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When are we saved ?
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He does not understand arguing with the words ( you need to look at scripture and stop there) hinting at, you need to see it my way, can be used by anyone, and hence is a mute argument or strawman, because it does not prove a thing,
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I don't know what he believes
I can't find it in my Bible
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the fact they claim one can merely believing with no true faith is troubling at the least
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All are called.
Would you like to be chosen?
Simply surrender all to Jesus today.
His Atonement has made this possible for all.
Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Would you like to be chosen?
Simply surrender all to Jesus today.
His Atonement has made this possible for all.
Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
To give him a benefit of the doubt Sis, I don't believe he said we are saved by sanctification (even though of course sanctification proceeds from regeneration).
I think he meant we are saved by being born again (REgeneration)...
I go with the Lord Jesus on his definition of what repentance means. He defines it as a ' change of mind ' .
mat 21 .
28¶But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
29He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
Notice he repented AND went . He changed his mind AND went . Its the change of mind . Then because he changes his mind he goes.
Sin is rebellion against God and refusal to accept His Son's Atonement.
John
3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
The devils aren't even given the option to believe unto Salvation. Their time is past. Soon it shall be so for us. Now is the appointed time for us to choose to follow the Lord.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
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like the Scripture says;
'you cannot 'serve two masters', and of course, we cannot be 'luke-warm', we cannot SIT on the fence', or else,
MATT. 12:30.
He that is not with Me is against Me; and he that gathers not with Me scatters abroad.
there's NO Gray... = our fruits bear 'witness'...
I don't know what he believes
I can't find it in my Bible
Some men believe in TULIPs. They believe that they were born into some elite, exclusive, master class. We call these men Hypercalvinists. They carefully clip and paste together their own false doctrines from mutilated copies of God's Holy Word.
I believe in TULIP.
I didn't ever believe I was born into some elite, exclusive master class.
In fact, just before I was saved, I thought I was a vessel built for destruction.
I didn't start out believing in TULIP. It wasn't until after being saved and studying Salvation that I came to this theology and understood that it is the direct result of what scripture ACTUALLY says and not what people WISH it would say.
Don't miss what is right in front of you....the repentance was a turning away from the sin. One is not achieved without the other. Not turning but only confessing is false repentance. Like love and marriage, can't have one without the other.
Fine, you go with modern man's definition and I'll stick with the Hebrew/Greek definition.
The natural man does not understand the things of God. Natural man does not hate sin but runs to it with gusto! and hopes you will run to it with them. Sin can be fun, ..if it wasn't nobody would participate in it. Yet for all the ways for man to sin, the ONLY unforgiveable sin is BLASPHEMY. (from the Greek BLAS 'to speak against' ...PHEMO the Holy Spirit .... the One who teaches, corrects and convicts of sin) .......speaking against God's word
The atonement goes with being born again. God is not "refused", nor is the blood of Christ refused by the believer, it is the covering for his sin.
“Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.” (Romans 5:9-11)
Beautiful!
When are we saved.
We are saved past tense - The word says we are saved in hope. - The work of Christ completed as our hope in his promise.
We are being saved - The ongoing work of the Holy Spirit united to our spirit by which we have everything we need for Eternal life and Godliness. - The being saved by being transformed into what can survive death and the presence of God.
Will be saved - AKA you are not saved yet. - Only those who endure to the end are saved. - The final works of God, our lives tested by fire and what was made of Christ in us is glorified the rest is purified by fire.
If you look at the OT rules for purification you can see salvation
The Spirit to purify like water to purify that which would not survive the fire. (Us without the Spirit of Christ)
The fire to purify everything else, the removal of all remaining sin along with the flesh, condemning sin in the flesh, and the revealing of what of Christ has come to exist in you and me.