Baptism

[Thunderrr-mental]

We'll just have to disagree about when a person hears. The natural man cannot hear with spiritual understanding and until this spiritual understanding is present, he will never come to understand his lost condition before God. As this is true, I believe it will always be necessary for God to act before man will respond. I believe Romans 3 bears this out.
As far as judgment goes, there are 2 kinds of judgment. One deals with eternity. And the only thing that matters in this judgment is whether or not one is in Christ. Those in Christ have passed from death to life and will not be judged. All not in Christ will be cast into the Lake of Fire.
There is another judgment for believers. It doesn't involve eternity itself, but rewards in eternity. Here, the Christian's works will be evaluated and either be burnt up or accrue rewards in eternity.

it's back to front Cameron the natural man with his stone blessed inwardly hears inwardly just as much as the spiritual man with his blessing and his stone blessed inwardly hears.


The difference is one stone get enabled after believing.

The commandments Cameron are for everyone saved and unsaved

The lord your God told all people to believe with all there heart in the bible.

It means you have to believe in your heart.

And not understand in the mind.

It called tying a message to your heart Cameron.

Just like how you have tied all your understandings to your heart and so I.

We can't both be right here

But where both tying a message to our heart as we have heard but may have not seeked understanding.

But with our disagreement one is saved and one is not.

It can't be like that Cameron.

As you can have a wrong understanding in your heart and still be saved.

 

[Cameron143]

it's back to front Cameron the natural man with his stone blessed inwardly hears inwardly just as much as the spiritual man with his blessing and his stone blessed inwardly hears.


The difference is one stone get enabled after believing.

The commandments Cameron are for everyone saved and unsaved

The lord your God told all people to believe with all there heart in the bible.

It means you have to believe in your heart.

And not understand in the mind.

It called tying a message to your heart Cameron.

Just like how you have tied all your understandings to your heart and so I.

We can't both be right here

But where both tying a message to our heart as we have heard but may have not seeked understanding.

But with our disagreement one is saved and one is not.

It can't be like that Cameron.

As you can have a wrong understanding in your heart and still be saved.

I understand your point of view. I simply disagree with it. The natural man has a heart of stone. In Acts 2:37 we see both hearing and the pricking of the heart. This is the circumcision of the heart wherein the heart of stone is removed and the heart of flesh is given...Ezekiel 36:26.
Both occur before a saving response is done by those who were saved.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I understand your point of view. I simply disagree with it. The natural man has a heart of stone. In Acts 2:37 we see both hearing and the pricking of the heart. This is the circumcision of the heart wherein the heart of stone is removed and the heart of flesh is given...Ezekiel 36:26.
Both occur before a saving response is done by those who were saved.

it's still a stone
Cameron

The stone that is in the book of life

Every stone is in the book of life and will remain if it's clothed in white garment. It's also the stone that was rejected Jesus the stone
By idiots

You can't reject it cam
.you have to bless it

It's called the book of life cam it's his life his stone

It's not the book of name. 😊

 

[Cameron143]

it's still a stone
Cameron

The stone that is in the book of life

Every stone is in the book of life and will remain if it's clothed in white garment. It's also the stone that was rejected Jesus the stone
By idiots

You can't reject it cam
.you have to bless it

It's called the book of life cam it's his life his stone

It's not the book of name. 😊

The point is that it isn't stoney and impenetrable anymore, but soft and pliable. It's the difference between a hard and impertinent heart and a humble and contrite one that the Lord will not despise.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

The point is that it isn't stoney and impenetrable anymore, but soft and pliable. It's the difference between a hard and impertinent heart and a humble and contrite one that the Lord will not despise.

Well thats a point Cameron

But is it true

Jesus was the stone that became the chief corner stone

Really dwell on the word became cameron

Take it the lord like I have and Dwell in that one meaning for hours on end.

 

[Cameron143]

Well thats a point Cameron

But is it true

Jesus was the stone that became the chief corner stone

Really dwell on the word became cameron

Take it the lord like I have and Dwell in that one meaning for hours on end.

