Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

[Major]

are saying only in the context of Pastor? Because those who are in the office of an evangelist who is women can be ordained Minister which means they are a servant of the Lord? it is only in the context of the office Pastor? Or Bishop which I am still waiting for someone to show me where it says "women can't be a pastor? Or women can be a Bishop when asking this some get upset because I asked yet they say that is what this ver means yet I do not see that contextually.

With all due respect....have you actually read the posts made in this thread.???

1 Tim. 3:1-2........
"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach".

1 Tinothy 2:12.......
"And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence."

1 Corth 14:34.........
"Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says".

 

[Truth7t7]

what if men cannot be found who are worthy to lead ? The American church would collapse without the women.

Rebellion to Gods words below

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[CS1]

With all due respect....have you actually read the posts made in this thread.???

1 Tim. 3:1-2........
"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach".

1 Tinothy 2:12.......
"And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence."

1 Corth 14:34.........
"Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says".

So you see the Bishop must be married?

 

[Truth7t7]

So you see the Bishop must be married?

As if scripture hasn't been presented to you several times

You know the answer but are in rebellion to Gods truth as I see it

1 Timothy 3:1-7KJV
This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

 

[mustaphadrink]

Being neither male or female does not relate to salvation but to the body of Christ and it's structure which makes it the the most important scripture to be taken into account when dealing with ministry.

Paul in his letters greets women whom he calls fellow workers in the gospel some who were leaders of houses where the church met.

All the gifts of the Holy Spirit are ministerial gifts, word of wisdom/word of knowledge, prophecy, healing and miracles. There is no reason whatsoever to suppose that women did not receive these gifts. Paul's desire is that every single member of the assembly, the body of Christ should participate in the meetings.

I don't like to say this too often because it upsets some people's faith in scripture but I do not believe the Pastoral epistles are written by Paul they show an unPauline attitude toward women. The whole Episcopal style of church governance [from which Catholicism] is built upon the Pastorals. I am not saying the Pastorals are not scripture, but scripture varies in weight and authority.

When Jesus was raised the FIRST person to whom He showed Himself was Mary Magdalene ... do you think this was just an accident of fate? does anything God does happen by chance? no. She was the FIRST to carry the message of the resurrection and with it a prophetic instruction to the disciples to go to Galilee.

Women are ALWAYS in submission to a man, if not their husbands then to Christ.

Being neither male or female relates to salvation full stop. Not to leadership in the church.

Being a fellow worker does not make you an Elder. That is pure presumtion.

Using the gifts of the spirit do not make you an Elder as under the doctrine of the priesthood of all believers, the Spirit gives the gifts severally as he wills and as he gives severally as he wills they are and can be given to ANYONE, not just leaders.

ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God therefore ALL scripture is equally important.

The idea that Jesus showed himself first to a women so that makes them qualifed to be elders is laughable. If that is the case, we will have to delete Timothy and Titus from the scriptures because not once does it say a qualification for Eldership is that you have to have seen Jesus first.

 

[Evmur]

Being neither male or female relates to salvation full stop. Not to leadership in the church.

Being a fellow worker does not make you an Elder. That is pure presumtion.

Using the gifts of the spirit do not make you an Elder as under the doctrine of the priesthood of all believers, the Spirit gives the gifts severally as he wills and as he gives severally as he wills they are and can be given to ANYONE, not just leaders.

ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God therefore ALL scripture is equally important.

The idea that Jesus showed himself first to a women so that makes them qualifed to be elders is laughable. If that is the case, we will have to delete Timothy and Titus from the scriptures because not once does it say a qualification for Eldership is that you have to have seen Jesus first.

I have not been arguing for titles or positions of authority. I have been responding to those who say women may not speak or have any ministry beyond arranging the flowers and producing babies.

Paul recognized women for what they are fellow labourers who deserved all assistance from the brethren.

I say, and any honest commentator would agree with me, that the fact that the Lord first showed Himself alive to a woman is HUGELY significant.

NO, being neither male or female does not relate to salvation full stop. It relates to be a member of the body of Christ, the body in which every member is expected to participate and have a place. You may well say in the body the head is the most important, but that head is Christ. You can argue about legs and arms and eyes and ears and tongues.

Only a foolish person will fail to acknowledge the authority of Corrie ten Boom or Gladys Ayleworth.

All labours and ministry of whatever kind it is done in the name of the Lord must be subject to the closest scrutiny whether male or female.

 

[Evmur]

Only a man committed to the false reteroric of the AOG would make such a statement!

