Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit

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Is Joe guilty of blaspheme?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 10.5%

  • No

    Votes: 8 42.1%

  • It's not clear

    Votes: 5 26.3%

  • It doesn't apply

    Votes: 4 21.1%
  • Total voters
    19
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7seasrekeyed

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Macabeus said:
I promised them I wouldn't go back because they practice too many false accusations and when asked for documentation to support their accusations, they ignore you. And then they get mad when someone does the same thing.

I believe in the Perserverance of the saints, which means a Christian will perservere because God preserves them. but one of them said "A CHRISTIAN DOES NOT PERSERVERE" o_Oand others defended the statement

'a Christian does not perservere?" So none of us hold fast our confidence until the end, By the Grace of God, of course"?

I posted several scriptures about perserverance, but it did no good.
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I am not one to depend on a dream for direction or instruction, but the Bible reveals that sometimes God does speak to a person that way

I believe this dream I spoke of is from God because a false gospel is being preached in that thread

it is true that works do not save us and we add nothing to the gift of God. only the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin

as those who understand, we would say be being filled with the Spirit.

so it appears a wind can blow out a candle and the smoke hides the truth from some

I don't make these things up. God speaks plainly and some do not believe what He says.

it is true some do not persevere. an early death may account for that

some have left themself nowhere to hide as the anger and mockery reveal what is inside...as Jesus Himself says it is not what goes into a man, but what comes out

and of course we know the scripture about the tongue...however in this case some are setting their own world on fire
 
Nehemiah6

Nehemiah6

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RickyZ said:
Joe cessationist: "The gifts have ceased and ALL exercise of them is demonic"
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Only an ignoramus would make such a remark. So this is purely hypothetical and has nothing to do with the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit.
 
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obedienttogod

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eternally-gratefull said:
I can not agree with this at all

If you need a miracle to believe? Who seeks after miracles? Or sign? Scripture is clear on that

And paul does not say this at all. Proven by the fact he said he would rather speak 5 words in a known tongue

He said it was unfruitful for a reason. It is, Because it can not edify you at all. A prayer that you know the words, and see the response and have no doubt that it happened as prayed is far more edifying not only to self (personal prayer) But the church as the whole (corporate prayer) which was pauls point.
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No, Paul is specific that he is teaching. And when he is teaching, speaking in a language his audience can understand is much better than speaking 5 words of Tongues that no one can understand.

You really have to believe that Tongues has ceased in order to view these verses like you do. Because your answers reflect that of someone who has literally been brain washed. And that is a typical Baptist Practice. Just like Ty cobb said, I was once thought to have murdered someone, but it does not matter even if I did. Because as a Baptist, I am once saved always saved and can do as I want. That is pure Baptist Brain Washing!! Kind of how I see you interpret scripture. You are brain washed that Tongues has ceased!!
 
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7seasrekeyed

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obedienttogod said:
No, Paul is specific that he is teaching. And when he is teaching, speaking in a language his audience can understand is much better than speaking 5 words of Tongues that no one can understand.
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could not be clearer and even written in the language of any reader

what some perceive of and call a miracle can sometimes be simply 'life in the Spirit'
 
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obedienttogod

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eternally-gratefull said:
I never thought therwise really, It is sad though, We should seek out what the otheer says, Not go out of our way to AUTOMATICALLY say we will disagree, and then go out of my way to prove him wrong.



You have to take the WHOLE passage in context. What paul says later shows what he thinks about this/ It is well known that people were speaking in unknown tongues that were not from God. That is the whole reason paul made this passage to begin with, in an order to attempt to correct the corinthian church.

One again, Paul said later, it is his conclusion that he will speak with knowledge, sing with knowledge otherwise what is spoken is unfruitful

Once again, Is it more fruitful for god to speak in YOUR language, you hear, You also see the result of that prayer in a miracle or some other means that answers that prayer. Or that God tells you in the prayer hs is going to bring someone or something to you and when you see him, Do this.. is there really something wrong with this? It seems by some this is an insult. How is that an insult?

