Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?
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I did not find an apology to you from @Lookupnotback on the forum after he accused you of acting like satan for disagreeing with his idea that prophesying is always about the future, then doing the same thing himself.
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wozza all those isms?
cessationaism vs continualism
well heres what I think of both POVs
cessationism is for people who dont have gifts
continualism is for people that do
Unfortunately not everyone has discovered their spiritual gifts or is grateful for them but they have made do without it.
The gifted ones cant help but use them. But sometimes people do abuse or squander their gifts.
the ones who arent gifted can be envious of those that have the gifts. But if people dont ask, they dont receive.
If you have a spiritual gift its up to you to use it responsibly. I have seen gifted people become lazy because the gift was given and they didnt have to work to earn it.
for those who dont have gifts, I think they might have a view of God who is stingy because He hasnt favoured them. but some people actually may have been given a gift and they never used it because they didnt value it.
cessationaism vs continualism
well heres what I think of both POVs
cessationism is for people who dont have gifts
continualism is for people that do
Unfortunately not everyone has discovered their spiritual gifts or is grateful for them but they have made do without it.
The gifted ones cant help but use them. But sometimes people do abuse or squander their gifts.
the ones who arent gifted can be envious of those that have the gifts. But if people dont ask, they dont receive.
If you have a spiritual gift its up to you to use it responsibly. I have seen gifted people become lazy because the gift was given and they didnt have to work to earn it.
for those who dont have gifts, I think they might have a view of God who is stingy because He hasnt favoured them. but some people actually may have been given a gift and they never used it because they didnt value it.
God is sovereign and not passive in the care of His children.
Precious in the sight of God is the death of His saints. We are counted as sheep to the slaughter for the glory of God. God scourges His children for His glory. God is not passive but sovereign. All is by His determinate will and never by happenstance.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Precious in the sight of God is the death of His saints. We are counted as sheep to the slaughter for the glory of God. God scourges His children for His glory. God is not passive but sovereign. All is by His determinate will and never by happenstance.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
what are you saying? Praying God will not answer? Yet Jesus said to pray? I guess you think God requires us to suffer for our salvation? And though the suffering God says to call on HIm and He might answer you?
That is not the God of the Bible, that is the devil. The God of the Bible says I AM the Lord God that Heals!
YOu enjoy your pain and suffering I will thank God that there is a test that will not break me. Anything bad that happens in this world outside of the Judgment of God is not from God.
That is not the God of the Bible, that is the devil. The God of the Bible says I AM the Lord God that Heals!
YOu enjoy your pain and suffering I will thank God that there is a test that will not break me. Anything bad that happens in this world outside of the Judgment of God is not from God.
In the Old Testament, if Israel were obedient to the covenant, God would put upon them none of the sicknesses that He put upon the Egyptians. In the New Testament, some were sick and slept in the Corinthian church over the sin of not rightly regarding the Lord's body. People debate over Paul's infirmity in II Corinthians was a sickness per se. But that was given so that he would not be proud, whatever it was. James says of the one who calls for the elders of the church 'and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him."
Where does the Bible teach that sickness is suffering 'for His name's sake'? Maybe Epaphras or Epaphraditus was sick in the course of ministry, but he got better, and I can't find any passage about someone suffering so well under cancer or arthritis that other people glorified God because of how they suffered from their illness.
I saw a post elsewhere one time about someone complaining about a little old lady who had heard teaching about believing God for her arthritis to be healed. The poster said that the reason she had the arthritis was to teach her to be more like Jesus-- or something along those lines-- as if he had the ability to know God's purposes behind this woman's specific illness.
I asked him if he knew that was the case, why didn't he have the old woman soak her hands in ice water so she could experience more pain from her arthritis because it would do her so much spiritual good. If he really thought like that, he should be against taking Tylenol for the pain also.
Testimonies of hearing speaking in tongues in one's own language do align with the word, because there are examples of this in Acts 2. It does not align with your eisegesis of equating 'that which is perfect' with the completed canon. Reality does not align with your interpretation.
Where does the Bible teach that sickness is suffering 'for His name's sake'? Maybe Epaphras or Epaphraditus was sick in the course of ministry, but he got better, and I can't find any passage about someone suffering so well under cancer or arthritis that other people glorified God because of how they suffered from their illness.
I saw a post elsewhere one time about someone complaining about a little old lady who had heard teaching about believing God for her arthritis to be healed. The poster said that the reason she had the arthritis was to teach her to be more like Jesus-- or something along those lines-- as if he had the ability to know God's purposes behind this woman's specific illness.
I asked him if he knew that was the case, why didn't he have the old woman soak her hands in ice water so she could experience more pain from her arthritis because it would do her so much spiritual good. If he really thought like that, he should be against taking Tylenol for the pain also.
Testimonies of hearing speaking in tongues in one's own language do align with the word, because there are examples of this in Acts 2. It does not align with your eisegesis of equating 'that which is perfect' with the completed canon. Reality does not align with your interpretation.
