Why is Christ coming again?
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the first time he came he offered repentance and salvation to all who accept the gospel he has to let that run its course so people can choose salvation or the world when all
Have had the chance to hear the gospel he will return to destroy the corrupt evil throughout the world and gather all of his people who are saved together for his new creation where we will all see him face to face
he had to first offer salvstion and later return to reward his people for thier faith in him had he only come once , he could y have offered salvstion later or made any of his promises for an eternal world after this one
His second coming will be as King to fulfill the covenant the Lord made with Israel to restore the kingdom of Israel in Jerusalem on David’s throne. At this time, He will take away their sins.
John 14:4
And where I go you know, and the way you know.”
Psalm 16:11
You will show me the path of life; In Your presence is fullness of joy; At Your right hand are pleasures forevermore.
John 17:24
Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
Matthew 25:21
.......Enter into the joy of your master!’
Blood as high as a bridle for those who maintain evil hearts, despite the law, prophets, Jesus, book of Acts and the Church among them, and the final warning of the two witnesses.
In that day, all the people who corrupted children, hurt the innocent, and destroyed God's beautiful creation by will, will find a quick bleed out, via a single word.
Don't be one of those, choose Repentance and seek the will of God through his Son Jesus, that you may be called a son of the Most High.
Jesus is quite literally coming back to bring The Sword and he will kill the entire last wicked generation and feed their bodies to the beasts of field and the birds of the air will drink the blood of the princes.
Agree, but many think of the second coming as a general time period encompassing both events.
3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Christ comes the first time to Rapture all His True Children --the dead first then the living -----
The Second Time Christ comes he comes to separate the sheep from the goats -------it happens at the end of the 7 year tribulation ----- judgment then prevails ----
Matthew 25
The Sheep and the Goats
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Question:
Will these "goats" go to lake of fire before the White Throne Judgement?
Thanks for your reply.
However, you might want to think that through a bit more. What person is going to "tell" you that they believe in a Jesus Christ that is non-Biblical? Everyone thinks it is the Jesus Christ of the Bible but will it hold up in the light of revealed Truth. Our hearts are desperately wicked and who can know it? We are all susceptible to outward and inward deception. The only guard against that, is to know what the Bible says about Jesus Christ. Any deviation from it, is not the Biblical Christ.
A few questions as examples:
1) Does one believe that Jesus Christ is fully man and fully God?
2) Does one believe that Jesus Christ had a Peccable or Impeccable nature?
3) Does one believe that He is the only way to Salvation?
4) Does one believe He is the second Person of the Godhead?
5) Does one believe that Jesus Christ loves everyone or those the Father gave to Him?
6) Does one believe that Jesus Christ is the Covenant Lord of Israel?
7) Does one believe that Jesus Christ will physically return to earth?
How one answers these, will show whether or not they truly know the Gospel or have bought into a worldly view of the Savior. The Holy Spirit guides believers, as they study the Scriptures, into Truth because He is Truth. Most would agree with this statement. However, what they don't ask, is: "How can the same Spirit lead one to believe one thing and another to believe another. He can't and He doesn't. One is deceived and the other is in the Truth - the system of Faith.
So it is not "mole hills" being made into "mountains". For Judgement is coming to those who have rejected the Truth.
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Oh my dear Magenta. These images are so sad. It pains me to see these and whom they are supposed to represent. I wished you had not posted them.
1 Yes
2 Impeccable
3 Yes
4 Yes
5 Everyone
6 Yes
7 Yes
Some are deceived and some are in Truth, but there is another category, tares who enjoy lying and sowing discord in order to destroy peoples’ faith. Those who make mountains out of molehills are usually the latter.
I rejoiced in your answers. And thanks for answering them. Many would not. I rejoiced in all your answer except #5. This is widely taught but denies the truth of Particular Redemption. A very important subject.
I state the following for your consideration..
All limit Christ's work in some way. Those who believe that Christ died for ALL mankind, limit the efficacy of His sacrifice. That is - He died for ALL but cannot and will not save ALL. Those who believe in Particular Redemption, limit the extent of His sacrifice but not His efficacy. That is - ALL that He died for, He can and will bring into the ark of safety. Which sounds more like the work of the Sovereign God of all creation? Who would limit Jesus Christ's efficacy. Not I.
Additionally, what do you do with these verses from God's Holy Word. Please don't reject my argument out of hand but consider prayerfully what they say.
Luke_18:7 And shall not God avenge his elect, that cry to him day and night, and yet he is longsuffering over them?
