Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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Eccl 5:7
7 Much dreaming and many words are meaningless....
NIV
7 Much dreaming and many words are meaningless....
NIV
when I said the following before giving my answer..
The problem is with providing an answer?
Its going to invite negative diversion to get our mind away from what was said.
You proved me to be correct.
You offer nothing of substance.
Perhaps all those who want to learn more should agree to put you on Ignore?
May God bless....
Job 1:9-11
Why was Satan wanting to make such a major issue out of simply getting Job to curse God to his face?
The problem was with with Satan himself.
For when Satan first rebelled against God?
God being the Father over all the angels that He is?
Chastened Satan.
Chastened him as a son in a desire to get Satan to come to his senses and repent.
God wanted to restore Satan by punishment.
Scourging back then was punishment that came close to skinning one alive. Most painful.
It was meant to break down all resistance, arrogance, and pride if one could be humbled by the experience.
Satan rebelled at some point in prehistoric time.
God as a Father then scourged Satan after he rebelled, in God's desire to correct him.
But Satan refused and it eventually resulted in the judgment of Satan, and the utter destruction of the prehistoric world.
A world that Satan and his angels were included in, by having dominion over. Just like Adam was given dominion over our
present created world.
Before his fall Satan at some point became arrogant and exalted himself, making himself to feeling to be all powerful over the
prehistoric world. That was when God as a Father was caused to chasten/hurt Satan terribly, in hopes of knocking Satan back into his senses.
Instead of repentance when made to hurt? Satan cursed the Lord to his face!
That is why Satan was so determined to prove his point with Job. That he was truly justified in having cursed
the Lord to his face. Which was to be proven by using Job being placed Job under great (undeserved) suffering.
Satan figured would result in Job cursing God to his face!
Instead? Job put Satan to shame.
Job kept giving God the glory in his pain!
Job left Satan to be without excuse.
That is why maturing Christians will have times of what is called 'undeserved suffering.'
For our testimony during those times, are being witnessed to by the angels who study what we do
to learn a lesson as God would have them to learn by observation and in truth
.
grace and peace ...............
“Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. “Have you not put a hedge around
him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands,
so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But now stretch out your
hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.
Why was Satan wanting to make such a major issue out of simply getting Job to curse God to his face?
The problem was with with Satan himself.
For when Satan first rebelled against God?
God being the Father over all the angels that He is?
Chastened Satan.
Chastened him as a son in a desire to get Satan to come to his senses and repent.
God wanted to restore Satan by punishment.
And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses
you as a father addresses his son?
It says,
“My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.” Hebrews 12:5-6
Scourging back then was punishment that came close to skinning one alive. Most painful.
It was meant to break down all resistance, arrogance, and pride if one could be humbled by the experience.
Satan rebelled at some point in prehistoric time.
God as a Father then scourged Satan after he rebelled, in God's desire to correct him.
But Satan refused and it eventually resulted in the judgment of Satan, and the utter destruction of the prehistoric world.
A world that Satan and his angels were included in, by having dominion over. Just like Adam was given dominion over our
present created world.
Before his fall Satan at some point became arrogant and exalted himself, making himself to feeling to be all powerful over the
prehistoric world. That was when God as a Father was caused to chasten/hurt Satan terribly, in hopes of knocking Satan back into his senses.
Instead of repentance when made to hurt? Satan cursed the Lord to his face!
That is why Satan was so determined to prove his point with Job. That he was truly justified in having cursed
the Lord to his face. Which was to be proven by using Job being placed Job under great (undeserved) suffering.
Satan figured would result in Job cursing God to his face!
Instead? Job put Satan to shame.
Job kept giving God the glory in his pain!
Job left Satan to be without excuse.
That is why maturing Christians will have times of what is called 'undeserved suffering.'
For our testimony during those times, are being witnessed to by the angels who study what we do
to learn a lesson as God would have them to learn by observation and in truth
.
grace and peace ...............
Demons are always in agony...
They scream out because of their agony.
If you understood they utter agony of his soul?
His "screaming out" was totally acceptable.
The Greek indicates what He was exclaiming was not simply rhetorical...
Would you like to be taught from the Greek and Hebrew texts?
It would be most helpful in getting the richness of what was written.
..... .... thank you Lord for coffee!
(freshly ground and organic).
They scream out because of their agony.
If you understood they utter agony of his soul?
His "screaming out" was totally acceptable.
