When are we saved ?

[OIC1965]

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/intrinsic

 

[throughfaith]

I'm glad you realize that faith has no intrinsic value BY OR OF ITSELF. I suspected that there were those present who think that faith DOES have intrinsic value OF OR BY ITSELF, which is why I posted that. And the fact that people are pushing back against that post seems to confirm it.

I do believe faith is a necessary condition for salvation, as I have stated.

As far as the video, I bet the maker of the video believes the same thing I do about election. I will demonstrate it once I confirm it. In a very short time of listening to it already, I heard some indicators that he does hold a similar position to mine. Ill get back to you on that.

I hold to the same position on ' election ' .Theres one on predestination also which explains where I'm coming from . Our small faith is enough in the right object which is the prerequisite to salvation. ' Throughfaith '

 

[throughfaith]

I'm glad you realize that faith has no intrinsic value BY OR OF ITSELF. I suspected that there were those present who think that faith DOES have intrinsic value OF OR BY ITSELF, which is why I posted that. And the fact that people are pushing back against that post seems to confirm it.

I do believe faith is a necessary condition for salvation, as I have stated.

As far as the video, I bet the maker of the video believes the same thing I do about election. I will demonstrate it once I confirm it. In a very short time of listening to it already, I heard some indicators that he does hold a similar position to mine. Ill get back to you on that.

I guess the term your using may sound strange . ' intrinsic value ' . I Just think our trust in What God has done ultimately pleases him . After all we should believe / trust in what God has provided .

 

[Klassiter]

The moment you decide to allow Romans 10:9 to be truly in your heart is when you are saved

 

[OIC1965]

I hold to the same position on ' election ' .Theres one on predestination also which explains where I'm coming from . Our small faith is enough in the right object which is the prerequisite to salvation. ' Throughfaith '

Yes, you correctly said that faith is COUNTED for righteousness.

Christ’s work makes one righteous. Faith justifies because of its object, not because of it’s own virtue. Right?

 

[OIC1965]

I guess the term your using may sound strange . ' intrinsic value ' . I Just think our trust in What God has done ultimately pleases him . After all we should believe / trust in what God has provided .

What I mean is that there is no saving or redeeming virtue in the mere act of believing BY ITSELF. It only saves because of its connection to Christ and His Work. It is Christ’s work that saves, and faith is counted for righteousness BASED on that.

 

[OIC1965]

The moment you decide to allow Romans 10:9 to be truly in your heart is when you are saved

Yes, when you believe, faith is counted for righteousness BECAUSE OF what CHRIST has done on our behalf. It is counted for righteousness in His Name and for His sake.

Some of the contemporary church seems to have lost this emphasis.

 

[throughfaith]

What I mean is that there is no saving or redeeming virtue in the mere act of believing BY ITSELF. It only saves because of its connection to Christ and His Work. It is Christ’s work that saves, and faith is counted for righteousness BASED on that.

Faith / believing/ trust IS the prerequisite God has commanded and requires of us to be reconciled.

 

[OIC1965]

Faith / believing/ trust IS the prerequisite God has commanded and requires of us to be reconciled.

I already agreed that is true. This statement has no bearing or effect on what I have said.

It is the object of our faith that saves us, not the virtue of the mere act of believing.

Saved BY grace THROUGH faith!

 

[lenna]

So you think Abraham was justified outside of Christ because Christ was not yet born? Don’t you know that Christ is the Saviour of OT believers too?

You tell me to go study, but you don’t understand foreknowledge? Or that Christ’s work was applied to OT saints too?! Or that salvation has always been through Christ?

What does Christ wasn’t born yet have to do with ANYTHING?

I believe what scripture states

your obvious confusion is not my problem

 

[OIC1965]

I believe what scripture states

your obvious confusion is not my problem

Abraham rejoiced to see my day...

Do you believe that? Or have you not read it?

 

[lenna]

You think I am back and forth because you operate under a false dichotomy. Only you and Eleventh have accused me of this, because you both have the same underlying belief system that uses false dichotomy.

Oh, throughfaith thinks I’m back and forth because He thinks election is after calling and adoption doesn’t happen till the resurrection

But at least he’s civil and doesn’t wrongly label people once they tell him what they’re not!

Either unconditional election

Or

No election.