Rom_8:33 Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? It is God that is justifying;
Col_3:12 Put on therefore, as God's elect, holy and beloved, a heart of compassion, kindness, lowliness, meekness, longsuffering;
As to the Doctrine of Particular Redemption:
Mar_10:45 For the Son of man also came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
1Tim_2:6 who gave himself a ransom for all; the testimony to be borne in its own times;
Is there a contradiction in these two verses. God forbid. Yet, one says for many and the other for all. Which is Truth? If you look at the context of 1 Tim 2:6, you will find that the word "all" is not being used as in "everyone" but as in "all manner of" The same is true in 1 Tim 2:4. If God would or willed that ALL mankind be saved, then ALL mankind would be saved. The understanding in this verse is, that ALL MANNER of men will be saved. From Kings to the beggar on the street. Then we have these verses:
John_10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd is laying down his life for the sheep.
John_10:15 even as the Father knows me, and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd.
A particular group - right? Not all mankind are the sheep, fore this would not make sense in light of verse 16. Also, note the following spoke by our Lord:
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John10:28 and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand.
There are many places in the Scripture where ALL is used about the subject of Salvation but they must be reconciled with those that limit Christ's Redemptive work. One does not rule over the other. One does not excuse the other. If there is even one verse that limits His Redemptive work - and there are many - then we must reconcile the word "ALL" to something other than number. Anything else is either bad exegesis, poor reasoning or willful deceit.
Hope you will consider this in the spirit it was given.
My View on your question
The Goats are still alive when Jesus comes back the second time ----as are the sheep ---these people survived through the 7 year Tribulation period and are now being told what Judgment awaits them -------the Goats are cursed and on their way to the White Throne Judgment which brings their 2nd death -which is the lake of fire ----and the Sheep will be on their way to the Bema Seat Judgment of Christ which brings rewards and eternal life -----
The Lake of Fire is the final Judgment after the White Throne Judgment ---that is what I understand from scripture ------
just posting this --read all here if interested ------
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_145.cfmSummary
When Christ comes back, He will judge the nation Israel, the living nations, the tribulation saints, and the Old Testament saints. He will separate them as a shepherd separates sheep from the goats. The sheep, the believers, will enter into His kingdom, while the goats, the unbelievers, will be sent to judgment.
Your posted article says (about goats):
"Although the Scripture does not say, they will probably be put to death. Their final judgment does not take place at this time. It will occur after the Millennium, the thousand reign of Christ upon the earth."
Thanks
Christ died for all mankind in that His death gives an opportunity for all mankind to be saved but unfortunately many choose not to be saved. The sheep that are not of His fold are Gentiles saved by grace through faith.
So you still cling to the idea that Christ died for everyone? It is the easier Doctrine to hold too. The idea was put forth originally by Jacobus Arminius. You then place yourself in this camp, as illustrated in my previous post.
Those who believe that Christ died for ALL mankind, limit the efficacy of His sacrifice. That is - He died for ALL but cannot and will not save ALL.
Sadly, you chose to ignore the examples, that I gave from the Scriptures, that show Christ died for the Elect/Sheep. This Doctrine is much more difficult to accept, because our own deceived hearts and fallen nature, don't like being told, what this teaches. Remember this in the Scriptures.
John 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they heard this, said, This is a hard saying; who can hear it?
Doctrinal Truths are never easy to hear. They offend the natural man. Our Lord then makes these statements to clarify the point.
John 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who it was that should betray him.
Remember in John 10 - Christ stated: I know my Sheep and they know me. How is this? (See Eph. 1:4). Now Jesus Christ makes an astounding statement.
John 6:65 And he said, For this cause have I said unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it be given unto him of the Father.
This proclamation should make you think of John 10:28&29. We then see the results this had on the people that were not God's Elect and on those that are. First, the non-Elect.
John 6:66 Upon this many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Then the Elect.
John 6:67 Jesus said therefore unto the twelve, Would ye also go away?
John 6:68 Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
John 6:69 And we have believed and know that thou art the Holy One of God.
John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Did not I choose you the twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Just some more to consider. God is totally Sovereign. He is executing His plan, laid down in Eternity, before the foundation of the world. Every person Christ died for will be saved - because it was completed in eternity.
Non-Elect:
Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev_17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Elect:
Rev_21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
I heard a teaching recently on tattoos... I understand some believe tattoos are forbidden
according to Scripture, yet the prohibition seems more to be against marking one's self
in recognition of and/or for the dead, mentioned only in Leviticus 19:28, where scarification
is mentioned first, being mentioned other times as well whereas tattoos are not. I myself
do not have any tattoos, except for a couple of small dots, one on each side of my body
around my hips, that were necessary for me to be able to be properly positioned on the table
while I received radiation as part of my cancer treatment. I can't even see them, and since
they were involuntary, I would not even normally count them
Why does art sadden you? 