Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit

[stonesoffire]

In what way were you hugged? That is interesting especially because I also have felt something during prayer that felt as if it was a warm embrace of comfort.

I was crying about something happening, and was embraced fully by the Lord. The feeling is out of this world and completely pure. Rapture...

I'm sure you were too Cherie. I know of another woman who experienced this.

 

[stonesoffire]

A man had a dream in which he stood in the presence of God on judgment day. God asked him, 'Why should I let you into My heaven?' The man replied, 'I saw a ball of fire fall from the sky'. The Lord said, 'No'. Again in the dream the man heard God ask him a second time, 'Why should I allow you into My heaven?'. The man replied, 'I heard angels voices singing your praises'. God said 'No'. Then in his dream the man saw himself once again before God. God said, 'Why should I let you into My heaven?' The man replied, 'Jesus Christ died for me and His blood covers my sin' He rose from the dead to give me new life'. God said. 'Yes'.

Point is no post salvation experience is assurance of salvation. The integrity of God is our basis for our assurance of salvation.

You are right. But, He gives us things like this just because He loves us.

 

[obedienttogod]

God brought to my attention something that I will add before I log:


Acts 10:
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.





I was asked how can Tongues happen and there be no interpretation?

Here is the perfect example: ^

Tongues is spoken and NO INTERPRETATION because it's obvious this is known as the UNKNOWN TONGUE, Paul speaks that ONLY GOD understands!!

Gotta go!!

 

[stonesoffire]

You need to read his book "Bitten by Demons." In the 80's, lester would go to Africa and many other places he had missions teams. Specifically, when these mission teams would see something that no one could explain, or had an idea but wanted Lester to make the call.

Bitten by Demons, is about a young teenager who was demonically possessed. And when the missionaries would pray to cast the demons out, physical bite marks on his body would appear. They were even filming it live as this would take place. You could just sense the very presence of evil from just watching the film. Finally, they called in Lester, a TONGUE SPEAKER and great Warrior of God with expertise knowledge of the WORD.

At first, Lester watched how the missionaries were trying to free this young man of his hundreds of demons. For the next few days, Lester backed everyone off from attempting to cast the demons out. He sat with the young man day and night with film running 24/7. During this period, Lester encountered several demons who they have on film revealing their names. Lester noticed, while probing the demons, he would see from the inside out where these demons were biting this young man over and over. you could see the skin rise, like it was being forced from the body, in the shape of a full mouth and set of teeth biting down on the young man's flesh. The young man had bruises all over in the shape of someone being literally bitten. After getting enough notes and watching all he wanted see, Lester and the missionaries finally did cast the demons out.

But indeed, Lester was a great example for someone like me. I knew then spiritual warfare was just not praying for Grandma to get better. It was about an actual invisible entity I would not be able to physically see. I could see what these entities would do, but I could not see the body of the entity itself while doing it, only would see the results. His experiences have always remained in my mind when I deal with the enemy. I thank God for him!!

I never read the book. At the time I was going to his church, I wasn't ready to read about demonic experiences, but I heard about it from others. I was told it was a young woman in jail. Now I am ready so best to tell it truthfully. Lol

 

[stonesoffire]

Like you mentioned the woman also bitten. This Book has a few experiences!!

And I come to this post. 😄Going to read anyway along with the book of aliens that will come.

 

[stonesoffire]

See this is exactly what I mean

You through around pray in the spirit like it is some special thing, and unless you are speaking in tongues you do not do it.

News flash.

I pray in the spirit all the time, as do many people I know. And we do not speak, or have the NEED to speak in an unknown tongue that NO ONE understands.

But if you think that is what it means, then fine..

But you better look inside dude, You get man when people do not agree with you

Can you explain how that is different than what you, ricky and others have done to people like me who share the same experience but not the signs, and you claim that we have not seeked the baptism of the spirit and have not felt Gods pure infilling? (Which is not only a lie, but a misapplication of what BAPTISM is!)

