ARE WE THERE YET? 666
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Hi thanks for the reply
Its a phrase that the King James uses to help reconcile works with faith since they cannot be separate from each. "Labor of love" is just another way saying "work of faith" . I think you could say work of faith, as, or is a labor of God's love
1 Thessalonians 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
Hebrews 6:10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
My explanation of Prophecy and Parables fits the description given to in the scriptures. The bible is its own dictionary .
The word prophecy is simply referring to the "word of God". Parables are those in which Christ spoke not without. Proverbs is a different kind of parable and not usually used in a historically true parable setting . But proverbs as moral parables have a moral understanding. Unlike other parables they are historallly true as well as providing the unseen spiritual understanding that preaches the gospel hidden for natural man.
I think it is why we have been given a prescription like that found in 2 Corinthians 4:18 so that we can search out the understanding not seen in parables
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18
The assembly I did attend as my home church where I heard the gospel and believed God. It is Evangelical and called non denominational ."Plymouth Brethren" and in that there is some wiggle room from one assembly to another.
Its a phrase that the King James uses to help reconcile works with faith since they cannot be separate from each. "Labor of love" is just another way saying "work of faith" . I think you could say work of faith, as, or is a labor of God's love
1 Thessalonians 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
Hebrews 6:10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
My explanation of Prophecy and Parables fits the description given to in the scriptures. The bible is its own dictionary .
The word prophecy is simply referring to the "word of God". Parables are those in which Christ spoke not without. Proverbs is a different kind of parable and not usually used in a historically true parable setting . But proverbs as moral parables have a moral understanding. Unlike other parables they are historallly true as well as providing the unseen spiritual understanding that preaches the gospel hidden for natural man.
I think it is why we have been given a prescription like that found in 2 Corinthians 4:18 so that we can search out the understanding not seen in parables
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18
The assembly I did attend as my home church where I heard the gospel and believed God. It is Evangelical and called non denominational ."Plymouth Brethren" and in that there is some wiggle room from one assembly to another.
The last and final sign as a wonder (source of faith) was the sign of Jonas.it was fulfilled when the veil was rent .We understand our un-seen God as to the spiritual understanding by faith according to the hermeneutics prescription (2 Corinthians 4:18)
There is no reason to look for a outward sign as some sort of wonder or unseen source of faith . We walk by faith. 666 represents natural unconverted mans and it has nothing to do with modern day technology or a tattoo. Or if we were restricted from eating if we did not put a stamp of approval "government certified" on ones forehead or hand.
We are to buy spiritual truth and nor sell it for a outward sign that was never promised . The mark is the mark of Cain a restless wanderer that received no rest from believing God. Like Esau who sold is birthright for a cup of chicken soup ,revealing to us that he like Cain saw not value in the things of God not seen .
Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
Christ will come on the last day like a thief in the night just as in the time of Noah.
Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
I believe the poetic language in Revelation is "signified" as shown in the opening verse. To signify used in parables is using the things seen the temporal to reveal the unseen eternal spiritual understanding. For instance Revelation 20 is a parable filled with many metaphors to include "time" using the word "thousand" to represent a unknown as that which is concealed from mankind.
The word thousand is used numerous times throughout scripture ro represent an unknowm with anything in view again to include time factors.
I could be over emphasizing. But I think that verse in Corinthians 2: 18 protects the Holy unseen place of God. (faith) If we would place the things seen in the place of faith .Then we would be violating the warning of standing there as a abomination of desecration. ..
Today many look to the place seen (Jerusalem ) calling it the Holy Place . In doing so by pass the result of the time of reformation as if it never occurred.
Signifier and Signified
"Signifier" and "signified" are terms used in one branch of linguistics and literary criticism to describe the components of a sign: the signifier, to put it simply, is the word, and the signified is the thing or idea it represents. Signifiers needn't be confined to words; they can include any system of representation, including drawings, traffic lights, body language, and so on. https://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Terms/signifier.html
The word thousand is used numerous times throughout scripture ro represent an unknowm with anything in view again to include time factors.
