You are still a slave to sin if you are still doing them. JESUS Gifted us The Way to Overcome!

[Evmur]

The only reason OSAS survives is because of inconsistent "axiomatic" conclusions like "a runaway slave was never loyal to begin with".

If you're going to claim that, you must be consistent and claim Lucifer was never loyal either.

There's no difference between Lucifer running away or a saint running away - both were loyal at some point in the past.

You make up stuff as you go along, people do not choose to be slaves, slaves are chosen and subjugated by the master.

We did not choose Christ He chose us and He will subjugate us as He wills to. We are His, we belong to Him. We have His mark on us, we are no good to anybody else or fit for any other purpose.

We are like Simon Peter who said "Lord where shall we go?"

Where ya going to run away to if you belong to Him? if you fly to the far side of the hills He is there, if you make your bed on the ocean floor He is there and His right hand will hold you fast.

Jesus never lost any of His sheep He has a 100% record.

 

[Evmur]

This comment doesn't make any sense..please elaborate.

The devils did not know He would save us by being nailed as a criminal to the tree, by dying as substitute ... or they would not have whipped the people up to do it.

 

[Blain]

The only reason OSAS survives is because of inconsistent "axiomatic" conclusions like "a runaway slave was never loyal to begin with".

If you're going to claim that, you must be consistent and claim Lucifer was never loyal either.

There's no difference between Lucifer running away or a saint running away - both were loyal at some point in the past.

Out of my entire post that I offered the only thing you got out of it was the slave part when the slave was only part of it you cannot see the entire picture by only looking at one part the reason asas survives is because there is life in it. See osas is not even the correct term for it it is more like eternal salvation believing that once you are saved once you are his that is it you are his now nothing can take you from his grasp nothing can steal you away from his arms. Those who believe this do so edearingly and with great affection towards him the thought of sin isn't even on the radar because it isn't about sin or not sinning it isn't about using it as an excuse to sin it is about the love shared between the believer and him that is what osas is about you simply cannot see it because you do not know it you do not share this bond with him it is foreign to you.

You could not overcome my post to you you had to cherry pick a part of it to argue over and I can explain to you over and over again osas but it still will escape your understanding and I have no intention of continuing a fruitless discussion so again I will say to you it is about the love shared between the believer and him when you share this bond with him you just know inside a sense of knowing you are his forever you are marked you are owned he brands your heart and soul with deep love and affection with the word mine and you are his forever a love deeply intertwined between creator and the creation between two souls mortal and immortal a covanent of the hearts made in blood of Christ and with the deepest of feelings for each other you are forever his and nothing you could ever do nothing anyone does nothing in this world or the next could ever take you away from his loving arms you don't know how you know this you just do this is the best way I know to describe it.

Now you can take what I have said as truth or you take simply ignore it either way there is no better way I know to explain it to you if you still fail to understand then I am sorry I can no longer etertain you with this debate

 

[Phoneman-777]

The ten commandments were given to the Jews and they proved a yoke which they could not bear .... they did do the ceremonies and sacrifices thus disproving your foundation.

We are not given laws and commandments but a LIFE even the life of Christ. He is our salvation and our sanctification. You need this inner life of Christ.

If you need written laws it proves you are a sinner still.

The Ten Commandments never existed before the Jews? Didn't Abraham keep God's laws and statutes and commandments? Do you think "thou shalt not kill" didn't become a law until Moses? If so, why was Cain punished?

Antinomianism is the absolute worst from of legalism known to man: the search for a loophole, whether real or imagined, which allows one to deny the Ten Commandments existed before they were merely codified at Sinai.

Cain knew better than to kill, Rachel knew better than to steal, Abraham knew not to lie, Joseph knew not to fornicate with Mrs. Potipher, etc.

 

[Phoneman-777]

You make up stuff as you go along, people do not choose to be slaves, slaves are chosen and subjugated by the master.

Look, don't jump in a debate without first having acquainted yourself with the entire thing: doing so is childish and emotionally reactionary.

A person who wants to "prove" the saved can't be lost said a runaway servant was never loyal, therefore any person who abandons Jesus was never His servant to begin with.