False dichotomy

Elect according to foreknowledge doesn’t necessarily hold to either of these because there is more than one position on that BIBLICAL phrase

But you have not even come to that verse yet?

Eternally was right about you both. You assume people are Calvinists because they use words like election, foreknowledge, predestination, etc.

blah blah blah

etc

you have exhibited the ability to go chameleon in this thread

it is observable to those with comprehension, hence the questioning of what it is you actually believe

period

 

[OIC1965]

blah blah blah

etc

you have exhibited the ability to go chameleon in this thread

it is observable to those with comprehension, hence the questioning of what it is you actually believe

period

I suggest you grammatically research Ephesians 1 starting at verse 3 and 1 Peter 1 starting at verse 1 about election and foreknowledge.

 

[lenna]

Peter’s a Calvinist?!! I guess I better switch to Calvinism.

You never read “ elect according to the foreknowledge of God” IN THE BIBLE

Ok, I guess you haven’t read that far yet. That’s ok. Try 1 Peter 1:1-2.

And I never said two spirits of God. You must be sleepy or something.

I never said that. your comprehension is not working

Yes, I guess the apostle Peter and I are Calvinists. She thought “ elect according to foreknowledge was Calvinistic? Try
1 Peter 2:1-2.

based on your comment above, I am not even going to try. further, no one said you are the owner of the 2 spirits comment. try to keep up

 

[lenna]

Abraham rejoiced to see my day...

Do you believe that? Or have you not read it?

God told Abraham that his faith in (God) Him was accounted to him as righteousness

possibly your fog over this might clear a little if you comprehend that salvation is faith based

however you seem to be stuck on no one is saved unless elected, in other words no choice, but you have also said we do choose, so the merry go round is your understanding

I read the story of Abraham. I read he was accounted righteous by God because of his faith (belief) in God

you confuse/conflate/mashup the two testaments. you can quote me

 

[OIC1965]

I believe what scripture states

your obvious confusion is not my problem

Do you believe that Christ was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world?

Do you believe and understand Romans 3:25-26 which says that God set forth Jesus as a propitiation for sin to demonstrate His righteousness in passing over (or rather the passing by) the sins that were FORMERLY committed, which were passed over through the forebearance of God?

 

[OIC1965]

I never said that. your comprehension is not working



based on your comment above, I am not even going to try. further, no one said you are the owner of the 2 spirits comment. try to keep up

You specifically singled out my quote of Peter, set it off and apart from the rest of your post and said “you’re not a Calvinist, huh?“ Or something to that effect

Why would you single out that quote and then try to label me a Calvinist based on that?

And why were you calling me into account for what someone else said

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Yes, it is His work that has value to save. Our faith merely receives it. Faith has no salvific power outside the work of Christ. That’s why it’s saved BY Grace THROUGH faith. That’s why salvation is not of ourselves, it is the gift of God, and that removes ground for boasting.

Eph 2:9, I believe that the faith in this verse is not man's faith, but the faith of Jesus. To my thinking, this verse harmonizes with Gal 2:16, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.

By man's knowledge, and understanding of this, man's faith is counted unto him for righteousness.

 

[OIC1965]

God told Abraham that his faith in (God) Him was accounted to him as righteousness

possibly your fog over this might clear a little if you comprehend that salvation is faith based

however you seem to be stuck on no one is saved unless elected, in other words no choice, but you have also said we do choose, so the merry go round is your understanding

I read the story of Abraham. I read he was accounted righteous by God because of his faith (belief) in God

you confuse/conflate/mashup the two testaments. you can quote me

You are the one who is confused. The doctrine of election does not contradict the necessity of believing, or choosing as you put it. Your confusion is what causes you to think it does.

I have clearly stated my position and you have badly misunderstood because you do not understand the biblical concepts that are being stated

 

[OIC1965]

God told Abraham that his faith in (God) Him was accounted to him as righteousness

possibly your fog over this might clear a little if you comprehend that salvation is faith based

however you seem to be stuck on no one is saved unless elected, in other words no choice, but you have also said we do choose, so the merry go round is your understanding

I read the story of Abraham. I read he was accounted righteous by God because of his faith (belief) in God

you confuse/conflate/mashup the two testaments. you can quote me

Do you believe in eternal security?