Calvin did not invent the doctrines of grace

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I agree that one must be made alive to understand spiritual things correctly. I disagree that our experience is to serve as a barometer of truth.
The issue is that you don't understand that being made alive is an experience, it actually happens...

You merely speculate but these are literal things.
 

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I am merely suggesting you are one of those he will send away because he doesn't know them...

In reality God is found through silence and stillness, all texts can do is create different disturbances...

The Orthodox call this hesychasm.
Then maybe you should not be posting text.
 
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Our experience of truth is echoed in our words...

That experience is of truth itself, our words are merely an attempt to express that...

It is the same for the authors of the bible, always truth is filtered through the given consciousness...

Our efforts are to purify our own consciousness such that truth is more accurately conveyed...

Merely repeating others doesn't help that.
 

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I am trying to cause others to know the Spirit, but it is a rather pointless endeavor.

I cannot think of a better way to spend life though.
In reality God is found through silence and stillness, all texts can do is create different disturbances...
Guess you are not in reality wanting to find God.
 

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The issue is that you don't understand that being made alive is an experience, it actually happens...

You merely speculate but these are literal things.
That's a pretty bold assertion on your part. It either assumes I'm not born from above or that I know little if anything about true spirituality. How did you arrive at such a conclusion?
 

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Our experience of truth is echoed in our words...

That experience is of truth itself, our words are merely an attempt to express that...

It is the same for the authors of the bible, always truth is filtered through the given consciousness...
Wrong. The author of the Bible was God alone. He moved His scribes to write what, and how, He wanted it written.

[2Ti 3:16-17 KJV]
16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
 
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That's a pretty bold assertion on your part. It either assumes I'm not born from above or that I know little if anything about true spirituality. How did you arrive at such a conclusion?
How you have engaged me.
 
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Wrong. The author of the Bible was God alone. He moved His scribes to write what, and how, He wanted it written.

[2Ti 3:16-17 KJV]
16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
I am not denying inspiration, I am inspired...

What I'm rejecting is that the particular expression is always perfect...

For instance Paul is weak when discussing sexuality, his celibacy has created a psychological issue...

Outside this though he is true.
 

rogerg

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I am not denying inspiration, I am inspired...

What I'm rejecting is that the particular expression is always perfect...

For instance Paul is weak when discussing sexuality, his celibacy has created a psychological issue...

Outside this though he is true.
"all scripture", not some scripture. Paul wrote as he was moved by the Holy Spirit:

[2Pe 3:15-16 KJV]
15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
 
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"all scripture", not some scripture. Paul wrote as he was moved by the Holy Spirit:

[2Pe 3:15-16 KJV]
15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
He constantly says he has to be careful not to fall, but you can't see where he has already.

I love Paul, I think only John compares to him in the bible for genuine insight, but I am showing that even his expression is not perfect... thus emphasizing the need to find the Spirit that inspired him so that you can move from it authentically too...
 

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He constantly says he has to be careful not to fall, but you can't see where he has already.

I love Paul, I think only John compares to him in the bible for genuine insight, but I am showing that even his expression is not perfect... thus emphasizing the need to find the Spirit that inspired him so that you can move from it authentically too...
His expression was perfect given that God moved/wanted him to write what he wrote - it was not of Paul but of God.
No one finds the Sprit; the Sprit finds them.
 
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His expression was perfect given that God moved/wanted him to write what he wrote - it was not of Paul but of God.
No one finds the Sprit; the Sprit finds them.
I am suggesting his personal bias crept in... Romans 1 or 2 when he's talking about sex is a plain example where he's clearly violating Galatians 6:1 for instance.

The texts say that when we take a step forward God takes many, but most are not stepping towards God, they're just supporting the positions they already hold and pretending that confirming those positions is seeking truth.
 

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I am suggesting his personal bias crept in... Romans 1 or 2 when he's talking about sex is a plain example where he's clearly violating Galatians 6:1 for instance.

The texts say that when we take a step forward God takes many, but most are not stepping towards God, they're just supporting the positions they already hold and pretending that confirming it is seeking.
Your first sentence makes no sense; there are no contradictions.
The positions Christians take, they take, because they understand, believe, and trust in the Bible
as sole spiritual authority written by God. They therefore conform their understanding to its doctrines; they do not seek
to make its doctrines conform to their beliefs.
 

rogerg

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I am suggesting his personal bias crept in... Romans 1 or 2 when he's talking about sex is a plain example where he's clearly violating Galatians 6:1 for instance.

The texts say that when we take a step forward God takes many, but most are not stepping towards God, they're just supporting the positions they already hold and pretending that confirming those positions is seeking truth.
Question: are you a Chistian?
 
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Your first sentence makes no sense; there are no contradictions.
The positions Christians take, they take, because they understand, believe, and trust in the Bible
as sole spiritual authority written by God. They therefore conform their understanding to its doctrines; they do not seek
to make its doctrines conform to their beliefs.
This is why I'm so thankful the Orthodox have no concept of biblical literalcy, they understand fully that the authors are each individually flawed...

This is why our own experience is given precedence here, now we know the intentions of the Spirit directly and do not depend on an intermediary...

You are right to be concerned about whether one is guided by the Spirit and not just their own imagination...

You are told the fruit is how you can tell, if it results in you knowing the Spirit directly they are true.

If that does not happen they aren't useful on your way.