Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

[Aidan1]

A sign of the end times in apostasy, before your eyes

It seems so. It is to see that almost All Christian denominations grow together connectet with the charismatic und pentecistal movements, what is called oekomene.
I know denominations which were 30 years ago against charismatic teachings ore woman pastorship became open for this teachings today.

 

[CS1]

That people are missuesing and ignoring the word of God since it was written is not New.
And you can find in any denomination. There is non which is 100% correct in teaching.

Your view is wide agreed in christianity and World. But is still not what the bible says about woman pastorship.

Including you. I love how those like you lambast other denominations but you most likely won't even sit under a church leadership because you are prideful and arrogant. I willing to bet you don't even attend one church but go to more than one depending on who you think is more biblical that Sunday. Most of those like you are rebels. Don't support the local church but attack it. Everyone is wrong but you. it's called a religious spirit one of a pharisee.

 

[101G]

Only one who does not read the Scripture would need a rebuttal as God said in
1 Timothy 3:1-2.............
"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach".

I guess that is too difficult for some.

GINOLJC, to all,

What if a Woman desire the Office of Bishop? see how your argument is from Ignorance?

and two, Paul was a Bishop/Pastor/Overseer..... so did that disqualify Paul? the husband of one wife, which Paul had none?

see, you are only arguing from ignorance.

now the last straw that breaks you argument back. listen, Romans 16:3 "Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:"
here the term "HELPERS" is the Greek word, G4904 συνεργός sunergos (sïn-er-ğos') adj.
a co-laborer, i.e. coadjutor.
[from a presumed compound of G4862 and the base of G2041]
KJV: companion in labour, (fellow-)helper(-labourer, -worker), labourer together with, workfellow

so Major, do you know what a "coadjutor" is? listen, a bishop appointed to assist a diocesan bishop, and often also designated as his successor. please google "coadjutor", and see what it means.... ok, and the woman, the wife of the man Aquila .... " Priscilla" is that, A BISHOP with her HUSBAND, both was "HELPERS", co-laborer, i.e. coadjutor. BISHOPS

see how your arguments goes counterfactual to the Word of God. some time look up words... ok.

PICJAG,
101G

 

[Aidan1]

Including you. I love how those like you lambast other denominations but you most likely won't even sit under a church leadership because you are prideful and arrogant. I willing to bet you don't even attend one church but go to more than one depending on who you think is more biblical that Sunday. Most of those like you are rebels. Don't support the local church but attack it. Everyone is wrong but you. it's called a religious spirit one of a pharisee.

Then please tell me one Single denomination which is 100% correct in their teaching. This is not for to blame. Its simply an fact.
Of course you can attacking me. But this changes nothing on this fact.

 

[Major]

GINOLJC, to all,

What if a Woman desire the Office of Bishop? see how your argument is from Ignorance?

and two, Paul was a Bishop/Pastor/Overseer..... so did that disqualify Paul? the husband of one wife, which Paul had none?

see, you are only arguing from ignorance.

now the last straw that breaks you argument back. listen, Romans 16:3 "Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:"
here the term "HELPERS" is the Greek word, G4904 συνεργός sunergos (sïn-er-ğos') adj.
a co-laborer, i.e. coadjutor.
[from a presumed compound of G4862 and the base of G2041]
KJV: companion in labour, (fellow-)helper(-labourer, -worker), labourer together with, workfellow

so Major, do you know what a "coadjutor" is? listen, a bishop appointed to assist a diocesan bishop, and often also designated as his successor. please google "coadjutor", and see what it means.... ok, and the woman, the wife of the man Aquila .... " Priscilla" is that, A BISHOP with her HUSBAND, both was "HELPERS", co-laborer, i.e. coadjutor. BISHOPS

see how your arguments goes counterfactual to the Word of God. some time look up words... ok.

PICJAG,
101G

GINOLJC???????

I guess that means something to YOU but not to me so it was a waste of your time.


What if a woman desires the office of a Bishop??????? .............
So what!!!!!! If God says NO then what does it matter what anyone wants??? Talk about "Ignorant" !!!