The Greek indicates what He was exclaiming was not simply rhetorical...
Would you like to be taught from the Greek and Hebrew texts?
It would be most helpful in getting the richness of what was written.
.....
.... thank you Lord for coffee! (freshly ground and organic).
Where is this taught in Scripture?
Who said anything about rhetorical... besides you?
Jesus was quoting the 22nd Psalm, which prophesied with great detail the particulars of His crucifixion.
I don't see anything about that being for style or effect, rather than truth, substance, or meaning.
Nor was He forsaken of God. For he has not despised or abhorred the affliction of the
afflicted, and He has not hidden His face from Him, but has heard, when He cried to Him.
Since Jesus said and did everything for our benefit, He was expressing the agony of the lost when
they face God in judgment, knowing their rebellion ends in the second (everlasting) death.
Deuteronomy 31:8
Who said anything about rhetorical... besides you?
Jesus was quoting the 22nd Psalm, which prophesied with great detail the particulars of His crucifixion.
I don't see anything about that being for style or effect, rather than truth, substance, or meaning.
Nor was He forsaken of God. For he has not despised or abhorred the affliction of the
afflicted, and He has not hidden His face from Him, but has heard, when He cried to Him.
Since Jesus said and did everything for our benefit, He was expressing the agony of the lost when
they face God in judgment, knowing their rebellion ends in the second (everlasting) death.
Deuteronomy 31:8
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once again you deny the sovereignty of God in salvation and the doctrine of original sin by foolishly thinking that spiritually dead men can choose God when Scripture clearly states that men by their depraved nature hate God and do not seek after Him or want to choose Him unless God grants to give them new hearts to do so as is clearly shown in Ezekiel's picture of the valley of dry dead bones which only God can make alive and which was done by grace, through faith in Christ Jesus who came to secure salvation for His people and not simply make salvation possible for dead people who you foolishly think can choose Him to save themselves!
Until you submit to the truth that God has chosen to save some people purely according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which has absolutely nothing to do with the person or what they do, then you are deceived into believing a false gospel and a false Christ and also deny the doctrine of the Trinity in which the whole Godhead is involved in the salvation of sinners chosen before the foundation of the world.
All deserve only justice from God and thank God He has chosen to give non-justice to some in the form of righteous mercy wrought for them in the cross of Christ and it is only these He desires to save. The rest are given justice by way of their sin to the praise of the glory of God's goodness found in His holy, righteous, just, eternal wrath which you do not yet believe in and somehow think that God loves those He eternally torments when He has decreed all things including their just demise for His glory.
Pro 16:4 The LORD has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.
Psa 92:7 When the wicked spring up like grass, And when all the workers of iniquity flourish, It is that they may be destroyed forever.
Rom 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Jud 1:4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Until you submit to the truth that God has chosen to save some people purely according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which has absolutely nothing to do with the person or what they do, then you are deceived into believing a false gospel and a false Christ and also deny the doctrine of the Trinity in which the whole Godhead is involved in the salvation of sinners chosen before the foundation of the world.
All deserve only justice from God and thank God He has chosen to give non-justice to some in the form of righteous mercy wrought for them in the cross of Christ and it is only these He desires to save. The rest are given justice by way of their sin to the praise of the glory of God's goodness found in His holy, righteous, just, eternal wrath which you do not yet believe in and somehow think that God loves those He eternally torments when He has decreed all things including their just demise for His glory.
Pro 16:4 The LORD has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.
Psa 92:7 When the wicked spring up like grass, And when all the workers of iniquity flourish, It is that they may be destroyed forever.
Rom 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Jud 1:4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
the Gospel is the greatest news this world has and will ever know, therefore, those who undermine and pervert the Gospel in any way , whether wilfully or not are guilty of committing the most evil act in the world and are confirmed in Scripture as being more accountable than others, are doubly accursed and will wish they were never born at all.
This is why I sincerely and lovingly seek to correct those like yourself here who are gravely in error and try do so according to Scripture for it is given for this purpose.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
This is why I sincerely and lovingly seek to correct those like yourself here who are gravely in error and try do so according to Scripture for it is given for this purpose.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
God is indeed angry with the wicked every day (Psa 7:11) but He is also a God who delights in mercy (Mic 7:18) and as He is eternal and timeless, He has chosen to choose some for glory before He created the world and they were even born.
Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
2Ti 1:9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
Rom 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
2Ti 1:9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
Rom 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
At least twice we are shown that demons are living in agony...
Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding.
The demons begged Jesus, “If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.”
He said to them, “Go!” So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd
rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. " Matthew 8:30-32
That was MASS SUICIDE DESIRE!
Not only that..
While they were possessing the man called "Legion?" They were causing him to keep cutting himself.
They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes. When Jesus got out of the boat,
a man with an impure spirit came from the tombs to meet him. This man lived in the tombs,
and no one could bind him anymore, not even with a chain. For he had often been chained
hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his feet. No one was strong
enough to subdue him. Night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and
cut himself with stones." Mark 5:1-5
And, look what they had to constantly lived with in their minds!
“What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted.
They are filled with intense self destructive self hatred as evidenced by how they manifested themselves by cutting themselves in the body they possessed!
Once more I repeat to show the kind of misery they exist with knowing full well the inevitable punishment they can not escape.
“What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted.
“Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?” Matthew 8:29
Demons are not a happy lot to say the least.
Considering all that?
Is it no wonder they scream.
..........
Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding.
The demons begged Jesus, “If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.”
He said to them, “Go!” So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd
rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. " Matthew 8:30-32
That was MASS SUICIDE DESIRE!
Not only that..
While they were possessing the man called "Legion?" They were causing him to keep cutting himself.
They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes. When Jesus got out of the boat,
a man with an impure spirit came from the tombs to meet him. This man lived in the tombs,
and no one could bind him anymore, not even with a chain. For he had often been chained
hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his feet. No one was strong
enough to subdue him. Night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and
cut himself with stones." Mark 5:1-5
And, look what they had to constantly lived with in their minds!
“What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted.
“Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”
Matthew 8:29
They are filled with intense self destructive self hatred as evidenced by how they manifested themselves by cutting themselves in the body they possessed!
Once more I repeat to show the kind of misery they exist with knowing full well the inevitable punishment they can not escape.
“What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted.
“Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?” Matthew 8:29
Demons are not a happy lot to say the least.
Considering all that?
Is it no wonder they scream.
..........
You are citing Job's arguments to his friends as if they are Holy Spirit truth. But God rebuked Job as one who spoke without understanding.Job
38 Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:
2 “Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
38 Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:
2 “Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
Where is this taught in Scripture?
Who said anything about rhetorical... besides you?
Jesus was quoting the 22nd Psalm, which prophesied with great detail the particulars of His crucifixion.
I don't see anything about that being for style or effect, rather than truth, substance, or meaning.
Nor was He forsaken of God. For he has not despised or abhorred the affliction of the
afflicted, and He has not hidden His face from Him, but has heard, when He cried to Him.
Since Jesus said and did everything for our benefit, He was expressing the agony of the lost when
they face God in judgment, knowing their rebellion ends in the second (everlasting) death.
Deuteronomy 31:8
Who said anything about rhetorical... besides you?
Jesus was quoting the 22nd Psalm, which prophesied with great detail the particulars of His crucifixion.
I don't see anything about that being for style or effect, rather than truth, substance, or meaning.
Nor was He forsaken of God. For he has not despised or abhorred the affliction of the
afflicted, and He has not hidden His face from Him, but has heard, when He cried to Him.
Since Jesus said and did everything for our benefit, He was expressing the agony of the lost when
they face God in judgment, knowing their rebellion ends in the second (everlasting) death.
Deuteronomy 31:8
Nice meeting you! bye! And, may God bless!
Screamed in what sense are you afraid of?
Matthew 27:46
At about three o'clock Jesus screamed with a loud voice and kept on saying,
"Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, My God, why have You rejected/forsaken Me?"
and.....
Verse 46. - Cried (ἀνεβόησεν, cried out) with a loud voice. The loud cry at this terrible moment showed that there was still an amount of vitality in that mangled form from which extreme anguish of soul and body forced that pleading utterance. Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say (that is), My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken (ἐγκατέλιπες, didst thou forsake) me? Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
grace and truth .......
Matthew 27:46
At about three o'clock Jesus screamed with a loud voice and kept on saying,
"Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, My God, why have You rejected/forsaken Me?"
and.....
Verse 46. - Cried (ἀνεβόησεν, cried out) with a loud voice. The loud cry at this terrible moment showed that there was still an amount of vitality in that mangled form from which extreme anguish of soul and body forced that pleading utterance. Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say (that is), My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken (ἐγκατέλιπες, didst thou forsake) me? Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
grace and truth .......