I could be over emphasizing. But I think that verse in Corinthians 2: 18 protects the Holy unseen place of God. (faith) If we would place the things seen in the place of faith .Then we would be violating the warning of standing there as a abomination of desecration. ..
Today many look to the place seen (Jerusalem ) calling it the Holy Place . In doing so by pass the result of the time of reformation as if it never occurred.
Signifier and Signified
"Signifier" and "signified" are terms used in one branch of linguistics and literary criticism to describe the components of a sign: the signifier, to put it simply, is the word, and the signified is the thing or idea it represents. Signifiers needn't be confined to words; they can include any system of representation, including drawings, traffic lights, body language, and so on. https://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Terms/signifier.html
Now you did not answer my question, What is Christ's three day labor of His love ?
Your answer on Prophecy and Parable is TOTALLY CONFUSING? AND NO, IT DOES NOT FIT SCRIPTURE.
PROPHECY is a Future EVENT spoken of as IF IT IS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED, AND WILL HAPPEN ON GOD's TIMETABLE, without a single Doubt.
PARABABLE is a fictious Story, without any names, used to teach with a deep moral TRUTH.
In your Explanation about your Religious Affiliation, YOU Mentioned Plymouth Brethren, and I AM VERY FAMILIAR with the Plymouth Brethern, and in fact one of my all time FAVORITE Pastors was originally from the Plymouth Brethren, and I have the deepest respect for him. I CAUGHT your statement: did attend. So with your weird THEOLOGY, did they ask you to leave? They KNOW and BELIEVE almost the SAME as I BELIEVE.
After you left that Church, you seem to have gotten involved with a Psuedo Christian Cult, am I right?
PLYMOUTH BRETHREN BELIEFS
1) that there is one living God fully revealed to us in Christ and known through Him as Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the unity of the Godhead. All are God, all one God, God all three(1Tim 2:5, John1:18, Matt 28:19);
2) that the Word, who was with God and was God, was made flesh and dwelt among us, the Man Christ Jesus, the Father sending the Son to be the Saviour of the world(John 1:1,14, 1 Tim 2:5, 1 John 4:14);
3) that the Lord Jesus Christ gave Himself a ransom for all having died upon the cross. He has made propitiation for our sins and not for ours alone, but also for the whole world. The blood of Jesus Christ His son cleanses us from all sin (1 Tim 2:6, Phil 2:8, 1 John 2:2, 1 John 1:7);
4) that the glad tidings of God concerning His Son Jesus Christ as presented in the gospel is towards all and upon all those who believe (Rom 1: 1-4, Rom 3:22);
5) that after Christ’s ascension upon high the Holy Spirit has been sent down to dwell in those who obey God both individually and in the Church collectively (Eph 4:8, Acts 2:4, Acts 5:32, 1 Cor 3:16);
6) that the Assembly of God which He has purchased with the blood of His own, is bound to keep itself pure in doctrine and godly walk. This purity is preserved by instruction in the Scriptures, the exercise of pastoral care and infrequently where necessary, assembly discipline according to the Word of God (Acts 20:28, 1 Cor 5:7,13, 2 Tim 3:16, Eph 4:11);
7) that the oneness of God can only be known amongst those who are of Christ’s Assembly which is holy and blameless and formed by those who keep themselves unspotted from the world. The collective Assembly position is inviolate and central to Christianity (1 Tim 2:5, Eph 5:27, James 1:27, Matt 16:18); [Right here, they should have added, 1 John 1:9, and explained that the word CONFESS is in the Greek Present Tense, implying that it is an ongoing verb, were we Confess, each new sin with an automatic CONFESSION. Otherwise, it seems to imply SINLESSNESS, and I can prove all human beings still sin.]