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OK so you tell me if this miracle is genuinely from God or is some kind of deception
One of the Miracles of St. Anthony of Padua (Anthony Dines with Enemies)
CERTAIN heretics of Rimini decided to end the meddlesome interference of Anthony in their sinful lives. His sermons had turned the attention of the people to their sinful excesses and the only solution was to get rid of the friar. So they invited the Saint to dinner, planning to poison his food. But God revealed their plans to their intended victim. Anthony still came to dine. Before he sat down at table he told his enemies of their plot. But they only laughed at him, reminding Anthony of Christ’s promise to His disciples, “And if they drink of any poisonous drink, it shall not harm them [Mark 16].” If he would eat the poisonous food without harm, they would return to the Faith. Anthony blessed the food and ate it without harm. The heretics confessed their sins and made good their promise.
OK so again you tell me if this miracle is genuinely from God or is some kind of deception.
https://www.sainttherse.com/from-the-miracles-of-saint-anthony-of-padua-anthony-dines-with-enemies/#:~:text=Before he sat down at,would return to the Faith.
One of the Miracles of St. Anthony of Padua (Anthony Dines with Enemies)
CERTAIN heretics of Rimini decided to end the meddlesome interference of Anthony in their sinful lives. His sermons had turned the attention of the people to their sinful excesses and the only solution was to get rid of the friar. So they invited the Saint to dinner, planning to poison his food. But God revealed their plans to their intended victim. Anthony still came to dine. Before he sat down at table he told his enemies of their plot. But they only laughed at him, reminding Anthony of Christ’s promise to His disciples, “And if they drink of any poisonous drink, it shall not harm them [Mark 16].” If he would eat the poisonous food without harm, they would return to the Faith. Anthony blessed the food and ate it without harm. The heretics confessed their sins and made good their promise.
OK so again you tell me if this miracle is genuinely from God or is some kind of deception.
https://www.sainttherse.com/from-the-miracles-of-saint-anthony-of-padua-anthony-dines-with-enemies/#:~:text=Before he sat down at,would return to the Faith.
So you teach that Christians have it easy and are spared suffering? Jesus never taught any such thing. I have known many fine Christians who suffered and died to glorify God. What better testimony to the doctors and healthcare workers that to suffer without complaint and give God the glory?
You can accept these testimonies without question but you cannot receive the word of God? How sad that you will follow those who would gladly lead you astray.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You can accept these testimonies without question but you cannot receive the word of God? How sad that you will follow those who would gladly lead you astray.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
There are a number of ways of telling whether a miracle is truly from God, including the exercise of the gift of discernment of spirits. We can look at the fruit of someone's life. I am not familiar with the life of St. Anthony. For me personally, I would not want to knowingly eat poison so that I not tempt the Lord, but I do not know how the Lord led the man in this situation. This is also a second or third hand account or less direct than that. Answering your question also does not affect my day to day life.
Whether you know the answer to your question has no bearing on the truth of the Biblical teaching that God gifts some members of the body of Christ to do miracles.
Whether you know the answer to your question has no bearing on the truth of the Biblical teaching that God gifts some members of the body of Christ to do miracles.
You are just making stuff up now. Paul wrote if we suffer with Him, we will also reign with Him. That doesn't mean if someone gets Covid-19, he is suffering for Christ's sake. Unbelievers can get Covid-19. If someone loses His job, is reviled, etc. for professing faith in Jesus or for following the teachings of Jesus, he may be suffering for Christ's sake.
You are the one in this conversation who is having difficulty receiving the word of God. You changed what the Bible said in an earlier post. Paul did not write that tongues and prophecy would cease when the canon is complete. He wrote that when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part will be done away. This is in an epistle in which he wrote, as the KJV renders it, 'So that ye come behind in no spiritual gift, waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.' A couple of chapters later, he wrote about the transformation that will occur to us at Christ's coming.
And I do not say I accept testimonies without question either.
You are the one in this conversation who is having difficulty receiving the word of God. You changed what the Bible said in an earlier post. Paul did not write that tongues and prophecy would cease when the canon is complete. He wrote that when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part will be done away. This is in an epistle in which he wrote, as the KJV renders it, 'So that ye come behind in no spiritual gift, waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.' A couple of chapters later, he wrote about the transformation that will occur to us at Christ's coming.
And I do not say I accept testimonies without question either.
Yes it is. Apart from the lunatic fringe who are never seen as part of the hard core of a church, I have a wide circle of friends in the Charismatic church, and they are not given to emotional highs at all.
The "emotional high" accusation of Charismatics is just an old chestnut that has been around since the 1960s when I first came to Christ in an AoG church. They laughed it off then, and my current friends laugh it off the same way today. They just put it down to people who are ignorant of what "Charismatic' is all about and just throw out accusations about things they know very little about except viewing a couple videos on Youtube.
The "emotional high" accusation of Charismatics is just an old chestnut that has been around since the 1960s when I first came to Christ in an AoG church. They laughed it off then, and my current friends laugh it off the same way today. They just put it down to people who are ignorant of what "Charismatic' is all about and just throw out accusations about things they know very little about except viewing a couple videos on Youtube.