Would Jesus drink Alcohol?
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I think it is probable that John may have been saved in the womb.
I Agree, but then Jesus being Baptized by John would be more for example and following the Law.
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we cannot forget.
John, asked God for a Sign.
after being Baptized, God, showed John WHO Jesus was.
Voice from Heaven and the Spirit coming down upon Jesus.
see, how you chosen to use the Amplified, rather than the Original Greek:
7
τακτα · δει γαρ τον
επιϲκοπον ανεγ
κλητον ειναι ωϲ
θυ οικονομον
μη αυθαδη
μη οργιλον
μη παροινον
μη πληκτην
μη αιϲχροκερδη
7 For the bishop must be blameless as the steward of God, not self-willed, not soon angry, not fond of wine, no striker, not eager after base gain,
the real question is, what does [[not fond of wine]] mean?
it means they don't like Wine, so, they Don't DRINK wine.
you don't drink something you are not fond of.
it's interesting.
the Original Greek says Jesus passed the Cup [did not sip] and that Bishops and Church Leaders should [not be fond of wine].
but the MODERN Versions 1600s till now, all say the opposite.
the Original Greek says Jesus passed the Cup [did not sip] and that Bishops and Church Leaders should [not be fond of wine].
but the MODERN Versions 1600s till now, all say the opposite.
hmm
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I know alcohol isnt good for you to drink a lot of, though there is that verse that says if you drink any deadly thing it wont harm you
Jesus was offered vinegar on the cross, I believe its fermented
Jury seems to be out on whether alcohol is good or evil, I think for most believers, its only ever good in small doses to kill something even worse.
I have had enough pain from alcoholics to last several lifetimes and dont want to see them suffer but unfortunately, the more you drink, the worse it gets.
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I know alcohol isnt good for you to drink a lot of, though there is that verse that says if you drink any deadly thing it wont harm you
Jesus was offered vinegar on the cross, I believe its fermented
Jury seems to be out on whether alcohol is good or evil, I think for most believers, its only ever good in small doses to kill something even worse.
I have had enough pain from alcoholics to last several lifetimes and dont want to see them suffer but unfortunately, the more you drink, the worse it gets.
why do People Red X a Verse from the Holy Word of God?
especially, a Verse, that comes from the oldest known Greek Text in existence?
especially, a Verse, that comes from the oldest known Greek Text in existence?
are they telling God, to go get lost so they can do as they please, or believe, what they only want to pick and choose to believe?
Matt 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Luke 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
Luke 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
i like how in the Original Greek, Verse 19 ends with:
And yet Wisdom is justified by her works.
then in Luke, Verse 35 follows Verse 34:
35 And yet wisdom is justified on the part of all her children.
so, what is the Wisdom by what Jesus is saying here?
what the People are saying about Him is Wrong?
i can sit at a bar and never drink.
but, i suppose people around looking, think i do.
to them, i must be someone who drinks.
but, what does WISDOM, say about it?
You're applying a particular nuance of "fond". "Not fond of" in this context does not mean "doesn't like" or even "doesn't much like" but rather, "doesn't like a lot of". The word is most commonly translated "addicted".
"Fond" usually means "like a lot". "Not fond", these days, is more commonly used euphemistically, as in, "I'm not fond of Brussels sprouts".
I couldn't find your particular wording on Bible Gateway, which leads me to question its validity at the outset. This shows why it's worthwhile to read several translations before attempting to interpret a key word.
If you're referring to the X's on post 304, it is not the Scripture with which people are disagreeing, but your interpretation thereof. Don't confuse the two.
yep, the next post i said, interesting how from 1600's it now is in the Bible.
and the list of Bibles i see in Bible Reference and Bible Hub are all 1600's and Newer Versions.
this one doesn't even mention wine:
English Revised Version
For the bishop must be blameless, as God's steward; not selfwilled, not soon angry, no brawler, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre;
all NEWER Versions.
English Revised Version
For the bishop must be blameless, as God's steward; not selfwilled, not soon angry, no brawler, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre;
all NEWER Versions.
I'm sure you're aware there are very few English versions from prior to the 1600's.
neither does this ALL Newer Versions:
American Standard Version
For the bishop must be blameless, as God's steward; not self-willed, not soon angry, no brawler, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre;
American Standard Version
For the bishop must be blameless, as God's steward; not self-willed, not soon angry, no brawler, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre;
these say: not given to wine: [to me this means they don't drink it]
Worrell New Testament
For the bishop must be blameless, as God's steward; not self-willed, not soon angry, not given to wine, not a striker, not greedy of base gain;
Worsley New Testament
For a bishop must be blameless as the steward of God, not self-willed, not passionate, not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of sordid gain:
Mace New Testament
for a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not morose, not soon angry, not given to wine, not violent, not desirous of unlawful gain.
Godbey New Testament
For it behooves the bishop to be blameless, as the steward of God; not audacious, not irascible, not given to wine, not a controvertist, not fond of filthy lucre;
Worrell New Testament
For the bishop must be blameless, as God's steward; not self-willed, not soon angry, not given to wine, not a striker, not greedy of base gain;
Worsley New Testament
For a bishop must be blameless as the steward of God, not self-willed, not passionate, not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of sordid gain:
Mace New Testament
for a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not morose, not soon angry, not given to wine, not violent, not desirous of unlawful gain.
Godbey New Testament
For it behooves the bishop to be blameless, as the steward of God; not audacious, not irascible, not given to wine, not a controvertist, not fond of filthy lucre;
There is always a party pooper.
Without theological speculation and interpretations of the scripture, what do we do with all our time?