The stone being spoken of as the cornerstone deals with a foundational stone. It is not speaking about the heart. These are 2 separate matters.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

The stone being spoken of as the cornerstone deals with a foundational stone. It is not speaking about the heart. These are 2 separate matters.

Well it's good to question cam.

you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house.

The stone in the book of life cam before it becomes more precious, ie .the heart of stone


Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God;


I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart

The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone

The stone in the book of life your life Cameron was also a heart of stone.


Revelation

New King James Version



He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. All hearts of stone in the book of life


A heart of stone is still his life Cameron

And every life on earth has life from heaven

As the book of life is in heaven Cameron

It's called the book of life Cameron not the book of name.


All life was created in heaven first in one man Adam, is called his life the stone a heavenly stone.

Life first created in heaven before was created on earth, look


So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it.

 

[Cameron143]

Well it's good to question cam.

you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house[

The stone in the book of life cam before it becomes more precious


Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God;


I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart

The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone

The stone in the book of life your life Cameron was also a heart of stone.


Revelation

New King James Version



He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. All hearts of stone in the book of life


A heart of stone is still his life Cameron

And every life on earth has life from heaven

As the book of life is in heaven Cameron

It's called the book of life Cameron not the book of name.


All life was created in heaven first in one man Adam, is called his life the stone a heavenly stone.

Life first created in heaven before was created on earth, look


So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it.

We disagree here.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

We disagree here.

no don't disagree with me

Disagree with God.

Take it to God for weeks like I did.

But something is for you.

I'm not taking nothing from you.

I'm giving you something.

What I would do is place each understanding in your waiting in silence and see if the lord speaks 😊

Ask him is my stone your stone

Just ask him and wait

Ask him was my heart of stone in the book of life

Just ask him and wait.

 

[Cameron143]

no don't disagree with me

Disagree with God.

Take it to God for weeks like I did.

But something is for you.

I'm not taking nothing from you.

I'm giving you something.

What I would do is place each understanding in your waiting in silence and see if the lord speaks 😊

Ask him is my stone your stone

Just ask him and wait

Ask him was my heart of stone in the book of life

Just ask him and wait.

I appreciate your heart towards me; however, your assumption about me is incorrect. I'm already receptive to the voice of God and seeking further understanding all the time. I've learned alot from any number of sources on this site. And while my heart was once stoney, it is no longer. And the stone that is spoken of as the cornerstone is a reference to Christ as the foundation of the church. It has nothing to do directly with the transformation of the heart as a part of salvation.

 

[Wansvic]

So the Jesus you trust for eternal salvation needs the help of another person to complete the process of saving you.
The Jesus I trust had all the power necessary to save me. He did not need my help nor anyone else's.
I guess my Jesus is stronger than yours.
No need to continue this.

Of course it's totally up to you whether to reply or not but I'm curious about something.

What do you believe Ananias meant, if not, that sins are washed away when people obey the command to be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus?


"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

The best way to baptized. Any teaching on this please

Go to where water is, AND BE IMMERSED IN IT.

Next question???

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I appreciate your heart towards me; however, your assumption about me is incorrect. I'm already receptive to the voice of God and seeking further understanding all the time. I've learned alot from any number of sources on this site. And while my heart was once stoney, it is no longer. And the stone that is spoken of as the cornerstone is a reference to Christ as the foundation of the church. It has nothing to do directly with the transformation of the heart as a part of salvation.

Oh here we go lol.

Bear hugs again

Look at this.

I asked you to take a new message to God.

Now this is from elders,.this a gift for you.

So now you understand yes...

Ask God if your heart of stone was in the book of life, just ask him.

Wait for a while see if he answers.

And tell me message.

Ask him is your stone his stone.

Have you ever asked him this.

 

[Cameron143]

Oh here we go lol.

Bear hugs again

Look at this.

I asked you to take a new message to God.

Now this is from elders,.this a gift for you.

So now you understand yes...

Ask God if your heart of stone was in the book of life, just ask him.

Wait for a while see if he answers.

And tell me message.

Ask him is your stone his stone.

Have you ever asked him this.

I've read all you have written. If there is a message for me in it, I feel quite confident that God will make it known to me.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I've read all you have written. If there is a message for me in it, I feel quite confident that God will make it known to me.