8) that in order to know union with Christ and unity with God, who is essentially separate from evil, it is necessary for us to separate from evil in this world (2 Cor 6:14-18, 1 John 2:15-17, 2Tim 2:19-22, Matt 16:24-26);
9) that the Lord has left two rites or ordinances both representative of His death. One being baptism which signifies our identification with His death as separating us from the world. The other, a weekly collective celebration of the Lord’s Supper, the remembrance of His death in the loaf speaking to us of His body and the cup speaking to us of His blood. This provides the enduring bond of our fellowship and unity with God (Acts 16:15, Rom 6:3, 1 Cor 11:23-25);
10) that the sanctity of the marriage bond is regarded at the highest level. It has been instituted in paradise and confirmed by the Lord Himself when here below. It is doubtless the providential bond of all moral order in the world and meant to be representative in type of Christ’s relationship with His Assembly (Eph 5:25-26, Gen 2:21-24, Matt 19: 4-6);
11) that we should hold aloof from every form of wickedness in our daily walk so that God Himself can sanctify our spirit, soul and body to be preserved holy and blameless at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thess 5:22-23);
12) that Christ will come again at the Rapture to receive all believers in Jesus to Himself raising those that are His, or changing them if living, fashioning their bodies like unto His glorious body according to the power by which He is able to subdue all things to Himself ( 1 Thess 4:14-17, Phil 3:21, Acts 2:21, 2 Tim 2:19);
Again the three day labor is in respect to Christ's work of faith typified by the cross of Christianity . signified by the phrase "heart of the earth", a living suffering just as with Jonas in the belly of the whale a three day living hell who was delivered .
That's one way the word of God works in the heart of man but only a part of the whole. Moses gave a accurate account of almost one third of human history being witnessed by one who was there (Christ) as prophecy . Prophecy would seem to be three dimensional In that way the word of God is alive and does not return void of the purposes by which he sends it even today.
Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter Revelation 1:9
Fictional to some to other historallly true parables used to represent a time period. five sec to five thousand years. The parable below represented over a thousand years before the time of reformation had come when God turned over the faithless Jew do what he desires desiring a King like the pagan nations that surrounded them
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the "time of reformation" .Hebrew 9:9-11
Not a fictional story and does use names to give us the unseen spiritual understanding as well as the literal movement of men as historical accuracy .
I have deep respect for them. .John Duckhorn and his wife Donna has a very good teaching ministry they were a missionaries in South America in the 60's. John became like a father to me giving me a taste of his understanding as to how he hears the word of God . I still occasionally do visit and visit a bible study . They have been quite kind to me. I am sure some think I am weird .And I don't know what kind of group I am in? I think when two or three gather together under the hearing of His word he is there to help us as two walking together in a agreement to Him..... our teaching master not seen.
I think of cults as those that do despite to the grace of God. Catholisicim one of the bigger who do despite to the grace of God less subtly than others I believe. They wear it loud and proud and need to hear the gospel.
Good explanation on #7
I agree with their statement. They have a excellent format especially the breaking of bread service very humbling . But not so much with the foundation of water baptism It has its foundation in the Old Testament .The other ordinance as two ceremonial laws working as one does have its foundation on this side of the reformation time. other things show our differences. We have other differences also but nothing that would do despite to the grace of God.
That's one way the word of God works in the heart of man but only a part of the whole. Moses gave a accurate account of almost one third of human history being witnessed by one who was there (Christ) as prophecy . Prophecy would seem to be three dimensional In that way the word of God is alive and does not return void of the purposes by which he sends it even today.
Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter Revelation 1:9
Fictional to some to other historallly true parables used to represent a time period. five sec to five thousand years. The parable below represented over a thousand years before the time of reformation had come when God turned over the faithless Jew do what he desires desiring a King like the pagan nations that surrounded them
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the "time of reformation" .Hebrew 9:9-11
Not a fictional story and does use names to give us the unseen spiritual understanding as well as the literal movement of men as historical accuracy .
