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a child who belligerently refuses to obey his or her parents is to be put to death, under Torah, by all the men of the city together. Deuteronomy 21:18-21
that does sound like accountability.
and then you have this,
that does sound like accountability.
and then you have this,
Jonah 4:11
And should I not pity Nineveh, that great city, in which are more than one hundred and twenty thousand persons who cannot discern between their right hand and their left—and much livestock?
which kind of sounds like not accountable, but they are still to be pitied, and can still be saved..
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i don't see "blind faith" mentioned in the text, but i do see humility...
and an implicit warning not to refuse to receive children in His name....
and an implicit warning not to refuse to receive children in His name....
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Deuteronomy 21:18-21 and many other places indicate that God believes a child worth rebuking when they are wrong.
Elihu isn't rebuked, and that is significant
the position that holds no one responds to him because he's just a kid so they ignore him doesn't hold any water, imo - God devotes 6 chapters to him, in a very prestigious place, just before God Himself speaks - and if these elders in the city gates really believed Elihu should not speak they would have shut him up.
instead they have no answer to him, and the very fact they don't drive him away for speaking in their presence when he is young indicates their conviction at his words.
Elihu isn't rebuked, and that is significant
the position that holds no one responds to him because he's just a kid so they ignore him doesn't hold any water, imo - God devotes 6 chapters to him, in a very prestigious place, just before God Himself speaks - and if these elders in the city gates really believed Elihu should not speak they would have shut him up.
instead they have no answer to him, and the very fact they don't drive him away for speaking in their presence when he is young indicates their conviction at his words.
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i was just explaining what i thought Oyster was saying.
to figure out where we get 12-13 yes old from, we need to talk to a Jew. i'm afraid i don't know well enough where this comes from, apart from that it's in mishnah, and whether those old rabbis were wrong or right, they did always use scripture to back up what they were saying...
so there's some perceived basis for the idea that goes back a very long time in Hebrew culture.
to figure out where we get 12-13 yes old from, we need to talk to a Jew. i'm afraid i don't know well enough where this comes from, apart from that it's in mishnah, and whether those old rabbis were wrong or right, they did always use scripture to back up what they were saying...
so there's some perceived basis for the idea that goes back a very long time in Hebrew culture.
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