Well isn't that what you do,

I mean make known Gods wisdom has gave to you.

Why you think weekly meeting where held amongst the elders.

Why you think people share there wisdom.

Do we share it to say you don't know.

It's not like this.

Not for me.


I can withhold the wisdom i receive from God on his instruction.
If my gift is not received.

Or if I take what anyone has said to the lord he can tell me to withhold and just ask a question.

He chains my heart that way.

His ways and judgement are sound that way.

If I go to the alter of the lord.

And I place a concern about brothers on his heart.

He will say give him this gift, a gift of wisdom.

You know to be reconciled with his children is a gift he loves as it's in his name.

This is also seeking in prophecy in love, there is a role for love in prophecy

If i seek this gift he gives wisdom.

 

[Wansvic]

Are you sure that Christ commanded baptism in water?

Where it is written?

Baptism into the name of Christ not necessarily baptism in water

Baptism into the name of Christ should be done by Spirit

Whoever will be baptized saved will be

That's about spiritual baptism

Not water

My confidence is in the word of God. So, yes, I am sure baptism in the name of Jesus is water baptism because scripture reveals it is. Again, the accounts record individuals having two separate experiences;

1. Water baptism in the name of Jesus.
2. Receiving the Holy Spirit.


I shared the scriptures that confirm this, but include them again for your review:

"...be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost" Acts 2:38


"...Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost...." Acts 8


"...on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord." Acts 10

Paul said, "that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them;..." Acts 19

 

[Wansvic]

Are you sure that Christ commanded baptism in water?

Where it is written?
...

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matt 28:19-20

The apostles obeyed Jesus command and water baptized people in the name of Jesus as recorded in the Book of Acts.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

On a hot summer day in a cold river.
On a wintry day inside where the water is warm.

My Wife was baptized outside in October in a lake in Massachusetts when it was about 40 degrees out. BUT couldn't join a Baptist Church, because an Assembly of God pastor had performed it.

 

[DRobinson]

Of course it's totally up to you whether to reply or not but I'm curious about something.

What do you believe Ananias meant, if not, that sins are washed away when people obey the command to be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus?


"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

Baptism emerged from the Jewish ritualistic practice during the second temple period that was a sign of their being clean from sin.
Baptism has always been a symbol of what has already taken place.
Paul was a Pharisee. They placed the emphasis on keep the law as they defined it.
John baptized as a sign to the Pharisees that the one baptized was truly clean from his sin by his faith in the Messiah.
Ananias was telling Paul he need to make a public statement that he no longer trusted in the Law of the Pharisees but had placed his hope for eternal life in Jesus Christ, the Messiah.
Baptism is and always been a public statement of one's faith in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord.
Jesus set the example. He was sinless and did not need his sins washed away,
We are to follow Jesus example after we have been cleansed by His blood by our faith.
If you are trusting in this symbol for the washing away of your sins you have put your faith in the wrong thing and has gained you nothing in the eyes of the Father.
Show me one scripture where Jesus instructed anyone to be baptized to have their sins forgiven.

 

[DRobinson]

Baptism emerged from the Jewish ritualistic practice during the second temple period that was a sign of their being clean from sin.
Baptism has always been a symbol of what has already taken place.
Paul was a Pharisee. They placed the emphasis on keep the law as they defined it.
John baptized as a sign to the Pharisees that the one baptized was truly clean from his sin by his faith in the Messiah.
Ananias was telling Paul he need to make a public statement that he no longer trusted in the Law of the Pharisees but had placed his hope for eternal life in Jesus Christ, the Messiah.
Baptism is and always been a public statement of one's faith in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord.
Jesus set the example. He was sinless and did not need his sins washed away,
We are to follow Jesus example after we have been cleansed by His blood by our faith.
If you are trusting in this symbol for the washing away of your sins you have put your faith in the wrong thing and has gained you nothing in the eyes of the Father.
Show me one scripture where Jesus instructed anyone to be baptized to have their sins forgiven.

I intended to add that John demanded proof from the Pharisees that they had repented and trusted in the Messiah before he would baptize them when they came to him.