Any Post or Non-Tribbers in Here?

[cv5]

Maybe, but I would never have known Jesus in the first place if not for such music. Faith comes by hearing, and what lifts up the spirit of the congregation is worship music. For those who are biblically illiterate, all the theology they could have learned lies within these lyrics, so don’t underestimate its power and impact. That was actually the primary purpose of those hymns - a teaching tool.

Perhaps. But spiritual maturity will have one dumping Hillsong like a hot potato.....eventually.

"Under celebrity pastor Carl Lentz, international megachurch Hillsong became trendy and influential, garnering splashy profiles in outlets such as GQ, and attracting stars such as Chris Pratt, Kendall Jenner, Nick Jonas and Justin Bieber."

$$$Friends$$$ with the wholly Satanic unsaved world? Yep. Attracting the utterly carnal unsaved (who have no intention whatsoever to convert) like flies to carrion? Yep.
Bearing their cross and giving up this present sinful age and presenting their bodies a living sacrifice holy, acceptable to God? I doubt it.

 

[cv5]

When you keep speaking with such utmost certainty and arrogance, maybe you’re trying to convince yourself instead of your listener. I don’t need a “deep dive” to know that the three boys were pushed into a fiery furnace and Daniel was thrown into a lion’s den, and God carried them through the trials. Jesus himself even asked in his final prayer that if there was any “alternative” - such as a pre-trib “rapture”, did he get any? If God didn’t send twelve legions of angels to rescue his own son, what makes you think he’ll do so for you and me?

Kid.....if you so choose to remain ignorant that is your problem and not mine. If you want to actually correct your errant doctrine do what I say and study what TheDivineWatermark has to say on the topic.

As for your denials and ignorant criticism....it certainly does not put a dent in what I know to be true.

 

[Beckie]

Some posts really explain the Biblical term " silly women"

 

[Mem]

Some posts really explain the Biblical term " silly women"

O the irony

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

Just passing through for now, will reply in more detail later on. I like Hillsong's Music. I find it Christ-Centered and Devotional. I don't know much about their recent history and all, but I like their videos. Here are a couple of them, one on the Apostles' Creed, and the other "What a Beautiful Name (is the Name of Jesus)". Going by YouTube views, 10s of Millions of People watch and are inspired by their music.

I Believe (the Creed) - 50 MN Views.

What a Beautiful Name - 436 MN Views. (Wow!)

 

[FreeGrace2]

Nonnegotiable pretrib rapture premillenniallist here. The pre-tribbers win out on every rapture thread on this site that I have perused.

If I only had a dime for every time a "nonnegotiable pretrib rapture" guy said that.....

The Bible teaches there is ONE resurrection for the saved. Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14, Acts 24:15, 1 Cor 15:23
The Bible teaches that is ONE resurrection for the unsaved. Acts 24:15
The Bible teaches that the resurrection is when Jesus comes back. 1 Cor 15:23, 2 Thess 2:1
The bible teaches that the resurrection of the saved is the FIRST resurrection. Rev 20:5

Therefore, it is impossible for any resurrection to occur before the Trib.

It's not even close.

Correct. There are NO verses describing Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.

And what comes out during the conversation is the fact that the pre-tribbers possess vastly greater knowledge and understanding of the Scripture than their opponents. Every single time.

Then please explain the 7 verses I have shared above, and explain where my error is.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Never doubt the fact that I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about with regard to the rapture. The pre-tribulation rapture is boilerplate biblical doctrine.

Great! On that BOAST, please quote one verse that describes Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.

If you can't, your boast is empty.

If you are a serious student I suggest you conduct a CC website search of:
member: TheDivineWatermark
keyword: rapture

If on the other hand you are not serious and do not want to do a deep dive don't bother wasting your time.

Well, I'm VERY SERIOUS and I've NEVER seen any verse that describes Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.

So, please enlighten me.

I don't want to be wrong any more than you do.

 

[Beckie]

If I only had a dime for every time a "nonnegotiable pretrib rapture" guy said that.....

The Bible teaches there is ONE resurrection for the saved. Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14, Acts 24:15, 1 Cor 15:23
The Bible teaches that is ONE resurrection for the unsaved. Acts 24:15
The Bible teaches that the resurrection is when Jesus comes back. 1 Cor 15:23, 2 Thess 2:1
The bible teaches that the resurrection of the saved is the FIRST resurrection. Rev 20:5

Therefore, it is impossible for any resurrection to occur before the Trib.


Correct. There are NO verses describing Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.


Then please explain the 7 verses I have shared above, and explain where my error is.

Why in the verse you have quoted about resurrection do you not quote Jesus?

 

[JAPOV]

1st resurrection, the true church, the restraining spirit is taken away and the antichrist is allowed to reign.

2nd resurrection, the 144000 minister during the tribulation and save many souls. So, they are separated like sheep and goats.

