Baptism

[Chaps]

My Wife was baptized outside in October in a lake in Massachusetts when it was about 40 degrees out. BUT couldn't join a Baptist Church, because an Assembly of God pastor had performed it.

This is quite unfortunate. Baptism is about identifying oneself with Christ, repenting of sins and making Christ the Lord of our life. It is not about identifying with a denomination. As Paul points out in 1 Corinthians 1

1 Corinthians 1:12–15 (ESV): What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name.

Baptism is supposed to unify us since we are all baptized into one name. Those who see baptism as a cause for division based on who is doing the baptizing have not only misunderstood it, but are in danger of dividing the body of Christ. Paul compares this kind of division as destroying the Temple of God. A very dangerous proposition!

1 Corinthians 3:16–17 (ESV): Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.

 

[Chaps]

I intended to add that John demanded proof from the Pharisees that they had repented and trusted in the Messiah before he would baptize them when they came to him.

I find it interesting that one of the things that angered Jesus about the Pharisees is they refused to be baptized by John.

Matthew 21:24–32 (ESV): Jesus answered them, “I also will ask you one question, and if you tell me the answer, then I also will tell you by what authority I do these things. 25 The baptism of John, from where did it come? From heaven or from man?” And they discussed it among themselves, saying, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ he will say to us, ‘Why then did you not believe him?’ 26 But if we say, ‘From man,’ we are afraid of the crowd, for they all hold that John was a prophet.” 27 So they answered Jesus, “We do not know.” And he said to them, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I do these things.
28 “What do you think? A man had two sons. And he went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work in the vineyard today.’ 29 And he answered, ‘I will not,’ but afterward he changed his mind and went. 30 And he went to the other son and said the same. And he answered, ‘I go, sir,’ but did not go. 31 Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said, “The first.” Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into the kingdom of God before you. 32 For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes believed him. And even when you saw it, you did not afterward change your minds and believe him.

If John’s baptism was from heaven and Christ denounced those who rejected it, how much more should we submit to Christ’s command to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.?! I find it incredibly concerning when Christians claim that this baptism is unnecessary and a means of “works based righteousness.”

 

[obertarti]

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matt 28:19-20

The apostles obeyed Jesus command and water baptized people in the name of Jesus as recorded in the Book of Acts.

Baptize them in water of life-by name of Christ

Why it is water not water of life?

What I have I give you!

Not river water

 

[obertarti]

yes your living in denial

Denial what is not true?

YES

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Denial what is not true?

YES

😊

Are you English.

You look like you struggle with the English language sometimes.


I myself struggle sometimes.

 

[DRobinson]

I find it interesting that one of the things that angered Jesus about the Pharisees is they refused to be baptized by John.



If John’s baptism was from heaven and Christ denounced those who rejected it, how much more should we submit to Christ’s command to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.?! I find it incredibly concerning when Christians claim that this baptism is unnecessary and a means of “works based righteousness.”

It is not necessary for salvation but it is necessary if we are to surrender to God's will and enjoy all the blessings He has for us.

 

[obertarti]

😊

Are you English.

You look like you struggle with the English language sometimes.


I myself struggle sometimes.

English is second language to me

But it is not struggling

I do not like bubbles
Short and precigic like bible text

NO extra words for diviation from sense of line discussion

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

English is second language to me

But it is not struggling

I do not like bubbles
Short and precigic like bible text

NO extra words for diviation from sense of line discussion

What is dangerous about being baptised in water.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

It is not necessary for salvation but it is necessary if we are to surrender to God's will and enjoy all the blessings He has for us.

To be baptised in water is to be baptised into the Christs new covenant


You can not make one hair black or white

Let your yes be yes and your no be no.

You can not say a commandment is not necessary.

If you have a problem with a brother go and be reconciled to him first then come and leave your gift at the alter 😊


Elohim 😊

 

[Chaps]

It is not necessary for salvation but it is necessary if we are to surrender to God's will and enjoy all the blessings He has for us.

Not trying to be contrary, but just to be clear.… are you suggesting that people can be saved without surrendering to God’s will?

 

[Wansvic]

Baptism emerged from the Jewish ritualistic practice during the second temple period that was a sign of their being clean from sin.
Baptism has always been a symbol of what has already taken place.
Paul was a Pharisee. They placed the emphasis on keep the law as they defined it.
John baptized as a sign to the Pharisees that the one baptized was truly clean from his sin by his faith in the Messiah.
Ananias was telling Paul he need to make a public statement that he no longer trusted in the Law of the Pharisees but had placed his hope for eternal life in Jesus Christ, the Messiah.
Baptism is and always been a public statement of one's faith in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord.
Jesus set the example. He was sinless and did not need his sins washed away,
We are to follow Jesus example after we have been cleansed by His blood by our faith.
If you are trusting in this symbol for the washing away of your sins you have put your faith in the wrong thing and has gained you nothing in the eyes of the Father.
Show me one scripture where Jesus instructed anyone to be baptized to have their sins forgiven.

