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When are we saved ?
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In some versions of the bible men have changed the wording to take away the power of the Godhead by interpreting scriptures to fit their personal beliefs. It makes a person wonder if they are democrats trying to strip anything pertaining to God out of the scriptures. Just kidding! Just kidding!.
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Regenerated children of God have faith in the gospel that has been revealed to them by the Holy Spirit. That faith can contribute to the experience of being delivered from a lack of knowledge of the gospel. That faith is not responsible for their eternal deliverance.
You don’t add any value to Christ’s work. You just receive the blessings of it through faith.
I think he copy/pastes things to agree or make it look like he is not in agreement with Calvinism, then, he comes up with these ideas
from some parallel universe and starts with the cloned Calvinistic doctrine
he does not have to call himself a follower of Calvin to share either all or some of the beliefs
he certainly believes we do not have a choice
but he is not a Calvinist. just believes like one. other people here have said the same but believed the doctrine
anyway, take him at his word. he is not a Calvinist; he just believes like one
not Calvinistic at all. not at all
we are not all nuts here. and now we have 2 spirits of God. the Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost. you can't make this stuff up
anyway, he is the one who has to live with it
Let’s take you at your word that you hold to a false dichotomy of either unconditional election or no election at all. Rather sad.
Yes, it is His work that has value to save. Our faith merely receives it. Faith has no salvific power outside the work of Christ. That’s why it’s saved BY Grace THROUGH faith. That’s why salvation is not of ourselves, it is the gift of God, and that removes ground for boasting.
not Calvinistic at all. not at all
we are not all nuts here. and now we have 2 spirits of God. the Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost. you can't make this stuff up
anyway, he is the one who has to live with it
Peter’s a Calvinist?!! I guess I better switch to Calvinism.
You never read “ elect according to the foreknowledge of God” IN THE BIBLE
Ok, I guess you haven’t read that far yet. That’s ok. Try 1 Peter 1:1-2.
And I never said two spirits of God. You must be sleepy or something.
Yes, I guess the apostle Peter and I are Calvinists. She thought “ elect according to foreknowledge was Calvinistic? Try
1 Peter 2:1-2.
Correction. 1 Peter 1:1-2
Elect or chosen according to foreknowledge is not Calvinistic, it’s Petrine. You two might want to get your facts straight before you label someone
And it wasn’t me who said two spirits of God.
I agreed. That's the formula.In A Nutshell
Romans 10:9-10KJV
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
No Word from GOD will ever fail (Luke 1:37)."
You think I am back and forth because you operate under a false dichotomy. Only you and Eleventh have accused me of this, because you both have the same underlying belief system that uses false dichotomy.
Oh, throughfaith thinks I’m back and forth because He thinks election is after calling and adoption doesn’t happen till the resurrection
But at least he’s civil and doesn’t wrongly label people once they tell him what they’re not!
Either unconditional election
Or
No election.
False dichotomy
Elect according to foreknowledge doesn’t necessarily hold to either of these because there is more than one position on that BIBLICAL phrase
But you have not even come to that verse yet?
Eternally was right about you both. You assume people are Calvinists because they use words like election, foreknowledge, predestination, etc.
So you think Abraham was justified outside of Christ because Christ was not yet born? Don’t you know that Christ is the Saviour of OT believers too?
You tell me to go study, but you don’t understand foreknowledge? Or that Christ’s work was applied to OT saints too?! Or that salvation has always been through Christ?
What does Christ wasn’t born yet have to do with ANYTHING?
I didn't say it has value. Its the prerequisite. Rom 5
¶Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2By whom also we have access by
I'm glad you realize that faith has no intrinsic value BY OR OF ITSELF. I suspected that there were those present who think that faith DOES have intrinsic value OF OR BY ITSELF, which is why I posted that. And the fact that people are pushing back against that post seems to confirm it.
I do believe faith is a necessary condition for salvation, as I have stated.
As far as the video, I bet the maker of the video believes the same thing I do about election. I will demonstrate it once I confirm it. In a very short time of listening to it already, I heard some indicators that he does hold a similar position to mine. Ill get back to you on that.