Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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A lotta times? That's precisely what happens here in the BDF!
Like some "verballistic centrifuge" for profane and vainful babblings.
1 Timothy 6
20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
2 Timothy 2
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
Having said that? Shucking that "like water off a duck's back?" Would be like "preparing a table before me. In the PRESCENCE of mine enemies!"
ALL one can do? Yea, all we are supposed to do? Is keep on keeping on!
Can't force 'em to believe it! Just keep "puttin' it out there!"
Showin' there is more to God's Word, then is, and has been traditionally taught. But? The "answer/s" does not come from without! It comes from within!
Even Paul knew this! And, he knew that it was "above his paygrade" to "make the call", as to who, or even how much to teach concerning the "high calling/s of God", in Christ!
For you see? Some people are still practicing the Old Covenant way of "representation before God," inasmuch as they "cling" to denominationalism/s teachings!
PART of the New Covenant, was in the "taking away" of "Corporate Representation", replacing it with INDIVIDUAL Representation!
Like some "verballistic centrifuge" for profane and vainful babblings.
1 Timothy 6
20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
2 Timothy 2
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
Having said that? Shucking that "like water off a duck's back?" Would be like "preparing a table before me. In the PRESCENCE of mine enemies!"
ALL one can do? Yea, all we are supposed to do? Is keep on keeping on!
Can't force 'em to believe it! Just keep "puttin' it out there!"
Showin' there is more to God's Word, then is, and has been traditionally taught. But? The "answer/s" does not come from without! It comes from within!
Even Paul knew this! And, he knew that it was "above his paygrade" to "make the call", as to who, or even how much to teach concerning the "high calling/s of God", in Christ!
For you see? Some people are still practicing the Old Covenant way of "representation before God," inasmuch as they "cling" to denominationalism/s teachings!
PART of the New Covenant, was in the "taking away" of "Corporate Representation", replacing it with INDIVIDUAL Representation!
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I wish I could write like you, and maybe someday.
I don't mind THEM feeling that way, throw it out, get rid of it, that is their choice and they will stand before God giving an account of what they deemed no longer relevant and what they deemed relevant. I just cant stand them "teaching" that way. How many "newly" come to the Lord souls, having never read it decide they are never going open the OT because it doesn't apply to them anyway? Do they sell "just the New Testament"? They are being robbed right before our very eyes.
How do you justify throwing out just the first 5 books considered "law". How do you build upon something that you have stripped of its foundation?
Rev 15 written to the very host of Heaven
Revelation 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
Revelation 15:3 And they sing "THE SONG OF MOSES" the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
Song of Moses?? Deuteronomy 32?? Uh-oh.
Revelation 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
Revelation 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
Revelation 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
Revelation 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
Revelation 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.[/QUOTE]
Think of it like this! They cannot, be reached! And, I also agree, they throw out "quite the distraction/s", for those who are seeking more!
This is because they can only see works produced by faith as one's striving in gaining, or maintaining salvation. and, not the "springboard" it is in the sanctification process!
Does this mean they are not saved? NO!
Does this mean they are more like "blind shepherds" in a ditch?
When they teach "Why work so HARD?" "Yer ALREADY saved!" "Isn't that good enough?!!?"
Tis really sad, when ya thinks about it. They have "the clock!" and, yet? Cannot tell ya what time it is!
I don't mind THEM feeling that way, throw it out, get rid of it, that is their choice and they will stand before God giving an account of what they deemed no longer relevant and what they deemed relevant. I just cant stand them "teaching" that way. How many "newly" come to the Lord souls, having never read it decide they are never going open the OT because it doesn't apply to them anyway? Do they sell "just the New Testament"? They are being robbed right before our very eyes.
How do you justify throwing out just the first 5 books considered "law". How do you build upon something that you have stripped of its foundation?
Rev 15 written to the very host of Heaven
Revelation 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
Revelation 15:3 And they sing "THE SONG OF MOSES" the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
Song of Moses?? Deuteronomy 32?? Uh-oh.
Revelation 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
Revelation 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
Revelation 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
Revelation 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
Revelation 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.[/QUOTE]
Think of it like this! They cannot, be reached! And, I also agree, they throw out "quite the distraction/s", for those who are seeking more!
This is because they can only see works produced by faith as one's striving in gaining, or maintaining salvation. and, not the "springboard" it is in the sanctification process!
Does this mean they are not saved? NO!
Does this mean they are more like "blind shepherds" in a ditch?
When they teach "Why work so HARD?" "Yer ALREADY saved!" "Isn't that good enough?!!?"Tis really sad, when ya thinks about it. They have "the clock!" and, yet? Cannot tell ya what time it is!
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Talk about not being able to teach, what one does not understand?
Finds myself "giggling" at these words! But, I should not. As it is more sad, then amusing.
Finds myself "giggling" at these words! But, I should not. As it is more sad, then amusing.
If you did, You would not make such comments. You remind me of those paul warned about.
1 Tim 1:
6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.
8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is [c]contrary to sound doctrine, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.
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Everything about it, From where they were told to put it. What was around it, What was in it. Who was aloud to come near it, and where the presence of God was. What seperated the place where Gods presence was and the rest of the tent, and who was aloud to enter in, and what they had to do. Even the fact they had to tie a rope to the high priests ankle in case he did not c lean himself and died thus having to be pulled out before he made the most holy place unclean.
When someone explained this to me, and I saw for the first time. WOW.
When someone explained this to me, and I saw for the first time. WOW.
Well everyone, I have been convicted of not trying to be more encouraging in my replies. It's okay for us to disagree while we work towards agreeing, but lets be sure not to dishonor another vessel that the Spirit of God is indwelling, even if we know we are right. Anyone I have offended, please forgive me, I did not set out to do so.
Well said! and yes I got a little choked up reading your description. looking at mine right now! The articles within it, each one literally representing volumes of details about the order no ORDER of our Creator! Our Heavenly Father is not casual about anything and when we approach Him we should do so soberly.
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I love a few things, but some examples
1. The tent was to be placed in the center of the congregation. In other words. Gods desire is to be with us
2. Yet the presence of God was so impossible to come near. Only the high priest, and only after he went through ritual cleansing even had an opportunity to enter the presence of God and at this, Only once a year, to make sacrifice for his people.
1. The tent was to be placed in the center of the congregation. In other words. Gods desire is to be with us
2. Yet the presence of God was so impossible to come near. Only the high priest, and only after he went through ritual cleansing even had an opportunity to enter the presence of God and at this, Only once a year, to make sacrifice for his people.
It's beautiful! I know you think I'm crazy, but I get the same chills when I consider Gods laws as I see the symbolism in them. Not talking about righteousness at all here.
Our God is an AWESOME GOD!
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It's beautiful! I know you think I'm crazy, but I get the same chills when I consider Gods laws as I see the symbolism in them. Not talking about righteousness at all here.
But in context. They help show our identity. And what was accomplished to break down that barrier between God and man
Its when we try to take them out of context and use them as a means of living righteous lives (sanctification) when we get into trouble. And what I am trying to speak against.
I love the law. I can talk in context about it all day long (unlike those who claim I HATE the law.)
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