Thats what makes people mad, Your hypocrisy! (If you have not done this, you have not experienced God. And how dare you come at me because you have not experienced this) It is really no different that health and wealth if you look at it. That same attitude, only different topics! (This does not go for all of you. There have been many people I know, and even a few in here who are not this way, and do not attack people who disagree with them, praise god for those brothers and sisters! Who knows it must be the internet setting which makes people act the way they do)

and by the way, I pray I meet my aunt in heaven, If I do not, I will blame the pentecostle church of God she went to who scared her so bad because she could not speak. So she FAKED it, and the pastor had the GULL to interpret what she said. This caused he to leave and question if there was a God at all.


Not one of you have yet to answer HOW you can test the spirit if their is no UNDERSTANDING of the words or babble comming out of your mouth. That enough is PROOF that it CAN NOT come from God. Because the bible makes it CLEAR that we must test ALL spirit to make sure it comes from God.

Speaking in tongues? I believe God has a time and a place for it. As shown by many people. Praying in tongues? There is no biblical foundation that I have yet found for it,

I am sure like most churches, there are good pentecostle church and bad ones, it is par for the course, Sadly the church has left its original foundation and became run by mere men who are free to do really whatever they want, and their congregations act and treat them like they are God.. This has perverted the church and has for centuries. Thats why I praise God my church is leader centric. There is not one astor but many, And not one leader but at least 5. No man can take charge and all pastors and leaders are held accountable for what they teach. This is the way all churches should be.

Did anyone test tongues in Acts EG?

I know they tested prophecy, because they allowed prophecies, and then elders discerned whether it was from the Lord, or from their own intellect.

Tongues comes from our inner person. That's the only way I know one could test it, and it's love flowing to God.

 

[dcontroversal]

Well there you have it people

Another know it all. Another arrogant person who thinks he is God himself. He is so smart he knows what people believe

No wonder people look at christianity as a joke, this is the type of people they look at and say, yep another know it all christian.

I don't mind discussing, arguing and even heated conversations occasionally.....but when ONE states something like the above (I know more about what you believe than you do) ....it gets a little bit ridiculous............

 

[stonesoffire]

I love everything you posted here

But the part I highlighted worries me, You studdied a gift? A gift should not have to be studied, I am sure if I sat and listened to people speaking in tongues I could also do what they are doing, Its like studying spanish, When you study it enough, You eventually can start speaking it, (this is what my aunt did, and why when she realised what happened she ran, Yet I wonder how many end up doing this and are HAPPY because it sort of verifies what they wanted all along?)

The gifts of the HS are natural. Thats how you KNOW they have the gift. People who have the gift of teaching are natural teachers. They do not study how to teach, Charismatic people are natural speakers. They do not need to study how. People who have the gift of helps. It just naturally occurs

This is how we at my church show people who ask to find out what their gift is. Look at all the gift. And try to do them all. The one you have been gifted with come naturally.

God also says if you wish seek for other gifts. And pray for them, How do you know he gave you more. Try them, do they come naturally. Or do you have to work at it.

We have many teachers in our home groups. You can really tell who has been gifted with the gift of teacher,
You can also tell who does not have that gift.

Same with other gifts.

But I am glad you did say, and I agree,, There is only one way to salvation, And it is by grace through faith in Jesus. Amen!!

By the laying on of hands, gifts are imparted and stirred up. But, one can stir up the gifts oneself, and move in the gifts without hands laid on them. They just manifest when needed.

