He was keeping neither the first commandment or the commandment found in Leviticus 19:18.
He was breaking the commandments of God without even being aware of it.
That's what Jesus was pointing out to him.
Works of the Law
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He was breaking the commandments of God without even being aware of it.
That's what Jesus was pointing out to him.
You want me to obey you and not God? You don't even understand the teaching of these verses. No flesh will ever be justified by works of the law. Not because the law is bad, it is perfect. It is the weakness and imperfection the flesh. Jesus is pointing out the imperfection of the rich young ruler. He is not without sin and thus cannot inherit eternal life through the law. He understood what Jesus was teaching. That's why he went away sad. He didn't truly love his neighbour as himself. Neither did he love God above his riches.
Cameron...I know you can't keep that promise, but please try and I will answer your question.
Jesus was telling the man, if what he said was True, that he was able to keep the Commandments..it meant he had been born of God. And when someone is born of God two things change about them.
First is they can not sin...and the second is they are unable to hate their neighbor.
This is clearly written in (1 John 3:9-10) where it says...
Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
If this man had been born of God, he would have loved his brother, and because he loved his brother, he would have joyfully given to the poor instead of walking away. Jesus was showing the man the true condition of his heart. But unfortunately many do not believe this clearly written scripture either, so it must have someones commentary to make it a lie also. And this is why you don't know the rest of the story.
Jesus was telling the man, if what he said was True, that he was able to keep the Commandments..it meant he had been born of God. And when someone is born of God two things change about them.
First is they can not sin...and the second is they are unable to hate their neighbor.
This is clearly written in (1 John 3:9-10) where it says...
Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
If this man had been born of God, he would have loved his brother, and because he loved his brother, he would have joyfully given to the poor instead of walking away. Jesus was showing the man the true condition of his heart. But unfortunately many do not believe this clearly written scripture either, so it must have someones commentary to make it a lie also. And this is why you don't know the rest of the story.
Well if you believe God is telling you to teach and make Jesus look like a liar, maybe it's not God teaching you these things. Just sayin ...
Now I understand where you are coming from at least.
But your understanding of the highlighted verses is also incorrect. But at least I understand how you have arrived at your conclusion.
You may want to read 1st John 1 a little closer before you believe people can be sinless.
I realize you are well intentioned towards me but your zeal is without knowledge.
I guess that you have a point in that I don't know them personally, but then again, we don't know you either, right? So by your own method of eliminating teachers, you're out! lol.
No, we compare what they teach with Scripture... and as I've already pointed out, your teaching doesn't align with God's Word.
you see Gods love here
“Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.”
1 John 3:16 KJV
Not by leaving the edges of your crops for the poor if your brothers and sisters were hungry and you loved them , would you leave the edges of your crops for them ? Or set a table and serve them hospitably like you loved them ?
that’s the difference in what Moses said and what Jesus said one is an insufficient pattern the other is reality and eternal life
In other words when we stand before Jesus we won’t be answering for what Moses said in the ot but what Jesus taught in the New Testament
you won’t hear about leaving the edges of crops but you’ll answer in this vein so for instance judgement day
“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations:
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. …And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
Matthew 25:31-32, 34-36, 40-43, 45-46 KJV
Do you see how Jesus isn’t going to open Moses books and judge people by what Moses said ? But it’s about this now it has nothing to do with Israel’s regulations regarding crops in Israel but it begins with what Jesus did for us now
“Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us:
and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.”
1 John 3:16-19
The Pharisees who owned farmlands would have most certainly left the edges of thier crops because it was commanded yet they would also see the destitute and poor and do this when Jesus talked of goving to the poor and sharing thier money and possessions
“And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
Luke 16:14-16 KJV
Money is most highly esteemed truly on the world but to God it means nothing to us ot should be means to help others as well as care for our own needs ot shouldn’t have any more value than that but it does love of possessions and money can destroy a soul this is one of the things Jesus is addressing
the young man was rich and seemed a decent man Jesus doesn’t accuse him of deception when he says he kept them all he just says he lacked one thing , to sell his possessions give to the poor and follow Jesus
but the young man was rich and money meant more to him than the people he could have helped in Jesus name it’s sort of this same principle
“But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”
1 Timothy 6:6-10
which is this same principle in the gospel
“If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches? No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.”