While your right, God can do whatever he wants, no argument here, But God is also going to do things which edify and strengthens us, Not things which cause us to question.

I believe people start to do something they are taught and end up doing it so much and so long that they think it does something it really does not do.. Like the eucharist for example.. The blood and body???? Yet try to explain john 6 to a catholic. You can;t because they have had that belief engrained in them for so long, no one is going to change their mind, and to even say you disagree causes ones defenses to go up and they will never hear anything the other person says, EVEN if what they are telling them is the truth

Sadly. I think all of us have parts of our beliefs which we do this. And I know I had alot I had to break free from. Because God kept working through people to get me to see how wrong my belief was. All I had t do was open my eyes

1 cor 14: 13 Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding.

In conclusion, Paul can not contradict himself. He can not say in one place this is true, then later contradict himself by saying something which apposes what he said to begin with.
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I did take it as a whole passage.
Just like I take things in context of what Yeshua stated.
But, you clearly are not reflecting how the Hebrew/Jews write their letters.
Study that and then go back and reread this passage.
You will see the proper difference then.

What you are reading is how the English translated and formed it into THEIR STYLE of sentence structure.
That is incorrect and you will never see the TRUTH until you know how to actually and properly read the Hebrew writers.
And Paul, someone who knew the Old Testament better than any Disciple, wrote in the format of the Old Scrolls.
But the KJV or today's versions, are not even remotely close to that format and structure.

If you are a student of the word, you must first understand how the WORD was even written!!

You clearly do not, yet...
 
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7seasrekeyed

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obedienttogod said:
I did take it as a whole passage.
Just like I take things in context of what Yeshua stated.
But, you clearly are not reflecting how the Hebrew/Jews write their letters.
Study that and then go back and reread this passage.
You will see the proper difference then.

What you are reading is how the English translated and formed it into THEIR STYLE of sentence structure.
That is incorrect and you will never see the TRUTH until you know how to actually and properly read the Hebrew writers.
And Paul, someone who knew the Old Testament better than any Disciple, wrote in the format of the Old Scrolls.
But the KJV or today's versions, are not even remotely close to that format and structure.

If you are a student of the word, you must first understand how the WORD was even written!!

You clearly do not, yet...
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right

people sometimes forget that a good translation would have the MEANING intact, the intention, the thoughts and ideas

and those same concepts are not always expressed in another language

English, is actually a limited and slimmed down version of language as anyone who speaks another language...say German or French or Italian, will know
 
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eternally-gratefull

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obedienttogod said:
No, Paul is specific that he is teaching. And when he is teaching, speaking in a language his audience can understand is much better than speaking 5 words of Tongues that no one can understand.

You really have to believe that Tongues has ceased in order to view these verses like you do. Because your answers reflect that of someone who has literally been brain washed. And that is a typical Baptist Practice. Just like Ty cobb said, I was once thought to have murdered someone, but it does not matter even if I did. Because as a Baptist, I am once saved always saved and can do as I want. That is pure Baptist Brain Washing!! Kind of how I see you interpret scripture. You are brain washed that Tongues has ceased!!
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See, this just hurts your cause.

Because one does not have to believe tongues has ceased to believe that if someone prays in an unknown tongue that not even he can interpret that something is fishy

That was not even the main thrust of tongues.. So another ad hominem or strawman argument.


And then brainwashed?

Dude whatever, I could say you are brainwashed and thats why you do what you do. But what good will that do.

At least I now know you are like some of your brothers and sisters who when they can not stick to the word have to belittle and attack.

Good day sir.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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obedienttogod said:
I did take it as a whole passage.
Just like I take things in context of what Yeshua stated.
But, you clearly are not reflecting how the Hebrew/Jews write their letters.
Study that and then go back and reread this passage.
You will see the proper difference then.

What you are reading is how the English translated and formed it into THEIR STYLE of sentence structure.
That is incorrect and you will never see the TRUTH until you know how to actually and properly read the Hebrew writers.
And Paul, someone who knew the Old Testament better than any Disciple, wrote in the format of the Old Scrolls.
But the KJV or today's versions, are not even remotely close to that format and structure.