I replied Lucifer was a servant of God but ran away, therefore by the above twisted logic Lucifer was never loyal. Of course, Lucifer was loyal.. perhaps the most loyal...before he fell. It is completely subjective to claim "the runaway servant was never loyal" as this point proves.

 

[Phoneman-777]

The devils did not know He would save us by being nailed as a criminal to the tree, by dying as substitute ... or they would not have whipped the people up to do it.

Not so...read Genesis 3:15 KJV.

Satan obviously thought Abel was that Seed that would crush his head, so he stirred up his child Cain to kill his brother Abel. After Seth came along, Satan realized he was dealing with "lineage" so he stirred up entire nations into idolatry with every stripe and type of false "messiah" legends he could muster. They knew full well the Plan of Salvation because they fought tooth and nail against it.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Out of my entire post that I offered the only thing you got out of it was the slave part when the slave was only part of it you cannot see the entire picture by only looking at one part the reason asas survives is because there is life in it. See osas is not even the correct term for it it is more like eternal salvation believing that once you are saved once you are his that is it you are his now nothing can take you from his grasp nothing can steal you away from his arms. Those who believe this do so edearingly and with great affection towards him the thought of sin isn't even on the radar because it isn't about sin or not sinning it isn't about using it as an excuse to sin it is about the love shared between the believer and him that is what osas is about you simply cannot see it because you do not know it you do not share this bond with him it is foreign to you.

You could not overcome my post to you you had to cherry pick a part of it to argue over and I can explain to you over and over again osas but it still will escape your understanding and I have no intention of continuing a fruitless discussion so again I will say to you it is about the love shared between the believer and him when you share this bond with him you just know inside a sense of knowing you are his forever you are marked you are owned he brands your heart and soul with deep love and affection with the word mine and you are his forever a love deeply intertwined between creator and the creation between two souls mortal and immortal a covanent of the hearts made in blood of Christ and with the deepest of feelings for each other you are forever his and nothing you could ever do nothing anyone does nothing in this world or the next could ever take you away from his loving arms you don't know how you know this you just do this is the best way I know to describe it.

Now you can take what I have said as truth or you take simply ignore it either way there is no better way I know to explain it to you if you still fail to understand then I am sorry I can no longer etertain you with this debate

My choice to respond to this point alone doesn't mean I can't overthrow the rest of it, but since the rest of your post rests upon this flawed foundation, I simply stopped reading here and responded.

Now, if you believe a runaway servant was never loyal, then runaway servant Lucifer was never loyal, right?

See? You know full well your point dies right here. You can't say Lucifer was never loyal but then accuse those who turn from from following God as never loyal, can you? So, why continue to say it? Just let it die right here and find some other way to overthrow my position, OK? You're being unreasonably stubborn on this, bro.

 

[Blain]

My choice to respond to this point alone doesn't mean I can't overthrow the rest of it, but since the rest of your post rests upon this flawed foundation, I simply stopped reading here and responded.

Now, if you believe a runaway servant was never loyal, then runaway servant Lucifer was never loyal, right?

See? You know full well your point dies right here. You can't say Lucifer was never loyal but then accuse those who turn from from following God as never loyal, can you? So, why continue to say it? Just let it die right here and find some other way to overthrow my position, OK? You're being unreasonably stubborn on this, bro.

I already explained to you the difference in the loyalty of satan and the loyalty of a lost sheep that was rescued odds are you just didn't read it you seem to read only what you want to read and then that is it you see that is why you couldn't disprove my post posed to you because you either couldn't disprove it and are hiding behind simply not reading the rest of it or you simply saw what you wanted to read and refused to read the rest of it missing the entire point of the post which explains a lot if you read your bible like that

You cannot see thew whole picture by taking only a piece of it I posed that post to you knowing you couldn't disprove it you continued to avoid it you continued to not read it only reading what you wanted to read and then when you did actually read my post posed to you again either you couldn't disprove it or you just read what you wanted missing the point wentirely not answering my post at all as I requested either way it isn't a good look for you because if you couldn't disprove it then it would be better to just admit it but if you truly only read part of it and ignored the rest it shows a lack of maturity and shows you like to cherry pick and read only what you like to read and if you do this on a forum from a simple post how easily you might do this when reading the bible as well.