Why is Christ coming again?

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awelight said:
Those who believe that Christ died for ALL mankind, limit the efficacy of His sacrifice. That is - He died for ALL but cannot and will not save ALL.
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Nothing is limited. Christ gives everyone what they desire. For some it is eternal salvation and relationship with Him, for others it is eternity without Him because that’s what they chose.

I believe you have very sincere love for Christ, our Lord and Savior, and for that I rejoice. I also appreciate you taking the time to diligently share your views, however in a spirit of mutual respect, let us put this discussion behind us. I leave you with love and peace in the name of Jesus Christ.
 
awelight said:
Those who believe that Christ died for ALL mankind, limit the efficacy
of His sacrifice. That is - He died for ALL but cannot and will not save ALL.
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We do not limit it - GOD DOES.

By grace through faith.

That is Christianity 101.
 
Snacks said:
Nothing is limited. Christ gives everyone what they desire. For some it is eternal salvation and relationship with Him, for others it is eternity without Him because that’s what they chose.

I believe you have very sincere love for Christ, our Lord and Savior, and for that I rejoice. I also appreciate you taking the time to diligently share your views, however in a spirit of mutual respect, let us put this discussion behind us. I leave you with love and peace in the name of Jesus Christ.
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Very well. I have know desire to to be heavy handed. Only trying to further edify a brother. Go in peace.
 
Reading some of the first posts... there is a difference in delief about what Jesus will do when He comes.
Some are saying He will set up an Earthly kingdom and rule for 1000 years, others believe the mansions are in heaven and the 1000 years are spent there.

I find no bible verses to believe that Jesus will rule on the Earth... He will rule with the Father in Heaven.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

An earthly throne would not suffice for Christ. Plus He is already the King of the saved. His kingdom will be on Earth when made new.. after the 1000 years.
 
TMS said:
Reading some of the first posts... there is a difference in delief about what Jesus will do when He comes.
Some are saying He will set up an Earthly kingdom and rule for 1000 years, others believe the mansions are in heaven and the 1000 years are spent there.

I find no bible verses to believe that Jesus will rule on the Earth... He will rule with the Father in Heaven.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

An earthly throne would not suffice for Christ. Plus He is already the King of the saved. His kingdom will be on Earth when made new.. after the 1000 years.
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I want to tackle what you said last - first. You said: "An earthly throne would not suffice for Christ" Question then. Did the Tabernacle house God? No - but it was the place where Israel met with God. Could the Temple house God? No - but it replaced the traveling Tabernacle. Can an earthly thrown house the Glory and Power of the Lord? No - but it is where those, who comprise the earthly aspect of the Kingdom, will meet with THE King of kings. For the Kingdom of God, has a spiritual aspect and a physical aspect. Just as today, the Church has a spiritual aspect - Universal - and a physical aspect - the local church. Additionally, for Christ to be the King of kings, His linage must go back to King David. This is why Matthew, in the Gospels, wrote from the perspective, that Christ was King and took great pains to link Jesus to King David. (Mat. 1:1-17).

There will be a physical kingdom on earth and after the thousand years, the heavenly and earthly shall join as one - then there shall be no more time.. (Rev. 20&21). A few Passages on the subject:

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 and cast him into the abyss, and shut it, and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years should be finished: after this he must be loosed for a little time.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as worshipped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years should be finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: over these the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The thousand year reign is when and where God will fulfill the unfulfilled Prophecies, given to the Israel. Such as:

The Palestinian Covenant - Gen 15:17-21 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold, a smoking furnace, and a flaming torch that passed between these pieces. In that day Jehovah made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: the Kenite, and the Kenizzite, and the Kadmonite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Rephaim, and the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Girgashite, and the Jebusite.

The New Covenant - Jer 31:31-34 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith Jehovah. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith Jehovah: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more. See also - Romans 9-11, where Paul discusses the future remnant of Israel.

Promises, yet unfulfilled, given to Jesus, related to His Second Coming - Psalms 110:1-7 A Psalm of David. Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Jehovah will send forth the rod of thy strength out of Zion: Rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. Thy people offer themselves willingly In the day of thy power, in holy array: Out of the womb of the morning Thou hast the dew of thy youth. Jehovah hath sworn, and will not repent: Thou art a priest for ever After the order of Melchizedek. The Lord at thy right hand Will strike through kings in the day of his wrath. He will judge among the nations, He will fill the places with dead bodies; He will strike through the head in many countries. He will drink of the brook in the way: Therefore will he lift up the head.

Promises In regards to creation - Isa 11:6-9 And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea.

As to the throne of David/Jesus Christ - Isa 9:6,7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this.

Psa_132:11 Jehovah hath sworn unto David in truth; He will not turn from it: Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.

I think you get the point. There are many, many more that have not yet been fulfilled.

 
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