Then you posted this.........
"Romans 16:3 "Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:"
here the term "HELPERS" is the Greek word, G4904 συνεργός sunergos (sïn-er-ğos') adj.
a co-laborer, i.e. coadjutor.
[from a presumed compound of G4862 and the base of G2041]
KJV: companion in labour, (fellow-)helper(-labourer, -worker), labourer together with, workfellow"

A coadjutor bishop (or bishop coadjutor) is a bishop in the Catholic religion.

If YOU would like to start a thread on the UNBIBLICAL Catholic teachings, I would be glad to join in.

And YOU have the audacity to call other people ignorant???
WHERE in all of that doe we read that Priscilla and Aquila were ORDAINED PASTORS??????

Why don't you give up this silly back and forth......you are embarrassing yourself my friend.

 

[Major]

How many male ministers of the Congregational denomination had already abandoned the fundamental doctrines of the bible in favour of the new enlightenment movement of that time, there is no more Congregationalist they are now the United Reformed Church which seeks to unite all religions, all that began long before any woman was ordained a minister.

You would need to prove to me that the manner in which ministers are ordained, the process by which they make themselves candidates for ordination, is truly scriptural within the denominations ... I think not.

And here I say, let the men be subject to Christ before they insist that women be subject to them.

Evangelicals are not led by many who can show their calling ... they opted [a great many] for church leadership because they did not want to work in construction.

This is the truth.

A coadjutor bishop (or bishop coadjutor) is a bishop in the Catholic,
You prove to me that present church structures within any of the Evangelical churches is upon bible lines.

I do not have to prove one single thing to you my friend. YOU are free to stick to your AOG denominational teachings and I will stick with the Word of God!

I simple gave you the 1st date of an ordained woman. I do not care even one little bit about the Congregational Church or the AOG church for that matter. That was not the point of the info given to you.

The thread says what GOD said about women Pastors.

YOU eithe agree with GOD or you stand on your denominational doctrine.

It is just that simple.

 

[Major]

So you see the Bishop must be married?

I see NOTHING!

You people keep using the words "YOU".

I posed what GOD said. Why don't YOU ask Him if HE meant woman instead of MAN when He had Paul write those words.

Maybe God did not know about the word woman so He had PAUL use the word MAN and HUSBAND!
God said........."HE must be the HUSBAND of one wife, managing his family well".

In my simple, common sense mind, I think that when God said that a Bishop must be a married MAN, that is what HE meant.

Now......since you asked that in order to pose your next question which will be......THEN WHY DOES PAUL QUALIFY AS A PASTOR?

There are NO Scriptures that say Paul was a church Pastor. There are many that say he was a church PLANTER but none which say he was a PASTOR.

Then you will ask.....Could Jesus be a church Pastor.

The church was not in operation when Jesus was alive here on the earth. The 1st church did not beging for 3 months after the death of Jesus so the question has NO application.

 

[Major]

Evangelicals have been ignoring the Word of God for more than perhaps 2 centuries and nowhere more than in the area of church governance.

And the AOG has lead the way!

Women Pastors.
Speaking in tongues.
Teaching a 2nd blessing.
Insisting on water baptisms.
Physical healings are demanded.
Miracles are expected.
God wants you to be rich.

And.....your responce about ignoring the Word of God has nothing to do with the thread of Women not being pastors according to the WORD OF GOD!

 

[CS1]

Then please tell me one Single denomination which is 100% correct in their teaching. This is not for to blame. Its simply an fact.
Of course you can attacking me. But this changes nothing on this fact.

Please tell me where you are 100% correct? Please tell me what church you go to faithfully and support? Please tell me ?

 

[Major]

Please tell me where you are 100% correct? Please tell me what church you go to faithfully and support? Please tell me ?

I can only tell you what the Bible says. The Bible IS 100% CORRECT! The Bible says in 1 Timothy 3:1-2...........
"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach"

Do YOU think that is what GOD SAID???? Do YOU think I said that or do you think that God called me and asked me what I thought????

What GOD SAID is 100% CORRECT!!!!

All I can respond to your question is.......I believe and accept what GOD SAID!

Not that you need to know and not that it matters one little bit, but I attend a Southern Baptist Church. That church has a WOMAN song leader, a WOMAN treasurer, a several WOMAN Bible study teachers but NO ORDAINED WOMEN as Pastors or DEACONS.

And on top of that, because that church has had about 50 years old solid BIBLE preaching, not one single WOMAN would accept the office of Pastor or Deacon because they know what the Word of God actually says!

