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[infinitekhanol]

infinite does not believe we are a new creation in Christ. he xed the post wherein I referenced that and does not want to really show what he believes

which god are you telling us about? here people are trying to convince you of forgiveness of sin and now you are admitting you do not agree with Christ's work on our behalf

is it time people report that you are not really representing Christianity instead of responding to your lack of faith?

Well, I do not agree with your understanding of being a new creature, so, I xed it. What is wrong with that? Must I agree with you when I do not see the reason to.

Please be the first to report but make sure you present my posts exactly the way I presented them and not according to what you think I am saying.

 

[Runningman]

Of course Paul had weaknesses . I do not think that he was talking about his moral weaknesses in the context he spoke about the thorn in his flesh rather his sufferings as he also brought up in Colossians 1:24

Infirmities does not have same meaning wherever it appears in the scripture. Its meaning depends on the context. This I believe.

Hebrews 4:15 KJV
15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Jesus wouldn't be able to sympathize with our infirmities by being tempted as we are unless the infirmities were themselves symptoms of weaknesses; that's moral frailty. The goal is that not only will we not sin, but we also will not even want to sin or be tempted to sin. Because where there is temptation and sin there is grace. That is why Christ's grace is sufficient for Paul.

2 Corinthians 12:9 can be read like this, my words inserted in brackets in red:
9And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness[Moral Frailty]. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities[Moral Frailties], that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

 

[SophieT]

Well, I do not agree with your understanding of being a new creature, so, I xed it. What is wrong with that? Must I agree with you when I do not see the reason to.

Please be the first to report but make sure you present my posts exactly the way I presented them and not according to what you think I am saying.

get off it

I quoted the verse

maybe eat the manuscript

 

[infinitekhanol]

get off it

I quoted the verse

maybe eat the manuscript

I sincerely think you need to control your emotions. It is usually all over the place, mostly when one does not agree with you. Perhaps, you have not noticed. Just saying.

 

[infinitekhanol]

Hebrews 4:15 KJV
15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Jesus wouldn't be able to sympathize with our infirmities by being tempted as we are unless the infirmities were themselves symptoms of weaknesses; that's moral frailty. The goal is that not only will we not sin, but we also will not even want to sin or be tempted to sin. Because where there is temptation and sin there is grace. That is why Christ's grace is sufficient for Paul.

2 Corinthians 12:9 can be read like this, my words inserted in brackets in red:
9And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness[Moral Frailty]. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities[Moral Frailties], that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

I see your point but I still hold my view for the reasons I gave in my previous posts.

 

[Magenta]

That is true but we water it to grow and with time the evidence shows. If there is no watering in dry season, the seeds may not sprout

One plants, another waters, but God gives the increase. So neither the one who
plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.

The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose,
and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor.

- Not according to how others judge them, or whether their works are deemed worthy.

 

[Blain]

Lucifer was once loyal to God and he was probably closer to Him than any other creature. Does his rebellion change that?

Comparing lucifer to us isn't the same thing, lucifer was brought up in God's wonder he never knew the hardship one can go through for those of us who grew up without God his wonder and splendor is beyond words we knew what is good because we grew up without it so no it doesn't change anything

 

[Phoneman-777]

We are not saved by keeping the commandments ... the commandments are not given for to save anyone. Nor is our salvation affected by either the keeping or not of commandments.

Let's be absolutely clear

The scripture says nothing about us choosing to remain abiding in the Vine, choosing to no longer continuing in His word or choosing to no longer saying "not my will but Thine"

What it does say is when Jesus prayed and said "Father of the men Thou hast given Me not one is lost except the son of perdition..." Judas never was saved.

What it does say is that the Good Shepherd having 100 sheep if one strays goes after the lost one and finds him and carries him home on His shoulders rejoicing"

Jesus has a 100% record.

Keeping commandments or breaking them is only the outward evidence of our inward CHOICE to either accept or reject Jesus.

The CHOICE we make is what determines our fate - obedience or sin simply reveals our spiritual state.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Comparing lucifer to us isn't the same thing, lucifer was brought up in God's wonder he never knew the hardship one can go through for those of us who grew up without God his wonder and splendor is beyond words we knew what is good because we grew up without it so no it doesn't change anything

Let's recap:

YOU SAID: "If a slave runs away from his master, he was never loyal to begin with".

I SAID: "Lucifer was closest to God more than any other, but chose to turn away."

Now, are you going to argue that Lucifer was never loyal?

 

[Phoneman-777]

They believe that God is one and tremble

They cannot have believed the gospel, they cannot have believed that Jesus was the Lamb of God sent to die for our sins ... if they had believed that they would have done everything they could to keep Him alive.

There is a believing in doctrines that is not the faith which saves. True faith always results in correspondent action or works.

I'm so sick of these ridiculous "axioms" that make great sound bites but are no more true than Santa Claus or cold fusion.

OF COURSE, THEY BELIEVE THE GOSPEL WHICH IS "FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON..." Didn't the "legion" recognize Jesus as God's Son?

The reason they tremble is not because they don't believe, but because they are incapable of repentance and will go for a swim in the Lake of Fire.

 

[Phoneman-777]

The devils or demons believe what? They believe without the shadow of a doubt that (1) the Lord God Almighty is sovereign over all His creatures and that they are subject to His wrath, (2) there is no redemption for evil angels and demons, and (3) their place in eternal Hell -- the Lake of Fire -- is guaranteed. Hence they tremble. The demons begged Christ (in one incident) not to consign them to the bottomless pit in order to await their final judgment.