If you are a student of the word, you must first understand how the WORD was even written!!

You clearly do not, yet...
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As I said. Good day sir. It is obvious that OCNVERSATION has ceased, and attack and belittling has started.
 
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obedienttogod

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eternally-gratefull said:
See, this just hurts your cause.

Because one does not have to believe tongues has ceased to believe that if someone prays in an unknown tongue that not even he can interpret that something is fishy

That was not even the main thrust of tongues.. So another ad hominem or strawman argument.


And then brainwashed?

Dude whatever, I could say you are brainwashed and thats why you do what you do. But what good will that do.

At least I now know you are like some of your brothers and sisters who when they can not stick to the word have to belittle and attack.

Good day sir.
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I have no cause. I treat the WORD of God better than I do fine China!! I have a lineage of pastors and Bible teachers I come from that has broken this down for me. I just had to put it to the test and see if it for today.

But anyone raised where Tongues is taught they have ceased, will never believe they are actually still active today. So concerning you, I know what I am facing = men's traditions, brainwashing, and idealisms.

So nothing you say can change my views.

I ALREADY KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR VIEWS ARE OPINIONATED AND WRONG when concerning Tongues!!
 
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obedienttogod

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eternally-gratefull said:
As I said. Good day sir. It is obvious that OCNVERSATION has ceased, and attack and belittling has started.
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No, all you see is someone who knows what you believe better than you do yourself!!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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obedienttogod said:
I have no cause. I treat the WORD of God better than I do fine China!! I have a lineage of pastors and Bible teachers I come from that has broken this down for me. I just had to put it to the test and see if it for today.

But anyone raised where Tongues is taught they have ceased, will never believe they are actually still active today. So concerning you, I know what I am facing = men's traditions, brainwashing, and idealisms.

So nothing you say can change my views.

I ALREADY KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR VIEWS ARE OPINIONATED AND WRONG when concerning Tongues!!
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Thats ok

On a non salvic issue, abd you come in here like this. You are arrogant. And thus even if you are right, you will not convince someone to see things your way. You do not even know what I believe, and you porved it by saying i MUST be a ceasassionist (I am not)

So again, you destroyed your own argument by proving yourself to be dishonest, and then having to attack someone who disagrees with you


Go ahead and live in your world.

Again, Good day sir.. If you want to continue to attack, feel free. The more you do. The more you HURT your own cause.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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obedienttogod said:
No, all you see is someone who knows what you believe better than you do yourself!!
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Well there you have it people

Another know it all. Another arrogant person who thinks he is God himself. He is so smart he knows what people believe

No wonder people look at christianity as a joke, this is the type of people they look at and say, yep another know it all christian.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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obedienttogod said:
No, all you see is someone who knows what you believe better than you do yourself!!
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By the way

Can I ask WHY you are in a bible disccussion forum when you abviously have NO INTENTION of discussing the word?
 
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obedienttogod

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eternally-gratefull said:
Thats ok

On a non salvic issue, abd you come in here like this. You are arrogant. And thus even if you are right, you will not convince someone to see things your way. You do not even know what I believe, and you porved it by saying i MUST be a ceasassionist (I am not)

So again, you destroyed your own argument by proving yourself to be dishonest, and then having to attack someone who disagrees with you


Go ahead and live in your world.

Again, Good day sir.. If you want to continue to attack, feel free. The more you do. The more you HURT your own cause.
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NO, i was called part of the DEVIL for speaking in Tongues!!
I have the right to stand up for what is actually the TRUTH, whether you like it or not.

If I called you part of the Devil, you would not like it especially if you had 5 others joining me to attack you.

I never once said your beliefs are of the DEVIL or that you are going to hell.

If I am not allowed to defend myself, when it requires the powers of hell to manipulate a believer to believe another believer is of the DEVIL. Then I am just showing that My God Yahweh does not matter!!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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obedienttogod said:
NO, i was called part of the DEVIL for speaking in Tongues!!
I have the right to stand up for what is actually the TRUTH, whether you like it or not.