This is not rocket science. It's plainly written. I don't believe a word any of you "post-tribers" say, you're only here to argue...

 

[FreeGrace2]

Why in the verse you have quoted about resurrection do you not quote Jesus?

I cited His Words in Matt 22:30 and Luke 14:14 where He used the singular for resurrection.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Kid.....if you so choose to remain ignorant that is your problem and not mine. If you want to actually correct your errant doctrine do what I say and study what TheDivineWatermark has to say on the topic.

As for your denials and ignorant criticism....it certainly does not put a dent in what I know to be true.

Bible never taught this stuff, it’s a man made doctrine coming from the pulpit designed for the lukewarm Laodiceans.

 

[Beckie]

I cited His Words in Matt 22:30 and Luke 14:14 where He used the singular for resurrection.

He did not misspeak in John

 

[FreeGrace2]

1st resurrection, the true church, the restraining spirit is taken away and the antichrist is allowed to reign.

The single resurrection of ALL believers ("those who belong to Him") will occur "when He comes", per 1 Cor 15:23. Therefore, it is impossible for any resurrection to occur before the Tribulation, since all believers, which includes all martyred believers during the resurrection, are in the resurrection called the FIRST resurrection. The second resurrection is the single resurrection of all the unsaved, which is for the GWT judgment. Acts 24:15, John 5:28,29

2nd resurrection, the 144000 minister during the tribulation and save many souls. So, they are separated like sheep and goats.

Nope. 1 Cor 15:23 is crystal clear: one resurrection for all believers, occurring "when He comes", which is the Second Advent.

This is not rocket science. It's plainly written. I don't believe a word any of you "post-tribers" say, you're only here to argue...

Pleas don't believe me. But please do believe the Scriptures.

1. 2 resurrections total. Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

John 5:28,29
28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice
29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

2. resurrection for the saved at the second advent. 2 Thess 2:1 - Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

3. resurrection for the unsaved at the GWT judgment. Rev 20:5a - (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

Red words refer to all unbelievers, resurrected for the GWT judgment. Blue words refer to the believer resurrection, which occurs at the Second Advent.

Now, which verse describes Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven? Isn't that the pretrib view?

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
I cited His Words in Matt 22:30 and Luke 14:14 where He used the singular for resurrection.

He did not misspeak in John

OK, thanks for some clarity. I assume you are referring to John 5:28,29?

28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice
29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

There is nothing in these 2 verses that say that both resurrections will occur at the same time. And Rev 20:5 clearly shows that the resurrection of the saved will be 1,000 years before the resurrection of the unsaved.

Jn 5:28,29 says there will be a resurrection of the saved and one of the unsaved, just as Acts 24:15 does as well.

Or were you thinking of another verse/passage?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

1st resurrection, the true church, the restraining spirit is taken away and the antichrist is allowed to reign.

2nd resurrection, the 144000 minister during the tribulation and save many souls. So, they are separated like sheep and goats.

This is not rocket science. It's plainly written. I don't believe a word any of you "post-tribers" say, you're only here to argue...

Why don’t you go read Rev. 20 first? The first resurrection takes place at the beginning of the millennial reign, the second at the end of it. Here’s the kicker - Both are post-trib.

 

[JAPOV]

Why don’t you go read Rev. 20 first? The first resurrection takes place at the beginning of the millennial reign, the second at the end of it. Here’s the kicker - Both are post-trib.

WRONG! How can the antichrist come to power and mislead the ignorant masses if the true Christian church (the restraining Spirit) is still here?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

WRONG! How can the antichrist come to power and mislead the ignorant masses if the true Christian church (the restraining Spirit) is still here?

Because God allows him. How can sleepy joe come to power and mislead the ignorant masses with the PLANdemic to take away our freedom? None of us asked for it, but it’s already happening.

 

[JAPOV]

Lol... There's a reason the rapture is called a "mystery" ya'll...
If we knew the exact day and hour, suddenly... WE WOULD ALL PROFESS TO BE CHRISTIANS...

Bernie O'Biden is no Christian! Thank God you can tell the difference and maintain your faith!

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Lol... There's a reason the rapture is called a "mystery" ya'll...
If we knew the exact day and hour, suddenly... WE WOULD ALL PROFESS TO BE CHRISTIANS...

Bernie O'Biden is no Christian!

“No one knows the day or the hour” was a cultural reference of the feast of trumpets, the exact date depended on the first sighting of a new moon, which cannot be predicted by any means of date setting. Jesus never wanted his disciples to be ignorant and clueless, otherwise he wouldn’t have given the Olivet Discourse and multiple parables in case they didn’t understand.

 

[cv5]

Bible never taught this stuff, it’s a man made doctrine coming from the pulpit designed for the lukewarm Laodiceans.

Sorry kid gotta put you on ignore....