My friend.......what has the church been from Paul to 1853. That is the year that Antoinette Brown Blackwell was the first woman ordained as a minister in the United States. She was ordained by a church belonging to the Congregationalist Church. However, her ordination was not recognized by the denomination. She later quit the church and became a Unitarian which is not a Christian church at all.

How many male ministers of the Congregational denomination had already abandoned the fundamental doctrines of the bible in favour of the new enlightenment movement of that time, there is no more Congregationalist they are now the United Reformed Church which seeks to unite all religions, all that began long before any woman was ordained a minister.

You would need to prove to me that the manner in which ministers are ordained, the process by which they make themselves candidates for ordination, is truly scriptural within the denominations ... I think not.

And here I say, let the men be subject to Christ before they insist that women be subject to them.

Evangelicals are not led by many who can show their calling ... they opted [a great many] for church leadership because they did not want to work in construction.

This is the truth.

The Evangelical church by and large have abandoned the bible in the matter of church governance and incidentally I think the AOG have followed their mentality.

You prove to me that present church structures within any of the Evangelical churches is upon bible lines.

 

[Truth7t7]

I have not been arguing for titles or positions of authority. I have been responding to those who say women may not speak or have any ministry beyond arranging the flowers and producing babies.

Paul recognized women for what they are fellow labourers who deserved all assistance from the brethren.

I say, and any honest commentator would agree with me, that the fact that the Lord first showed Himself alive to a woman is HUGELY significant.

NO, being neither male or female does not relate to salvation full stop. It relates to be a member of the body of Christ, the body in which every member is expected to participate and have a place. You may well say in the body the head is the most important, but that head is Christ. You can argue about legs and arms and eyes and ears and tongues.

Only a foolish person will fail to acknowledge the authority of Corrie ten Boom or Gladys Ayleworth.

All labours and ministry of whatever kind it is done in the name of the Lord must be subject to the closest scrutiny whether male or female.

You argue in Rebellion to Gods words below

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[Evmur]

This is then a reason to ignore the Word of God?

Evangelicals have been ignoring the Word of God for more than perhaps 2 centuries and nowhere more than in the area of church governance.

 

[Truth7t7]

How many male ministers of the Congregational denomination had already abandoned the fundamental doctrines of the bible in favour of the new enlightenment movement of that time, there is no more Congregationalist they are now the United Reformed Church which seeks to unite all religions, all that began long before any woman was ordained a minister.

You would need to prove to me that the manner in which ministers are ordained, the process by which they make themselves candidates for ordination, is truly scriptural within the denominations ... I think not.

And here I say, let the men be subject to Christ before they insist that women be subject to them.

Evangelicals are not led by many who can show their calling ... they opted [a great many] for church leadership because they did not want to work in construction.

This is the truth.

The Evangelical church by and large have abandoned the bible in the matter of church governance and incidentally I think the AOG have followed their mentality.

You prove to me that present church structures within any of the Evangelical churches is upon bible lines.

Your in Rebellion to Gods words below

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[Truth7t7]

Evangelicals have been ignoring the Word of God for more than perhaps 2 centuries and nowhere more than in the area of church governance.

You ignore the clear words of God below in rebellion, it's not your way but Gods, read it again!

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[Evmur]

You ignore the clear words of God below in rebellion, it's not your way but Gods, read it again!

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

but they may pray and preach

 

[Evmur]

Your in Rebellion to Gods words below

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

but they may pray and preach

 

[Evmur]

You argue in Rebellion to Gods words below

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

but they may pray and preach

 

[Truth7t7]

but they may pray and preach

Rebellion to Gods words below

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[Truth7t7]

but they may pray and preach

Rebellion to Gods words below

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[Evmur]

Rebellion to Gods words below

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

I've heard of paraphrase but this is parrot phrase ... ridiculous

 

[Truth7t7]

I've heard of paraphrase but this is parrot phrase ... ridiculous

Rebellion to Gods words below

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[Aidan1]

Evangelicals have been ignoring the Word of God for more than perhaps 2 centuries and nowhere more than in the area of church governance.

That people are missuesing and ignoring the word of God since it was written is not New.
And you can find in any denomination. There is non which is 100% correct in teaching.

Your view is wide agreed in christianity and World. But is still not what the bible says about woman pastorship.

 

[Truth7t7]

That people are missuesing and ignoring the word of God since it was written is not New.
And you can find in any denomination. There is non which is 100% correct in teaching.

Your view is wide agreed in christianity and World. But is still not what the bible says about woman pastorship.

A sign of the end times in apostasy, before your eyes