I have deep respect for them. .John Duckhorn and his wife Donna has a very good teaching ministry they were a missionaries in South America in the 60's. John became like a father to me giving me a taste of his understanding as to how he hears the word of God . I still occasionally do visit and visit a bible study . They have been quite kind to me. I am sure some think I am weird .And I don't know what kind of group I am in? I think when two or three gather together under the hearing of His word he is there to help us as two walking together in a agreement to Him..... our teaching master not seen.
I think of cults as those that do despite to the grace of God. Catholisicim one of the bigger who do despite to the grace of God less subtly than others I believe. They wear it loud and proud and need to hear the gospel.
Good explanation on #7
I agree with their statement. They have a excellent format especially the breaking of bread service very humbling . But not so much with the foundation of water baptism It has its foundation in the Old Testament .The other ordinance as two ceremonial laws working as one does have its foundation on this side of the reformation time. other things show our differences. We have other differences also but nothing that would do despite to the grace of God.
There is the Groups that I consider for sure to be Psuedo-Christian Cults on my Post #253 . So have you been studying from any one of those groups ? ? ? NOTICE, I do not consider Catholics or Seventh Day Adventist, to be one of the Cults; they may be BORDER LINE, but they have not crossed that line YET. In fact I can pull out of the Catholic Catechism the EXACT STATEMENTS that you will find in the Baptist Doctrinal Statement of Faith.
I have been studying as we are lovingly commanded to in order to seekafter Hid approvalteacher and comforter he say he promises to bring to our remembrance the former things he has taught us
That's interesting . Catholic Catechism makes the grace of God without effect by teaching Christ gave a unknown remnant of the grace needed to pay the full eternal wage of sin And say they fill up what ever remnant Christ did not as a work they do after their bodies have died ,for another unknown remnant of time. Protestants do not deny Christ paid it all the first time. Big difference
That's interesting . Catholic Catechism makes the grace of God without effect by teaching Christ gave a unknown remnant of the grace needed to pay the full eternal wage of sin And say they fill up what ever remnant Christ did not as a work they do after their bodies have died ,for another unknown remnant of time. Protestants do not deny Christ paid it all the first time. Big difference
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/1-1.htm Why would you think he sent and signified it by/in "parable" when it says "through the angel of him"? Just curious why if it says it is signified one way you see it as another.
Hi thanks for the reply . Sorry. The we are those who hear the author who lovingly commands us to in order that we might seek the promise of His approval we should or must study .
Or at least that is how I see the commandment .It I believe is not just a good suggestion but the living word one that are said to not return void. It I believe can draw a person closer or drive one further away from the Head of body of spiritual truth, Christ.
I think Christians are informed that not only is Christ our promised teacher, comforter but it is he who brings to our mind the things he has taught us. We as Christians should be careful on how we hear and believe.
Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.2 Timoothy 2:14-16
Or at least that is how I see the commandment .It I believe is not just a good suggestion but the living word one that are said to not return void. It I believe can draw a person closer or drive one further away from the Head of body of spiritual truth, Christ.
I think Christians are informed that not only is Christ our promised teacher, comforter but it is he who brings to our mind the things he has taught us. We as Christians should be careful on how we hear and believe.
Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.2 Timoothy 2:14-16
You are so mixed it is not the Last and Final sign as of FAITH, HE TOLD US IN PLAIN LANGUAGE:
Matthew 12:39-40 (NCV)
39 Jesus answered, “Evil and sinful people are the ones who want to see a miracle for a sign. But no sign will be given to them, except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
40 Jonah was in the stomach of the big fish for three days and three nights. In the same way, the Son of Man will be in the grave three days and three nights.
He is a rather RECENT PROPHECY TO BE FULFILLED:
Jeremiah 23:7-8 (HCSB)
7 “The days are coming”—the LORD’s declaration—“when it will no longer be said, ‘As the LORD lives who brought the Israelites from the land of Egypt,’
8 but, ‘As the LORD lives, who brought and led the descendants of the house of Israel from the land of the north and from all the other countries where I had banished them.’ They will dwell once more in their own land.”