 

[Aidan1]

Please tell me where you are 100% correct? Please tell me what church you go to faithfully and support? Please tell me ?

I am not 100 % right in the theologie of the bible. Thats why i dont discuss about some issues.
Honestly I am member of an russian german Baptist church. No, present I cant support their teaching, because they are open for charismatic teachings and also they tend to relativate the scriptures according their view.
F.e. they hold the values for an eldest in 1. TIM 3 and Titus 1 to high and adding some other values.

 

[Aidan1]

Please tell me where you are 100% correct? Please tell me what church you go to faithfully and support? Please tell me ?

Well, i cant find in the bible a hint ore any proof that woman pastors are biblical.
In this i am 100% shure. Because the bible dont teach it.

 

[Dino246]

Well, i cant find in the bible a hint ore any proof that woman pastors are biblical.
In this i am 100% shure. Because the bible dont teach it.

Can you find any evidence of gentile men being pastors in the Bible? If not, then gentile men should not be pastors either.

Use ONE standard for men AND women, not one standard for men and a different standard for women.

 

[Aidan1]

Can you find any evidence of gentile men being pastors in the Bible? If not, then gentile men should not be pastors either.

Use ONE standard for men AND women, not one standard for men and a different standard for women.

Well, Titus was in charge to ordain in crete eldest in every City. It is not shure, but I suggest that this were gentile churches. But it is of course possible that some former jews were among them.

 

[Aidan1]

Can you find any evidence of gentile men being pastors in the Bible? If not, then gentile men should not be pastors either.

Use ONE standard for men AND women, not one standard for men and a different standard for women.

Well, according this it is not fair then, that only woman can deliver children but men not.
It seems that God is ueseing different standarts for man and women. In the same way he gave for them different dutys.
But both have the same value in front of God.

So indepent therecis to find a proof for gentile pastors ore not. This is a different matter in casexof the OP theme.
Because the Man is mentioned to become eldest/pastor, but woman not.

 

[Dino246]

Well, according this it is not fair then, that only woman can deliver children but men not.
It seems that God is ueseing different standarts for man and women. In the same way he gave for them different dutys.
But both have the same value in front of God.

So indepent therecis to find a proof for gentile pastors ore not. This is a different matter in casexof the OP theme.
Because the Man is mentioned to become eldest/pastor, but woman not.

So you can't actually admit that your standard is wrong? Sad.

There is no Scripture conflating "pastor" with "elder". Claiming that 1 Timothy 3 is about pastors is simply wrong. Further, the alleged restrictions on females being elders breaks down when you see that Phoebe was a deacon (Romans 16:1). Because of that, you must see that "husband of one wife" means "not a polygamist" rather than "not a female".

 

[Evmur]

And the AOG has lead the way!

Women Pastors.
Speaking in tongues.
Teaching a 2nd blessing.
Insisting on water baptisms.
Physical healings are demanded.
Miracles are expected.
God wants you to be rich.

And.....your responce about ignoring the Word of God has nothing to do with the thread of Women not being pastors according to the WORD OF GOD!

and you are a Jehovah's witness ... we can all make assumptions about each other.

 

[Evmur]

Pastoral epistles are not written by Paul you say? Well that's your problem right there. And that's why you are consistently striking out on every doctrinal in exegetical treatment you proffer. Watching and reading your post as of now you are 100% wrong 100% of the time. Which given your predicament is very predictable.

By predicament I assume you mean ever joyful in the Lord

 

[Evmur]

I do not have to prove one single thing to you my friend. YOU are free to stick to your AOG denominational teachings and I will stick with the Word of God!

I simple gave you the 1st date of an ordained woman. I do not care even one little bit about the Congregational Church or the AOG church for that matter. That was not the point of the info given to you.

The thread says what GOD said about women Pastors.

YOU eithe agree with GOD or you stand on your denominational doctrine.

It is just that simple.

What does God's word say about women pastors?

 

[Evmur]

That people are missuesing and ignoring the word of God since it was written is not New.
And you can find in any denomination. There is non which is 100% correct in teaching.

Your view is wide agreed in christianity and World. But is still not what the bible says about woman pastorship.

Apart from the Brethren I do not know any Evangelical church which has leaders who are appointed according to the biblical way. ... so why are the kettles calling the pots black?