You know when the anointing is present.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Mark 3:
20Then Jesus went home, and once again a crowd gathered, so that He and His disciples could not even eat. 21When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, “He is out of His mind.”
22And the scribes who had come down from Jerusalem were saying, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and, “By the prince of the demons He drives out demons.”
23So Jesus called them together and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? 24If a kingdom is divided against itself, it cannot stand. 25If a house is divided against itself, it cannot stand. 26And if Satan is divided and rises against himself, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27Indeed, no one can enter a strong man’s house to steal his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can plunder his house.
28Truly I tell you, the sons of men will be forgiven all sins and blasphemies, as many as they utter. 29But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.”
30Jesus made this statement because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”

Matthew 12:
22Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute was brought to Jesus, and He healed the man so that he could speak and see. 23The crowds were astounded and asked, “Could this be the Son of David?”
24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “Only by Beelzebul, the prince of the demons, does this man drive out demons.”
25Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?
27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29How can anyone enter a strong man’s house and steal his possessions, unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house.
30He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.

Joe cessationist:

"The gifts have ceased and ALL exercise of them is demonic"

the gifts are available to any that need them,It would be blasphemy If Joe knows what he Is saying Is not true and he continues to divide so to speak the kingdom of GOD.

Blasphemy of the HOLY SPIRIT Is a sin at the heart level In other words that person has gotten so hardened that they can no longer be reached or even Influenced to accept GOD.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Did anyone test tongues in Acts EG?

I know they tested prophecy, because they allowed prophecies, and then elders discerned whether it was from the Lord, or from their own intellect.

Tongues comes from our inner person. That's the only way I know one could test it, and it's love flowing to God.

Yeah they actually did, People heard them speak their own language

 

[eternally-gratefull]

By the laying on of hands, gifts are imparted and stirred up. But, one can stir up the gifts oneself, and move in the gifts without hands laid on them. They just manifest when needed.

You know when the anointing is present.

He gives to each as he wills. To SOME Tongues, To SOME the interpretation. And not just by laying on of hand

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't mind discussing, arguing and even heated conversations occasionally.....but when ONE states something like the above (I know more about what you believe than you do) ....it gets a little bit ridiculous............

He apologized, so may have just been the heat of moment

 

[obedienttogod]

Apology accepted we all have been there bro
Or it could just be that we see things different ways for whatever reason

We always have to be open that maybe we are wrong and see openly. Because if we are wrong it would be sad that we lived our whole life based on something that was not true

I am not talking about you. I have to live that also. That’s why I have been shown I grew up believing things I would have taught for only to find out that they were not true

It it would not be a good idea to think one has been given revelation and one has not. Last I heard we both follow the same spirit and he hopefully is in both of us

AMEN!!

I could not have said this any better!!

 

[obedienttogod]

I never read the book. At the time I was going to his church, I wasn't ready to read about demonic experiences, but I heard about it from others. I was told it was a young woman in jail. Now I am ready so best to tell it truthfully. Lol

I am only recalling the incident with the young boy. There were other examples mentioned in this book. I just vividly remember the boy because there was actual footage you could see. When you see a young African male, typical thin body, and a spot on his body begins to rise like skin being pulled from the body (but this was obvious it was being pushed up and away from inside the boys body) in the shape of a mouth with teeth. And then you can see what looks like bite marks all over this poor boy's body. You never forget it!!

 

[TooFastTurtle]

oh well

join the club, eh?

we are all devils and demonically inspired according to some

just like Jesus! He did say it would happen after all

Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

 

[rubberball]

You are right. But, He gives us things like this just because He loves us.

Where is this found in Scripture?

 

[RickyZ]

Only an ignoramus would make such a remark. So this is purely hypothetical and has nothing to do with the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit.

Except that at least one person has come out in this very thread and said that exact thing.

 

[stonesoffire]

He gives to each as he wills. To SOME Tongues, To SOME the interpretation. And not just by laying on of hand

Uh...yes. That's what I said.

 

[stonesoffire]

Yeah they actually did, People heard them speak their own language

We have differing opinions on how this happened. Am not trying to change your mind. Just stating a fact.

 

[stonesoffire]

Where is this found in Scripture?

I've always been of the opinion that Acts has never been a finished book.