Would Jesus drink Alcohol?

[HealthAndHappiness]

The difference being you can tell the difference between the two because you are not impaired.

People pretending that the context does not imply impairment are only fooling themselves.

BTW, I'm not against the proper use of alcohol. It has many uses. It's used for extracts, tinctures, and you've no doubt used it as an antiseptic. But I don't believe that Jesus was acting as a bartender for already drunk people as others have implied. He wouldn't do what His word forbids.

 

[timemeddler]

I don't think a watered down alcoholic beverage to near nil % is the issue.
Kombucha can have that much if kept too long until it goes into the second stage fermentation.
However, if someone wants to stop fermentation, it's not difficult. We kept preservative free home made grape juice in the pantry for years.

I don't think it matters much either, and I'm not familiar enough with kombucha to comment.

 

[ewq1938]

BTW, I'm not against the proper use of alcohol. It has many uses. It's used for extracts, tinctures, and you've no doubt used it as an antiseptic. But I don't believe that Jesus was acting as a bartender for already drunk people as others have implied. He wouldn't do what His word forbids.

Making wine is not forbidden.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Making wine is not forbidden.

Habakkuk 2
Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!

 

[Melach]

Three pages in and none of the naysayers has attempted to gainsay Deuteronomy 14:26.

Gee... I'm so surprised.

its simple. see. the wine there is grape juice. and the strong drink means an energy drink. no way neither of those can possibly mean alcohol.

remember what the bible teaches: be not drunk with much grape juice

 

[Fundaamental]

the scripture is clear and some people refuse it, what else can I do, I have quoted proper scripture, wine is defined as a fermented bevrage from grapes or other fruits, grape juice is not mentioned in the scripture i quoted, people drank wind then it is well known.

Peace.

I believe it's a long old debate, that may have people in a dilemma, for many reasons.

I guess the biggest reason would be the high standards that God set for us and a care for health.

Possibly with some people there intension in mind to do well by theese standards and at the same time maybe an intension to lecture , and maybe not believing there lord would would risk people becoming drunk because of the stern warning of staying sober and vigilant, to remain fully on guard, at all times for the thieve in the night.

Not many can grasp that wine can mean a none alcoholic drink but the truth is you can buy fermented fruit that doesn't contain alcohol,

For that reason wine could still be called wine but none alcoholic.

The element of doubt kicks in because Jesus instantly turned the water to wine with no fermentation process.

Did that wine contain alcohol or some secret medicine that relaxed people the same way. I think there is a passage that it was the best tasting wine they had ever had, or that it tasted of good quality, either way it's possible they had tasted a wine like no other.

As you know really good quality wines come a long old age of fermentation. Not ones that have only had a short time to ferment.

There is much reason for one to be unsure.

 

[Dino246]

Actually Leviticus 10: 8-11 would be more applicable: 8 And the LORD spake unto Aaron, saying,
9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations: 10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean; 11 And that ye may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD hath spoken unto them by the hand of Moses.

Are believers within a Royal Priesthood even better than the Levitical priesthood? Do believers enter into the sanctuary in Heaven when they pray, which is better than the tabernacle of the congregation? Do believers need to put a difference between holy and unholy and between clean and unclean?

Now regarding the first miracle of Christ, we need to understand that that wine was unfermented grape juice of a very special quality. And that the word "wine" in Scripture can apply to both unfermented grape juice as well as strong fermented alcoholic drinks (depending on context, and also the different Hebrew words used). The distinction is not found in the Greek.

We should also take note that regarding the Lord's Supper the Bible speaks of "the cup" rather than its contents. Since yeast and fermentation are equated with corruption and sin in the Bible, the bread and the wine were both without fermentation -- hence "unleavened bread" for the Passover as well as the Lord's Supper, and pure grape juice would represented the sinless blood of the Lamb.

Christians are not given specific instruction to avoid alcohol, nor for any other aspect of our priesthood. It’s speculation to assume that the instructions for OT priests should be applied.

 

[Mem]

does this mean I can't use pure vanilla extract in my cookies anymore?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Amazing how far non-brewer-baptists will go to claim any level of alcohol consumption is sinful.

“Everyone serves the good wine first, and when people have drunk freely, then the poor wine. But you have kept the good wine until now.”

That statement would not apply very well to un-fermented juice.

but you must remember. the Jews were not allowed to have yeast from Barley, rice, grains, wheat, etc.
if they were allowed, the wine would be around 60% alcohol.

but since that's against the LAW, they use grape skins and sugar.
that maxes out around 15% after 3 weeks fermenting.
anything before that would be less than 10%

so, it would take drinking a whole lot of wine to match 2 American brewed beers.

 

[Magenta]

BTW, I'm not against the proper use of alcohol. It has many uses. It's used for extracts, tinctures, and you've no doubt used it as an antiseptic. But I don't believe that Jesus was acting as a bartender for already drunk people as others have implied. He wouldn't do what His word forbids.

His Word does not forbid the making of wine, or the use of it in celebrations to make merry.
The Bible does not prohibit the consumption of alcohol. It does speak against drunkenness.

 

[posthuman]

you have no clue as to whether or not Jesus drank the alcoholic wine that He made. All that you have is speculation and the arrogance to believe that your unfounded opinions are beyond challenging.

Matthew 11:18-19​

For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon.' ​

The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' ​

But wisdom is justified by her children.​

this seems to make it very clear that Jesus did not totally abstain from wine and that what is being referred to as wine is fermented.

 

[posthuman]

but you must remember. the Jews were not allowed to have yeast from Barley, rice, grains, wheat, etc.
if they were allowed, the wine would be around 60% alcohol.

no expert here, but i don't think wine is possible to have more than about 25% alcohol...?

we have made some with no yeast added, only what is naturally occurring on the skin of our blueberries, and we seem to get around 10-15% from it if we are doing the math correctly - in the ballpark of your estimate, i agree

 

[Magenta]

no expert here, but i don't think wine is possible to have more than about 25% alcohol...?

we have made some with no yeast added, only what is naturally occurring on the skin of our blueberries, and we
seem to get around 10-15% from it if we are doing the math correctly - in the ballpark of your estimate, i agree

I came across this post yesterday while looking for another:

Wine as we know it is usually about 12% alcohol by volume, but can vary between 10-14%.

Beer is around 5%. Port, Madeira, Sherry, Other Fortified Dessert Wines @ 17-21%.

Liquors such as Gin, Vodka, Whiskey, Scotch, Rum, Tequila & etc. run between 35-45% ABV.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

i read through this thread again.
did the Op commit some sort of Blasphemy, i really only see his opinion given.
none of which is threatening to our Salvation.
just wondering how he was Banned?
must be because the bullies picked on him.
typical non Christian reaction.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

if the bullies got him, then maybe those Reviews about this place are more factual then hurt opinion..

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Thank God, that He "see's" Everything!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

some better hope their False Grace doctrine is legit
because, you can feel they think they're right in this matter
may God let You Reap what you have Sewn

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

at least how God discerned you to me is 100% accurate!

 

[Aaron56]

if the bullies got him, then maybe those Reviews about this place are more factual then hurt opinion..

Um, you think his banning had anything to do about his beliefs about the Jews and his attitude here and in other threads?

 

[Dino246]

His Word does not forbid the making of wine, or the use of it in celebrations to make merry.
The Bible does not prohibit the consumption of alcohol. It does speak against drunkenness.

But but but... Everyone needs to be a self-righteous tee-totaller like meeee!