do you agree with this comment is it Biblical or not?
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1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us; )
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us; )
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
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Jesus told them to search the scriptures for they are they which testify of me....when he said that the N.T. had not been written yet.
Abraham told the rich man that was burning in hell to let his 5 brothers hear the law and the prophets to keep them from coming to this place....Again when this was stated by JESUS the N.T. had not been written yet
ALSO the bible clearly states that Christ is written in or found in the VOLUME of the book......
Though more difficult to see and partially hidden from view, GRACE is found woven through the O.T. and even JOB (some say oldest book) had an understanding of his redeemer and the resurrection from the dead.
Abraham told the rich man that was burning in hell to let his 5 brothers hear the law and the prophets to keep them from coming to this place....Again when this was stated by JESUS the N.T. had not been written yet
ALSO the bible clearly states that Christ is written in or found in the VOLUME of the book......
Though more difficult to see and partially hidden from view, GRACE is found woven through the O.T. and even JOB (some say oldest book) had an understanding of his redeemer and the resurrection from the dead.
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all good responses. let me try to bring it clearly from the point of the question I have asked. I hope I can do so.
The question: "is it true that The apostles had only the OT from which to preach Christ? "
The answer is no.
The Apostles did not only have the OT from which to preach Christ.
They were taught by Jesus for three and a half years. They had the words of Jesus. They did not walk around with a New Testament under their arms going to city and town.
They were Eyewitnesses of the Resurrected Lord.
They had a Testimony John 3:33 "He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. "
and John 21:24 "This is the disciple which testifieth of these things and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. "
1cor 1:6 "Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: ".
They had the Holy Spirit who brought into their remembrance all that Jesus had said :
John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
and they had the Prophetic Writings of the coming Messiah Isaiah 7:14 and 53
The Apostles also had signs and wonders which confirmed their words:
Mark 16:20 " And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
The Apostles had
1. the word of God the OT
2. The Power of the Holy Spirit
3. Eyewitnesses to the Death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ
4. They were taught by Jesus
5. they had a testimony
The question: "is it true that The apostles had only the OT from which to preach Christ? "
The answer is no.
The Apostles did not only have the OT from which to preach Christ.
They were taught by Jesus for three and a half years. They had the words of Jesus. They did not walk around with a New Testament under their arms going to city and town.
They were Eyewitnesses of the Resurrected Lord.
They had a Testimony John 3:33 "He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. "
and John 21:24 "This is the disciple which testifieth of these things and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. "
1cor 1:6 "Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: ".
They had the Holy Spirit who brought into their remembrance all that Jesus had said :
John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
and they had the Prophetic Writings of the coming Messiah Isaiah 7:14 and 53
The Apostles also had signs and wonders which confirmed their words:
Mark 16:20 " And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
The Apostles had
1. the word of God the OT
2. The Power of the Holy Spirit
3. Eyewitnesses to the Death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ
4. They were taught by Jesus
5. they had a testimony
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Although the old scriptures were perfect, there are these new covenant admissions.
John 12:40 (KJV)
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Romans 11:7 (KJV)
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
2 Corinthians 3:14 (KJV)
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV)
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
God provided all the Jews needed, yet they didn't believe. The New Testament offers "The rest of the story", that they then have no more excuse not to believe on the Lord Jesus. The perfection of revelation was there all the time, to this day.
As an employer I learned it ought not be vital for a worker to understand perfectly why asked to perform a task. The issue is obedience and loyalty. Get r done. The Jews didn't, letting religion and personal interpretations interfere.
When understanding comes by way of the Holy Spirit, confusion can't reign.
John 12:40 (KJV)
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Romans 11:7 (KJV)
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
2 Corinthians 3:14 (KJV)
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV)
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
God provided all the Jews needed, yet they didn't believe. The New Testament offers "The rest of the story", that they then have no more excuse not to believe on the Lord Jesus. The perfection of revelation was there all the time, to this day.
As an employer I learned it ought not be vital for a worker to understand perfectly why asked to perform a task. The issue is obedience and loyalty. Get r done. The Jews didn't, letting religion and personal interpretations interfere.
When understanding comes by way of the Holy Spirit, confusion can't reign.
We only have the teachings that are recorded in scripture. But the apostles in their day-to-day life with Jesus will have had much more. Remember when Jesus was only 12 years old, people who knew the Old Testament inside out were astounded at his teaching. I feel what we have in the epistles is only the tip of the iceberg so to speak and the learning of the apostles will go much deeper than anything we know.
