Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[FollowerofShiloh]

But jews can hear and see also. you said yourself you can..

That passage is about the time God will send them prophets and force them to continue in unbelief, because they are forced to keep believing the lie.

I spend my time with the JEWS. Don't tell me what I see every day that you do not!

That verse speaks more truth today than at any time in the history when Jesus came.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I have no problem with your explanation.

I am just saying Paul said to this very day the JEWS are blind and deaf to the Gospel.

Thank God the Gentiles can see and hear!

yes.. Thats what Paul said in romans 11. They are blinded in part.. But one day they will repent..

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I spend my time with the JEWS. Don't tell me what I see every day that you do not!

That verse speaks more truth today than at any time in the history when Jesus came.

lol

dude, back off, don;t tell me what I can and cant see

I spend time every day with jews also. Every one I know is my brother and sister in christ.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

This is not water baptism here. This is holy spirit baptism. God literally baptizesd you into his death, and buried you in that same baptism. no water is involved.


So your admitting I am right, and you believe water baptism is required. Yet you yelled at me for saying you never said that.

Give me a break.

PS Mark 16 is questionable.
1. it is not in the oldest manuscripts
2. It does not make sense (if a child of God eats poison or gets bit, they will die.. there is no guarantee they will nto die)
3. At the very least. It does not say water, if could be spirit baptism, which is automatic.

finally. Read the book of John, Jesus never mentions baptism, he always mentioned believe only

as for acts. again, study the passage, it does nto say what you think it says

I don't admit that you are right about anything.

You can believe as you want.

But baptized in the Holy Spirit is LIFE, baptism in water is DEATH!

You just don't want to believe the Word of God!

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

yes.. Thats what Paul said in romans 11. They are blinded in part.. But one day they will repent..

They haven't repented so it's not for today.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

lol

dude, back off, don;t tell me what I can and cant see

I spend time every day with jews also. Every one I know is my brother and sister in christ.

I am a JEW. Most of the people we ever spend time with is other Jews as in 365 days year after year.

 

[Rufus]

Only the Jews are deaf right now. The Gentiles have the chance to become joint-heirs.

Only the Jews are deaf right now. The Gentiles have the chance to become joint-heirs.

The Jews have a different nature than the rest of mankind? Wasn't Nicodemus a Jew and, yet, Jesus told him that he needed to be born again?

 

[Rufus]

yes.. Thats what Paul said in romans 11. They are blinded in part.. But one day they will repent..

And who opens their eyes to see? Or do they heal themselves?

 

[Rufus]

God hardened their hearts.

But when that man showed and explained and spoke the Gospel, my Grandfather understood.

Did that Pentecostal preacher, then, raise your grandfather from his spiritual tomb?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

The Jews have a different nature than the rest of mankind? Wasn't Nicodemus a Jew and, yet, Jesus told him that he needed to be born again?

Jesus hadn't DBR yet either.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Did that Pentecostal preacher, then, raise your grandfather from his spiritual tomb?

No, unlike YOU, he knew the Word of God and being led by the Spirit was able to show my Grandfather where it was my Grandfather lacked understanding.

 

[Rufus]

Hearing causes Faith.

But who heals the deaf so that they may hear? ("May" here doesn't mean "possibly".)

 

[Rufus]

Jesus hadn't DBR yet either.

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

But who heals the deaf so that they may hear? ("May" here doesn't mean "possibly".)

The Gospel of Jesus Christ DBR.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

What does that have to do with anything?

Jesus said when He is lifted up He would draw ALL men. He wasn't yet lifted up.

 

[Rufus]

No, unlike YOU, he knew the Word of God and being led by the Spirit was able to show my Grandfather where it was my Grandfather lacked understanding.

Interesting...so if your granddaddy was never in a state of spiritual death, then that means he must have come into this world spiritually alive unto God. Got chapter and verse for that?

 

[Rufus]

The Gospel of Jesus Christ DBR.

The gospel alone is not enough. Don't you know that one must be born of the Spirit and the Word? And, yet, you insult me by telling me I don't know the Word of God?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Interesting...so if your granddaddy was never in a state of spiritual death, then that means he must have come into this world spiritually alive unto God. Got chapter and verse for that?

I already said the man presented the Gospel of Christ to him. Here was that man, AoG GT Haywood (1910)

 

[Rufus]

Jesus said when He is lifted up He would draw ALL men. He wasn't yet lifted up.

So, you think "all" is being used in the distributive sense, as in each and every person?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

The gospel alone is not enough. Don't you know that one must be born of the Spirit and the Word? And, yet, you insult me by telling me I don't know the Word of God?

Now you deny what Paul said

17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.