I wrote it. And I think I've explained the subject. You're placing what Paul said in a completely different timeframe than intended by him. Once again, read carefully and understand who the letters were written to and subjects being addressed on THAT timeperiod. Gifts were short lived and served a unique purpose then. They had no bible as well now do. The church was brand new plagued with many issues as you can see by the content of tge letters. Also you can see the church was going astray early on. Read the 1st 3 chapters of Revelation; to the 7 churches of Asia.
Concerning the gift of tongues
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Yep. The miraculous gifts listed in 1 cor 12:8-10. All were manifestations of the Spirit, enabled by the laying on of the apostle's hands, and they're DED!
clearly you don't understand that it is God in us that gives and operates the gifts so no she has no control over it because it isn't her that is speaking it is the holy spirit
but it would be the occult to you regardless you accuse her of claiming to have supernatural abilities and you accuse her of the occult if she says it is the holy spirit in her that does it no matter what she says it is a lose lose situation with you
so honestly it is the gift you are against and no matter what is said you have your mind set in stone and will not be swayed no matter what even though even the scriptures speak against you
but by all means show me otherwise can you prove it is the occult? is there scripture you can provide that shows that the gift has ceased? if not then all your doing is childish attacks and accusations with no basis or ground to stand on
sorry but I am legally blind I cannot read a lot of words it strains my eyes to much is it possible you can describe it in a shorter post?
and yet I have seen and experienced them if they died why do I and many others still see them in operation?
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Actually, no. This is an extract from a larger writing on the subject of gifts. Some things are difficult to unravel and require greater explanation.
Actually, no. This is an extract from a larger writing on the subject of gifts. Some things are difficult to unravel and require greater explanation.
oh ok well I will try to read it the best I can but if I miss something that is my bad
No problem. Hope you get something out of it and it helps your understanding of the subject.
I also believe that the gifts of 1st Cor. 12:8-10 have ceased. Hence our current age of faith without sight.
The best evidence of this is to simply be honest and admit the difference between our world and the world described in the New Testament.
You have seen and experienced supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit that are akin to those mentioned in the New Testament?
Are you being honest? Are you not legally blind?
Clearly you don't understand that ocean is claiming to have been given this gift and that she operates the gift. She does not claim to have no control of the gift. She even asked for the gift and it was granted to her.
I said I have experienced the gifts not all of them but some of them tongues prophecy for example no I didn't see tongues of fire but I did experience God's power through tongues and it certainly was an eye opener. I also have experienced his power from laying of hands as well not that it matters what I experienced or testify as you already don't and refuse to believe in the supernatural aspect of God
I don't know if your a calvanist but I do know you don't believe in the supernatural aspect of God who by definition is supernatural so I am not sure why it is a surprise to hear him operate in the supernatural.
But yes I am legally blind
she also never claimed tyo have control over it iether otherwise it would be her speaking not the spirit nice try though
People conflate being legally blind with being completely blind. All it takes is a little
research to find out that there is indeed a difference. You would think it easy enough...
1 Corinthians 12 verse 2-3 & from Romans 8 verse 9 ~ You know that when you were pagans, you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. Therefore I inform you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. You are controlled by the Spirit if the Spirit of God lives in you. The Spirit of truth proceeds from the Father to testify about Jesus.
Chuckle!!! Of course I would - AFTER the mountain was relocated!!! (the proof of the pudding etc.)
If I claimed hat Jesus had performed a SIN OFFERING on Calvary that cleansed me from my SIN when I placed the FAITH he gave me in it, would you believe me??
Jesus' words in Matthew 17 verses 20-21
Faith the size of a mustard seed moved the mountain of my unbelief .
After the mountain was moved??? Then you would believe.
Chuckle!!! Sounds like you have the faith of Thomas.
I would not believe anything that you claimed about Jesus. The Bible is enough for me.