Your understanding does not line up with the word. The idea water baptism in the name of Jesus is done as a public display is found no where in scripture .And Jesus said everyone will be judged by the word. The word is clear, Ananias told Paul to be baptized to wash away his sins, not to make a public statement.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

My Wife was baptized outside in October in a lake in Massachusetts when it was about 40 degrees out. BUT couldn't join a Baptist Church, because an Assembly of God pastor had performed it.

I've heard stories like this before. Incredibly sad. I am just thankful it did not deter your Wife from serving God.

 

[Wansvic]

I intended to add that John demanded proof from the Pharisees that they had repented and trusted in the Messiah before he would baptize them when they came to him.

John was sent to declare the soon coming Messiah and introduce the baptism of repentance for remission of sin. Those who were baptized of John did so to have their sins remitted. They had no idea who the Messiah was at that point.

 

[DRobinson]

Ephesians 2:8,9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourself: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, least any man should boast.
Baptism is a work that requires a second person to administer the baptizing to tho one who is saved by grace through faith.
To say a second person is necessary to complete the saving of a person is saying The gift is not enough, that Jesus death on the cross is not enough, that the blood of Jesus is not enough to cleanse a person from sin,
that we must help, and we must find a second person to complete what Jesus could not do
If you wish to place your hope for eternal life in the works of another person, then have at it.
My hope is in Jesus and Jesus only.
I was baptized in water BECAUSE I was saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and wanted to do His will,
NOT BECAUSE IT IS NECESSARY for my salvation.
Enough said.

 

[Wansvic]

Baptize them in water of life-by name of Christ

Why it is water not water of life?

What I have I give you!

Not river water

Since God is the one that baptizes with the Holy Spirit we know Jesus was talking about water baptism:
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matt 28:19-20

 

[Robertt]

One thing never changes . People disagree on so much doctrine . And all opinions have bible verses to back them up

Just as a word of advice
Even the devil quoted scripture to Christ , no twisting of the word , just taken out of context of the whole bible , the Lord had to explain it all to the devil .

So when seeking answers to questions , be careful of just taking a scripture or two or more . Pray about the question and wait on the Lord . If you never get am answer from Him then you need to decide where your faith is based . Or perhaps the Lord on judgement day will speak and say “ I knew you not “

 

[obertarti]

Since God is the one that baptizes with the Holy Spirit we know Jesus was talking about water baptism:
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matt 28:19-20

This is single passage
Nowhere else mentioned baptism in three unknown names

Why it is not possible make basement from this passage for anything
Basement can be manifold sayings through the scripture about single point

And this is baptism into the name of Christ and baptism into Christ

First it is two -water baptism and Spirit baptism

Later it is one -in the name of the Christ into Christ by Spirit

 

[Wansvic]

This is single passage
Nowhere else mentioned baptism in three unknown names

Why it is not possible make basement from this passage for anything
Basement can be manifold sayings through the scripture about single point

And this is baptism into the name of Christ and baptism into Christ

First it is two -water baptism and Spirit baptism

Later it is one -in the name of the Christ into Christ by Spirit

Jesus is referring to using His name in water baptism. This is confirmed by the accounts of water baptisms administered by Jesus' apostles. Jesus said the Bible is what all will be judged by. And the Bible records receiving the Holy Spirit AND being water baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin are required. You may want to take a second look at the scriptures: Acts 2:4, 33, 38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16.

Thanks for the discussion.

 

[obertarti]

Jesus is referring to using His name in water baptism. This is confirmed by the accounts of water baptisms administered by Jesus' apostles. Jesus said the Bible is what all will be judged by. And the Bible records receiving the Holy Spirit AND being water baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin are required. You may want to take a second look at the scriptures: Acts 2:4, 33, 38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16.

Thanks for the discussion.

Jesus is referring to using His name in water baptism. This is confirmed by the accounts of water baptisms administered by Jesus' apostles. Jesus said the Bible is what all will be judged by. And the Bible records receiving the Holy Spirit AND being water baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin are required. You may want to take a second look at the scriptures: Acts 2:4, 33, 38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16.

Thanks for the discussion.

Jesus said also this-
New International Version
And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit

Why apostles will not do the same to all believers?

 

[Wansvic]

Jesus said also this-
New International Version
And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit

Why apostles will not do the same to all believers?

God is the giver of His Spirit.