Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[eternally-gratefull]

Please quote your scriptures correctly.

You know what two passages i was refering to, (i was not quoting i was paraphrasing)

And i stand by those two passages. Can you explain why it appears you do not?

 

[posthuman]

I believe Paul spoke against licentiousness also. I just think people do not see it. because most of his writings dealt with legalism.

There must be something apart from law that makes a person want to do good

 

[PS]

The Bible says God does not change.

God is unchanging, it was the law that was changed in the giving of a New Covenant. Seeing as that was 2000 years ago, it is about time you got up to date.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There must be something apart from law that makes a person want to do good

I think noah and abraham, among others, proved this

 

[PS]

The question is about Jesus and what He said about the Law.

Sorry, but it`s the only answer you find in the New Testament.

Romans 13:8
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Romans 13:10
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Thank you. The law has been fulfilled.

 

[posthuman]

How does John 3:3 address the Law? The new birth was a mystery until after the arrival of the HOLY SPIRIT.

John 3:11
Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.

 

[RickStudies]

Well your wrong, his does not answer how law is established, it answers how parts of the law the kept, i did not ask how we keep the law i asked how the law was established (2 different things)

But since you have said it, Are you perfect? Do You keep all of the law, every jot and tittle? As required?

At this point you are pretty far out of context. The only person who ever fulfilled the requirement of the Law was Jesus Christ.
I am perfect in the sense of wearing the garment of Christ`s righteousness and being covered by His blood.

As to the law establish thing, you will have to clarify what you are asking me.

 

[posthuman]

Jesus told us we no longer need to keep the law of Moses to be saved (as if keeping the law saves, only Jesus can do that) when he said:
"Truly, I tell you with certainty, unless a person is born from above he cannot see the kingdom of God."
(Joh 3:3 ISV)

I'm not sure I see the connection you see here..?

Not that I don't believe there is one, I just need help understanding what you mean. I have an inkling..

 

[RickStudies]

John 3:11
Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.

1 Corinthians 2

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

 

[posthuman]

If I understand you correctly what you are referring to is the difference between the Law/Torah and the tradition which are the commands of the religeous leaders AKA the oral tradition that became the basis for Judaism after 70AD.

No, we're only talking about scripture, not about Talmud.

 

[posthuman]

1 Corinthians 2

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

Immediately after telling Nicodemus about the new birth, He says 'we' testify about what 'we' know and have seen. That's before the Spirit had been given.

The mystery in 1 Corinthians 2, if it is God manifest in the flesh, was also known before Pentecost / First-fruits

 

[eternally-gratefull]

At this point you are pretty far out of context. The only person who ever fulfilled the requirement of the Law was Jesus Christ.

Hey we agree on something

I am perfect in the sense of wearing the garment of Christ`s righteousness and being covered by His blood.

As to the law establish thing, you will have to clarify what you are asking me.

Then you admit you have not fulfilled the law and contnue to not fulfill it?

It said faith establishes the law..how?

How does my faith in christ establish the law?

 

[RickStudies]

Immediately after telling Nicodemus about the new birth, He says 'we' testify about what 'we' know and have seen. That's before the Spirit had been given.

The mystery in 1 Corinthians 2, if it is God manifest in the flesh, was also known before Pentecost / First-fruits

Jesus talked about and did things that were not understood until later. In my opinion the new birth is one of those. If you have evidence that it was understood please share it.

Nicodemous himself was a scholar in his time and he didn`t understand it.

 

[posthuman]

Again, how does faith establish the law?

The woman who touched the hem of His robe ((tzitzit?)), and the Canaanite woman whose daughter was possessed by a demon in Mark 7..?

 

[posthuman]

Jesus talked about and did things that were not understood until later. In my opinion the new birth is one of those. If you have evidence that it was understood please share it.

He literally said 'they' were testifying of what they knew and had seen. Not only Him, who knows all things, but His disciples with Him.

 

[RickStudies]

Hey we agree on something




Then you admit you have not fulfilled the law and contnue to not fulfill it?

It said faith establishes the law..how?

How does my faith in christ establish the law?

Please take the time to read your verses.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

It implies faith does not void the Law. It does not say faith establishes Law.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Please take the time to read your verses.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

It implies faith does not void the Law. It does not say faith establishes Law.

1. i never said the law was void
2. For the umpteenth time can you tell us how my faith in christ establishes the law

If you do not know thats fine. Just say so. No one will look down on you

 

[RickStudies]

He literally said 'they' were testifying of what they knew and had seen. Not only Him, who knows all things, but His disciples with Him.

That`s an interesting assertion. My thought has always been that the we refers to Jesus and God the Father dwelling inside of Jesus. Could be a reference to deciples. But if thats all you got, not much evidence.

Here`s the problem, no one was born again until after pentecost. I`m not aware of any evidence anyone understood new birth except Jesus before then.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The woman who touched the hem of His robe ((tzitzit?)), and the Canaanite woman whose daughter was possessed by a demon in Mark 7..?

What does those things have to do with the law? Just asking bro

 

[RickStudies]

1. i never said the law was void
2. For the umpteenth time can you tell us how my faith in christ establishes the law

If you do not know thats fine. Just say so. No one will look down on you

Your faith and the Law are two different things, a distinction is always made so the Bible doesn`t say it does.

Maybe you are thinking of some man made doctrine I`m not real familiar with.