The devils believe not only that stuff, but EVERY SINGLE TRUTH OF GOD, including He is "the Creator" (which is what Satan and his demons refer to Him as), Redeemer, Judge, etc....yet, they tremble. Why?

Because they are incapable of repentance, and will burn up in the fire. James lets us know belief that is not unto repentance is as worthless as a screen door on a submarine.

 

[Blain]

Let's recap:

YOU SAID: "If a slave runs away from his master, he was never loyal to begin with".

I SAID: "Lucifer was closest to God more than any other, but chose to turn away."

Now, are you going to argue that Lucifer was never loyal?

You are compating rescued children of God to the devil a being full of arrogance and pride vs rescued orphans grateful and happy to be loved we who were rescued and taken in by father never knew real love before never knew what it was like to really matter we never knew what it is to be royalty but he took us in and gave us all this and much more

Lucifer was given all this and wanted more because he was full of arrogance and pride he never knew what it was liek to be without like we have so we are all the more grateful so it doesn't matter if he was loyal at some point or another which the bible never says if he was or not it doesn't change the fact he never went without so he wasn't grateful he was spoiled.

Comparing children of God to the devil is a very poor argument

 

[OIC1965]

Election is a good old bible word. Chosen ... are you one of God's chosen? I have been around for 45 years and I have found Calvinists on the whole to be committed to walking in holiness before God.

As a non Calvinist that knows many fine Calvinists, I agree.

 

[Evmur]

I'm so sick of these ridiculous "axioms" that make great sound bites but are no more true than Santa Claus or cold fusion.

OF COURSE, THEY BELIEVE THE GOSPEL WHICH IS "FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON..." Didn't the "legion" recognize Jesus as God's Son?

The reason they tremble is not because they don't believe, but because they are incapable of repentance and will go for a swim in the Lake of Fire.

They did not know how He was going to save them ... nor do you

 

[Evmur]

Keeping commandments or breaking them is only the outward evidence of our inward CHOICE to either accept or reject Jesus.

The CHOICE we make is what determines our fate - obedience or sin simply reveals our spiritual state.

Choosing obedience to Moses as a way to be saved [or stay saved] shows that you are a rebel. Whatever God says you will do the opposite.

When He said obey My laws you broke them
Now He has scrapped that way and now says only believe, you insist on obeying the law.

Just like the Jews, when God said enter the land they wouldn't
when He said turn back they said no we will enter the land.

 

[Phoneman-777]

You are compating rescued children of God to the devil a being full of arrogance and pride vs rescued orphans grateful and happy to be loved we who were rescued and taken in by father never knew real love before never knew what it was like to really matter we never knew what it is to be royalty but he took us in and gave us all this and much more

Lucifer was given all this and wanted more because he was full of arrogance and pride he never knew what it was liek to be without like we have so we are all the more grateful so it doesn't matter if he was loyal at some point or another which the bible never says if he was or not it doesn't change the fact he never went without so he wasn't grateful he was spoiled.

Comparing children of God to the devil is a very poor argument

The only reason OSAS survives is because of inconsistent "axiomatic" conclusions like "a runaway slave was never loyal to begin with".

If you're going to claim that, you must be consistent and claim Lucifer was never loyal either.

There's no difference between Lucifer running away or a saint running away - both were loyal at some point in the past.

 

[Phoneman-777]

They did not know how He was going to save them ... nor do you

This comment doesn't make any sense..please elaborate.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Choosing obedience to Moses as a way to be saved [or stay saved] shows that you are a rebel. Whatever God says you will do the opposite.

No one advocates "choosing obedience to the Mosaic Law of ceremonies and sacrifices because it's been nailed to the Cross, but the saint who at some point in their walk with God chooses to kick Him off the throne of their heart so they can sit down evidences this choice by their outward refusal to keep the Moral Law of God aka His Ten Commandments...and will go to hell for their trouble.

 

[Sudakar]

John 8:34-36​

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.​

And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.​

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.​

To repeat sin is to ask GOD to be out of your life. How is GOD to know you at Judgment if you kept on turning from Him? There is no Scripture to support your repeated sin.

If your abiding in CHRIST didn't cost you anything in your life, then you didn't attempt to form to Him (Obey). Your sinner's prayers for repeat sin didn't do anything for your relationship with Him.

1 John 2:6​

He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.​

The luke-warm are not connected to GOD because sin separates you from Him. You wouldn't be doing repeat sins if you were covered in His Blood.

Romans 8:38-39​

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,​

Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.​

When the blood was on houses for Passover, did GOD put that blood on their homes or did they have to put it on themselves??? You are not automatically covered in His Blood.

Were Adam and Eve slaves to sin because they stayed unclothed in God's most holy presence?

 

[Evmur]

No one advocates "choosing obedience to the Mosaic Law of ceremonies and sacrifices because it's been nailed to the Cross, but the saint who at some point in their walk with God chooses to kick Him off the throne of their heart so they can sit down evidences this choice by their outward refusal to keep the Moral Law of God aka His Ten Commandments...and will go to hell for their trouble.

The ten commandments were given to the Jews and they proved a yoke which they could not bear .... they did do the ceremonies and sacrifices thus disproving your foundation.

We are not given laws and commandments but a LIFE even the life of Christ. He is our salvation and our sanctification. You need this inner life of Christ.

If you need written laws it proves you are a sinner still.