If I called you part of the Devil, you would not like it especially if you had 5 others joining me to attack you.

I never once said your beliefs are of the DEVIL or that you are going to hell.

If I am not allowed to defend myself, when it requires the powers of hell to manipulate a believer to believe another believer is of the DEVIL. Then I am just showing that My God Yahweh does not matter!!
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1. I never called you anything
2. Yet you attack me. That is not defending yourself that’s bull
3. You interpret 1 cot 14.2 based on what you think it says. I interpret it based on what I see Paul say later. This our difference is interpretational
4 yet again You attack me

Again why are you here. If you are going to discuss the word people are going to disagree with you if that offends you or makes you feel attacked. I suggest you go someplace else because it makes you look bad

Finally. As god says vengeance is mine he does not need you to defend him by attacking other people who disagree with you

But sadly a select few of you feel this way and this is how you respond

That’s sad. You attack while claiming your attacked (based solely on a disagreement) you know what they call that?

I pray you see that soon man.

I have changed my view on quite a few things because I have opened my eyes and stopped being proud (tongues is one area I have changed). If your unreachable. Or are offended because people disagree with you Your in trouble
 
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7seasrekeyed

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obedienttogod said:
NO, i was called part of the DEVIL for speaking in Tongues!!
I have the right to stand up for what is actually the TRUTH, whether you like it or not.

If I called you part of the Devil, you would not like it especially if you had 5 others joining me to attack you.

I never once said your beliefs are of the DEVIL or that you are going to hell.

If I am not allowed to defend myself, when it requires the powers of hell to manipulate a believer to believe another believer is of the DEVIL. Then I am just showing that My God Yahweh does not matter!!
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oh well

join the club, eh?

we are all devils and demonically inspired according to some

just like Jesus! He did say it would happen after all
 
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obedienttogod

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eternally-gratefull said:
1. I never called you anything
2. Yet you attack me. That is not defending yourself that’s bull
3. You interpret 1 cot 14.2 based on what you think it says. I interpret it based on what I see Paul say later. This our difference is interpretational
4 yet again You attack me

Again why are you here. If you are going to discuss the word people are going to disagree with you if that offends you or makes you feel attacked. I suggest you go someplace else because it makes you look bad

Finally. As god says vengeance is mine he does not need you to defend him by attacking other people who disagree with you

But sadly a select few of you feel this way and this is how you respond

That’s sad. You attack while claiming your attacked (based solely on a disagreement) you know what they call that?

I pray you see that soon man.

I have changed my view on quite a few things because I have opened my eyes and stopped being proud (tongues is one area I have changed). If your unreachable. Or are offended because people disagree with you Your in trouble
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I apologize if you feel I am attacking you.
I should take in proper context that not everyone will read the SAME VERSE and see the SAME RESULTS.
Typically, that means one has more insight or has been given a deeper revelation.
But nonetheless, we disagree on this matter and always will.
I am not trying to convert you, nor is it possible for you to convert me.
But either way, YOU NOR ME is a part of the DEVIL!!
 
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obedienttogod

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I need to log to do mid day chores. Shall return soon.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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obedienttogod said:
I apologize if you feel I am attacking you.
I should take in proper context that not everyone will read the SAME VERSE and see the SAME RESULTS.
Typically, that means one has more insight or has been given a deeper revelation.
But nonetheless, we disagree on this matter and always will.
I am not trying to convert you, nor is it possible for you to convert me.
But either way, YOU NOR ME is a part of the DEVIL!!
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Apology accepted we all have been there bro
Or it could just be that we see things different ways for whatever reason

We always have to be open that maybe we are wrong and see openly. Because if we are wrong it would be sad that we lived our whole life based on something that was not true

I am not talking about you. I have to live that also. That’s why I have been shown I grew up believing things I would have taught for only to find out that they were not true

It it would not be a good idea to think one has been given revelation and one has not. Last I heard we both follow the same spirit and he hopefully is in both of us
 
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