Luke 16:11, 13 KJV
the gospel is meant to change how we think the things we value most stuff like that Jesus teachings will devalue money and possessions in our hearts and he will lift up the value of other people to n our hearts making the people worth more To us than the mammon and possession and money Moses law doesn’t accomplish that it actually induces greed and self righteousness “
“if they would have kept the law they wouldn’t be poor and destitute they would be rich like me “
Jesus creates a non judgemental attitude “ they have made a lot of mistakes obviously and they are broken like I was and have been or maybe am still and I can help them let me love them because of that principle that believers of the gospel have
We love because he fist loved us
As I noticed earlier, he seems to side with the Accuser's ways. Kinda' sad to watch... like a train-wreck in progress.
I'm not exactly sure what you are saying. Perhaps if you would explain it in a couple of sentences.
He seems to be an adherent to life through the law, and not by grace. So he attempts to force the new covenant into the old. He's merely putting new wine in old wineskins and doesn't understand why they keep bursting. Sounds like a great candidate for our prayers.
Its alright brother there’s no issue or offense I hope none was intended but I’m not really able to say things n a couple sentences lol we’ve discussed this before
just not a skill i have and also I think always trying to summarize leaves a lot of rhe details out and in the details is the understanding
i apologize I’ll just move on to another discussion later God bless brother
I'm never offended by posts, and least of all yours. I enjoy responding to your comments but I easily lose track going from idea to idea. The fault isn't in you, but me.
Naw brother we usually as Christian’s share fault but because you and I are brothers we refuse to accept any offense and so we have a good spiritual relationship even if we don’t fully agree or understand what each other is saying at any given time
We share any fault but that’s an aspect of brotherly love sharing in fault and forgetting and refusing offenses where they are never intended
your appreciated as always been needing some of that humor
I am a coffee addict.
At six in the morning I arrive at the coffee shop.
Hope there is a coffee shop in heaven.
As soon as you mention 'sin' and the word 'repent', the problem of interpretation rises in difficulty.
There are four definitions of sin in the scripture but they can be reduced to simply. Disobedience to God's direct instruction.
As for repentance, there is a dual meaning, turning to Jesus and forsaking sin.
I don't think it is possible to identify the breadth of sin in one's own life, though.
May I ask you to explain the following two verses?
Proverbs 10:12
Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all offenses.
1 Peter 4:8
Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.
Grace is a boundless source of power from God that is given to us. This gift is often accepted by people for their past sins and they stop here. JUSTIFICATION.
God wants so much more, even the holy standard that Jesus was when on Earth, PERFECTION.
Grace is given for more then just justification, it is also for us to be transformed into Gods image.
If your not growing in grace it is because Gods grace is lacking, it is because you lack faith. Or because you do not realize your needs.
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
2Co 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
1Pe 4:10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
God's grace is more then able to save us from sin.
Not just past sin but also present and future sins.
If you are teaching that we should aim for anything less then perfection you are lacking faith in God's grace.
Rom 8:37 qNay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
God wants so much more, even the holy standard that Jesus was when on Earth, PERFECTION.
Grace is given for more then just justification, it is also for us to be transformed into Gods image.
If your not growing in grace it is because Gods grace is lacking, it is because you lack faith. Or because you do not realize your needs.
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
2Co 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
1Pe 4:10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
God's grace is more then able to save us from sin.
Not just past sin but also present and future sins.
If you are teaching that we should aim for anything less then perfection you are lacking faith in God's grace.
Rom 8:37 qNay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Exactly what it says, hatred brings strif, but love is patient, kind, longsuffering, gentile and GRACIOUS. love covers or overcomes sin.
Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Hence, we have the two commandments.
1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
1 John 4:7-8
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
1 John 4:12
No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us.
1 John 4:21
And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.