Concerning the gift of tongues
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I don't have TO PROVE TO YOU ANYTHING. That is your arrogance. The truth is that the word of God states there is a supernatural experience produced by the Holy Spirit known as the gifts of the Holy Spirit found in 1 Corinthians chapter 12 through 14 and Ephesians chapter 4:11-14. Both are still active, and nothing in the text states they are not for today or have ended.
If you have not seen this, that is your issue, not mine
. Manna is not contextual with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Your following of Simon Magus is your choice. I follow Christ and HIS word.-
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LOL the arrogant all-knowing "Lamar" can tell me what is fake yet he doesn't know me , never seen me, and doesn't know my experiences I have had around the world. BUT he knows how to tell everyone here what is fake.
Then, out of arrogance, states, " I will not search the scriptures to prove that manna is falling in my backyard. "
Just provide scripture that states the gifts of the Holy Spirit are no longer vaild today and have stopped. Just do that.
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you talk a lot about faith and not sight but you show a whole lot of unbelief does that not seem odd to you? also another thing is you say the pentecostal moevement was tested well tested when and by who? and one more thing the spirit you show is being tested as we speak and so far it doesn't look good for you
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I believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit are still in operation today. I have posted elsewhere that I have done miracles on occasion when God wanted to do them through me.
Other Christians believe as well in what God and the Bible says about the gifts of the Holy Spirit still being in operation today. That's why God is still able to do miracles among us but not among the cessationists.
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They say that they don't need to see such things because they go by faith and not sight but without faith they will never see such things they even take pride in the fact they do not need to see such things but not because they have faith but because they don't believe in them to begin with
what would Jesus say to them with such a view I wonder? I am guessing along the lines of you do not have because you do not ask
what would Jesus say to them with such a view I wonder? I am guessing along the lines of you do not have because you do not ask
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There is nothing noble or spiritual about having faith in false claims of physical supernatural manifestations.
Modern day claims of angelic tongues, divine interpretations, sacred prophecies, supernatural healings etc. have no more reason to be believed then claims of extraterrestrials living among us. Yet this is their logic.
Presenting scriptures that these events were happening during the early church is not evidence of its existence today!
How can people who claim to believe in a reasonable God believe such utter nonsense!
Those of the Pentecostal movement and their ilk will never test their claims of supernatural phenomenon against what was used to prove their validity in the Bible.
They never have and they never will. Their claims are bogus.
They are blowhards living in delusions of grandeur or suffering from eighth grade syndrome.
Jesus proved His claims were true by public healings, exorcisms, raising the dead, controlling the weather etc.
So too did the Apostles but today we have simply claims of splendor.
God will respond to such ignorant claims of 'Lord did we not prophesy" with a simple "I do not know you".
Modern day claims of angelic tongues, divine interpretations, sacred prophecies, supernatural healings etc. have no more reason to be believed then claims of extraterrestrials living among us. Yet this is their logic.
Presenting scriptures that these events were happening during the early church is not evidence of its existence today!
How can people who claim to believe in a reasonable God believe such utter nonsense!
Those of the Pentecostal movement and their ilk will never test their claims of supernatural phenomenon against what was used to prove their validity in the Bible.
They never have and they never will. Their claims are bogus.
They are blowhards living in delusions of grandeur or suffering from eighth grade syndrome.
Jesus proved His claims were true by public healings, exorcisms, raising the dead, controlling the weather etc.
So too did the Apostles but today we have simply claims of splendor.
God will respond to such ignorant claims of 'Lord did we not prophesy" with a simple "I do not know you".
I would reccomend you look at the verse posted above (Romans 11:29) this proves the gifts have not ceased and your accusations are not warrented because you have no way of proving such claims are bogus.
to prove the point further this verse shows all that is needed but what do you have to prove your claims are accurate?
to prove the point further this verse shows all that is needed but what do you have to prove your claims are accurate?
Here is the verse:
Romans 11:29
"For the gifts of God and his calling are irrevocable."
He is attempting to use this verse as an all-encompassing panacea to anything that he wants to believe is still occurring.
God is sovereign.
"The Lord gives and the Lord takes away." Job1:21
Ask King Saul, King David, Moses, Samson, the unforgiving servant, Eli, King Solomon etc.
Romans 11:29
"For the gifts of God and his calling are irrevocable."
He is attempting to use this verse as an all-encompassing panacea to anything that he wants to believe is still occurring.
God is sovereign.
"The Lord gives and the Lord takes away." Job1:21
Ask King Saul, King David, Moses, Samson, the unforgiving servant, Eli, King Solomon etc.
he isn't trying to do that but you are you think using that verse out of context means anything?
Your literally doing exactly what your accusing him of doing and also you reject the verse provided because it doesn't fit into your beliefs and quite frankly you cannot refute it either your just grasping at straws at this point
Your literally doing exactly what your accusing him of doing and also you reject the verse provided because it doesn't fit into your beliefs and quite frankly you cannot refute it either your just grasping at straws at this point
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again (Romans 11:29) ask and recieve that is if you will recieve at all my guess is no amount of evidence will shake your system of doctrine but by all means find scripture to disprove this one
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Well, in my experience there have been no miracles that suspend the laws of physics or heal physically,
but rather incidents that involved timing, such as meeting my future wife shortly after praying that I would do so,
which could be coincidence, so although I do not deny that miracles might occur "on occasion", I doubt anyone has
the gift that Jesus had, including Paul, which is why he wrote that we must walk by faith, not from miracle to miracle,
and Jesus said believers would be known by their miraculous love, not because of the ability to cure cancer.
but rather incidents that involved timing, such as meeting my future wife shortly after praying that I would do so,
which could be coincidence, so although I do not deny that miracles might occur "on occasion", I doubt anyone has
the gift that Jesus had, including Paul, which is why he wrote that we must walk by faith, not from miracle to miracle,
and Jesus said believers would be known by their miraculous love, not because of the ability to cure cancer.
You imply that people who have the gifts of the Holy Spirit don't walk in faith and/or not known for their miraculous love, but those are false and baseless accusations.
Receiving and using the gifts of the Holy Spirit properly actually requires a lot more faith than cessationists who don't believe and reject the gifts of the Holy Spirit. What faith is required to not believe and reject? Absolutely none.
In terms of love - I think it is a wonderful expression of love for God and His church when a Christian allows the Holy Spirit to work His gifts through them in order to build up, strengthen and protect His church and individuals. On top of that, they also carry out the regular work that cessationists do to serve God so they can actually do more for Him since they've made themselves more available and useful to God. That's real love for Him and for the church for sure!
All I see the cessationists do so far on this thread are falsely accuse their own brothers and sisters in Christ who use these gifts to serve God and try to discourage and hinder their work for Him. That's not exhibiting or living godly love at all.
But seeing how things are I can see why God allowed this thread to exist. Having to define what they are and do and how they are used to benefit God, the church and individual Christians actually helped me to realize just how much they are still needed today, especially when we are so close to the end of this age.
Strange as that may seem, as a result, I appreciate these gifts that God gave us and want to put them to use even more!
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