The best rebuttal to an allegorical approach in eschatology is to have a debate with a group in that camp and listen. Then point out that those in the latter first century differed from the third and fourth century ideas and then have them compare the different meanings they see individually and as a group. This though is not an exact process in eschatology, or at least that is we wont be able to tell until they Finnish their debate.
Hi thanks for the reply.
Not sure what you meant by …."it is not the Last and Final sign as of FAITH, HE TOLD US IN PLAIN LANGUAGE:" I was not promoting a sign and wonder gospel if that is was you meant ?
That above prophecy is being fulfilled as the glory that continues to follow after Christ's labor of love . The first resurrection began. The time of reformation had come . The graves were opened the many mansions as the spiritual house of God made up of many lively stones had become occupied .
Receiving the "end of your faith", even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time "the Spirit of Christ" which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow 1Peter 1:9-11
The eternal land prepared as the bride of Christ as many mansions are being fullfilled.
John 14:2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you
That would be a good idea.
A person first and foremost would have to look at the language as not only inspired but also signified. To signify using a signifier is to study the use of signs and symbols and their use or interpretation.
If others from other eschatology positions, do not have some sort of common ground as to the language .How could they agree with the outcome?
The Amil position works the best for looking at the parables .
Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Revelation 20 in respect to that parable would be a good place to begin. It is filled with metaphors that hide the spiritual understanding from natural man .
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A person first and foremost would have to look at the language as not only inspired but also signified. To signify using a signifier is to study the use of signs and symbols and their use or interpretation.
If others from other eschatology positions, do not have some sort of common ground as to the language .How could they agree with the outcome?
The Amil position works the best for looking at the parables .
Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Revelation 20 in respect to that parable would be a good place to begin. It is filled with metaphors that hide the spiritual understanding from natural man .
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What some people have been saying with the amil thing has lost me, can we just agree to disagree.
The amils are just going to miss out on Jesus literal reign on earth it seems like they dont really want to see Jesus face to face and see all the land healed etc. Which is a huge shame. JEsus had promised those who are faithful will be in charge of many cities and towns. That all the nations will bring tribute to the King from the ends of the earth. To me it sounds like a huge party and YES who doesnt want to see lions sitting down with lambs unlike our present day state where they are kept apart on zoos and behind fences.
If we get to bind what is in heaven on earth and loose whatever is in heaven to what is in earth with Jesus imagine what a great time we will all have putting everything right again. Instead of going through mountains of red tape with bureucracy and elections and opposing parties we get to contact Jesus himself because Hes king and whatever He says, goes. And everyone will be of one mind, and one accord becuase nobody can enter the Kingdom who doesnt believe.
Now im not saying we dont have a taste of this in our own local churches right now but this will be on a worldwide scale.too many people at present have accepted a counterfeit kingdom run by the beast.
The amils are just going to miss out on Jesus literal reign on earth it seems like they dont really want to see Jesus face to face and see all the land healed etc. Which is a huge shame. JEsus had promised those who are faithful will be in charge of many cities and towns. That all the nations will bring tribute to the King from the ends of the earth. To me it sounds like a huge party and YES who doesnt want to see lions sitting down with lambs unlike our present day state where they are kept apart on zoos and behind fences.
If we get to bind what is in heaven on earth and loose whatever is in heaven to what is in earth with Jesus imagine what a great time we will all have putting everything right again. Instead of going through mountains of red tape with bureucracy and elections and opposing parties we get to contact Jesus himself because Hes king and whatever He says, goes. And everyone will be of one mind, and one accord becuase nobody can enter the Kingdom who doesnt believe.
Now im not saying we dont have a taste of this in our own local churches right now but this will be on a worldwide scale.too many people at present have accepted a counterfeit kingdom run by the beast.