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Is it possible that the statement is talking about the sacrifice? God stated over and over again that he did not desire the blood of bulls and Rams.
Jesus came to fulfill the law of the prophets, throughout the old testament the chief cornerstone was missing the Christ himself.
The father looking for that perfect sacrifice to not only cover but to destroy sins hold. To fulfill all of God's desire for mankind.
Although rejected by the Jewish leaders Jesus fulfilled all that was required not for himself but for all who believe.
All things had now become new. The old had passed away.
Just as God had breathed life into Adam on his creation day Jesus breathed life by giving his as Ransom for many.
The perfecting of the saints could now be achieved by the sacrifice of Christ. Giving mankind the promise of rebirth and a everlasting salvation.
Although God's grace has always been with man since the beginning the time of works has been accomplished. Therefore we rest along with God in his work of redemption.
Jesus came to fulfill the law of the prophets, throughout the old testament the chief cornerstone was missing the Christ himself.
The father looking for that perfect sacrifice to not only cover but to destroy sins hold. To fulfill all of God's desire for mankind.
Although rejected by the Jewish leaders Jesus fulfilled all that was required not for himself but for all who believe.
All things had now become new. The old had passed away.
Just as God had breathed life into Adam on his creation day Jesus breathed life by giving his as Ransom for many.
The perfecting of the saints could now be achieved by the sacrifice of Christ. Giving mankind the promise of rebirth and a everlasting salvation.
Although God's grace has always been with man since the beginning the time of works has been accomplished. Therefore we rest along with God in his work of redemption.
Well Jesus was right there with them in person so no.
Plus he gave them the holy spirit who gave them the words to say.
OT scripture was just confirming what Jesus said, since it was prophesised. Of course God got eyewitnesses to write down the miracles of Jesus so that people would believe and the world would know. Why write things down well so we have a record of it.
Even Jesus said to John to write down everything he showed him. As testimony. John couldnt write down every single thing Jesus did but he got the gist of it. The world itself cannot contain all the books that should be written. See JOhn 21:25
Plus he gave them the holy spirit who gave them the words to say.
OT scripture was just confirming what Jesus said, since it was prophesised. Of course God got eyewitnesses to write down the miracles of Jesus so that people would believe and the world would know. Why write things down well so we have a record of it.
Even Jesus said to John to write down everything he showed him. As testimony. John couldnt write down every single thing Jesus did but he got the gist of it. The world itself cannot contain all the books that should be written. See JOhn 21:25
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This thread really shines a light on the fallacy of cessationism.
Since the earliest of the early church had the epistles, and the Gospel,and they themselves "wrote" acts through their testimony, what the heck are THEY doing operating in what should have ceased.
If only there was time travel to go back and show them that Holy Spirit power and gifts were totally unnecessary.
Well,since revelation came along late,maybe God gave em a teaser,just to show us what we are missing.
Wow,cessationists,in a sense,have actually re written the bible.
Bottom line. We are right both in word and testimony.
2 that bear witness. Spirit and truth.
It is impossible that power ceased.
If anything it increases.
That law of increase is from heaven.
It is UNCHANGEABLE.
ELIJAH++ELISHA
The exponent from God is increase.
Jesus; "greater works shall you do..."
ELIJAH++ELISHA
Greater power. The gospel preached with signs and wonders.
Since the earliest of the early church had the epistles, and the Gospel,and they themselves "wrote" acts through their testimony, what the heck are THEY doing operating in what should have ceased.
If only there was time travel to go back and show them that Holy Spirit power and gifts were totally unnecessary.
Well,since revelation came along late,maybe God gave em a teaser,just to show us what we are missing.
Wow,cessationists,in a sense,have actually re written the bible.
Bottom line. We are right both in word and testimony.
2 that bear witness. Spirit and truth.
It is impossible that power ceased.
If anything it increases.
That law of increase is from heaven.
It is UNCHANGEABLE.
ELIJAH++ELISHA
The exponent from God is increase.
Jesus; "greater works shall you do..."
ELIJAH++ELISHA
Greater power. The gospel preached with signs and wonders.
Miracles prove Jesus is not dead. He is alive.
He is out of the tomb.
If he is alive,then the same miracles he did before he died are still being done right along with the gospel preached.
Jesus received the Holy Spirit in power after his baptism.
I had the same experience.
Biblical and authenticated by the word of God
He is out of the tomb.
If he is alive,then the same miracles he did before he died are still being done right along with the gospel preached.
Jesus received the Holy Spirit in power after his baptism.
I had the same experience.
Biblical and authenticated by the word of God