, or the verses couldn't be true.

I have no roblem with those verses.

Then you are just quite confused. I showed from many Scriptures that Christ died for everyone, yet you, like most calvinists, claim that Christ only died for the "elect".

You can't have it both ways. Unless you are confused beyond belief.

Its you who scoff scripture that proves unconditional election to salvation.

Please show me ANY verse that proves that unconditional election is to salvation.

I just proved that salvation is conditioned upon faith in Christ. Did you read any of the verses I quoted? Do you understand any of the verses I quoted?

Or are you just a broken record, repeating your mantra over and over?

You've shown NO verse that clearly shows election is to salvation. And I've quoted many verses that show election is to service, including even Judas, an unbeliever. John 6:70,71.

 

[FreeGrace2]

And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:2


By saying “our sins” he is referring to those who are saved.

By saying “not ours only but also for the whole world”, it’s clear he is referring to those who are not saved.


I know how desperate you are to try and make this passage say what fit’s your unbiblical narrative, but all you are doing is exposing your error.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Those verses speak of Gods elect from among the jews and gentiles.

Then prove it from the context.

Which, of course, you can't. Because there is NO context even speaking about "the elect".

jpt explained who "our sins" refers to and who "the sins of the whole world" refers to.

So, since you disagree, please prove it with Scripture.

 

[rogerg]

This would be just another example of adding to the scripture, and thus twisting it to make it fit your unscriptural narrative.


And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:2



Notice that the phrase “the world to come” is not stated, quite the opposite.

By saying “our sins” he is referring to those who are saved.

By saying “not ours only but also for the whole world”, it’s clear he is referring to those who are not saved.



Please repent of twisting the scriptures, as nothing good will come from it.

Nothing for me to "repent" for. I substantiate my statement with the below.

Maybe it's you who doesn't understand and should repent? Christ cannot be the propitiation for this world and yet destroy it. If He was its propitiation, its destruction would not be possible - there can be no doubt or debate about that. That it will be destroyed is certain and means this world (which became cursed when Adam and Eve transgressed God's command) and those unsaved who have inhabited it, are all under God's wrath. Only those saved, and the world to come are not under His wrath.
However, I think I do agree that by "our sins", He means only the sins of those saved and those who will be save.

Your interpretation is what someone incorrectly comes to should they read verses standalone and don't follow the biblical admonition of comparing the spiritual with the spiritual and that no verse of prophecy is of any private interpretation. Read the below verses and think about them carefully.

Christ tells us His kingdom is NOT of this world so it can't be this world that "God so loved"

[Jhn 18:36 KJV]
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

He tells us He doesn't pray for this world:

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. ...
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. ...


He tells us that righteousness will dwell in the new heavens and earth, not in the current; by that informing that (or c righteousness cannot dwell in this world.

[2Pe 3:13 KJV] 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

He tells us this current world will "melt with fervent heat" and that "all these things will be dissolved"

[2Pe 3:10-12 KJV]
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

He tells us that those who don't understand this, biblically speaking, are unlearned, unstable, and wrest with the Bible unto their own destruction.

[2Pe 3:13, 16-17 KJV]
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. ...
16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

 

[rogerg]

Please post the scripture you are referring to.

What do you mean? That question pertained to YOUR doctrine, not mine. I was asking you, if as YOU say, someone has to hear, believe and accept in order to be saved, what happens for salvation to those who are infirm, young, too old etc, if they can't do those things you stated - how do they become saved, or can they be? My doctrine is totally different from yours, and the question doesn't apply because I believe, that God takes it upon Himself to save each and every person whom He has chosen for such

 

[brightfame52]

No, I've NEVER called Scripture "calvinism". Ever.

It is the calvinists who think their views are Scriptural.

If you have a problem with my take on TULIP, why don't you address each of the points and prove to me that I am wrong by quoting Scripture that clearly says differently than I have stated.

If you can't do that, then what I have posts stands.

Yes you have, you just think you havent.

 

[brightfame52]

Here is the problem of calvinism. The "U" in TULIP.

Calvinism claims election is to salvation. I have shown from Scripture that it is to service. No calvinist has a verse showing that election is to salvation.

Further, even if election were to savlation, it CERTAINLY IS conditional. Salvation is conditioned upon FAITH in Christ.

John 3:15,16, 5:24, 6:40, Acts 16:31 and many more.

This proves that calvinism is WRONG about the "U" in TULIP. And I have done that with ALL the letters.

Please revisit my explanation on TULIP and show me my error.

And please stop saying that I call Scripture "calvinism". The opposite is true. Calvinism calls their views as Scripture.

There is no problem with unconditional election, its Gods Truth. You call it by the name of a man, thats scoffing. The doctrine is seen in scripture before calvin was even thought about.

 

[brightfame52]

And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:2


By saying “our sins” he is referring to those who are saved.

By saying “not ours only but also for the whole world”, it’s clear he is referring to those who are not saved.


I know how desperate you are to try and make this passage say what fit’s your unbiblical narrative, but all you are doing is exposing your error.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16


Then prove it from the context.

Which, of course, you can't. Because there is NO context even speaking about "the elect".

jpt explained who "our sins" refers to and who "the sins of the whole world" refers to.

So, since you disagree, please prove it with Scripture.

Those verses are about the elect, jew and gentile.

 

[FreeGrace2]

There is no problem with unconditional election, its Gods Truth.

I agree. But the calvinistic explanation is WRONG. You can only disagree with me, but you HAVE NOT, because you CANNOT show any verses showing that election is to salvation.

You call it by the name of a man, thats scoffing.

Oh, you can just stop this childishness. Calvinism just doesn't understand the biblical doctrine of election.

The doctrine is seen in scripture before calvin was even thought about.

Then show me please. Find a verse that proves calvinism is right.

If you can't do that, why do you believe it?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Those verses are about the elect, jew and gentile.

Instead of just repeating your opinions, PROVE them by exegeting 1 John 2:2.

 

[rogerg]

Exactly, and please explain how a person can trust Christ whom he doesn’t believe.


Maybe you can answer my question that I have asked you many times in different forums.

• How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed?
• And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard?
• And how shall they hear without a preacher? Romans 10:14

Consider it responded to

They call on Him because they have, as a result of having become born again, received faith as a fruit of the Spirit.
In conjunction with that, and at a time of God's choosing, He makes the Gospel's message available to and known in their hearts.
There are many kinds of preachers. Anyone who proclaims the true Gospel is a "preacher". Through any of them - to include the reading of the Bible itself --their faith grows
Their faith was not a prerequisite to their obtaining salvation but comes about as an after effect of it.
Their faith is from, and by, Christ's faith. If truly saved, this continues throughout their lifetime

Okay, now that I've answered your questions, you tell me this: how can they hear whom they have not believed?

[1Co 2:14 KJV] 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.