When are we saved ?
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oh were back to that verse again . No voices are heard. Its written for our understanding. its not saying " listen out for his voice " .
He does not I dwell us until we believe, but He May speak to us and we may hear Him before we believe. Remember, He will convict the world of...
When people heard and learned of the Father in the Gospels, did they hear His audible voice? No. Same with Spirit. Nice try...not really.
Adoption is a process. It begins by choosing who to adopt (Before the foundation of the world). Next comes the legal fees (Christ's payment of their sins on the cross). Next is to bring the adopted children home (When Jesus returns to gather his elect, chosen, from the four winds of the earth, and takes them home).
The natural man, before he has been regenerated only has faith in man, and his accomplishments. He does not have spiritual faith. Spiritual faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, which is given in regeneration.
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lenna
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Just having fun after the stress in this thread.
Yes they do.. I love Quebec, the north is beautiful, Montreal, Quebec City ..but yes they are are quite anti English, I have an Italian last name so they are not so rough on me.
there is a large population of Italians in Montreal...East end if I remember I think? I once had quite a few Italian friends...Christians that I met
well my last name (before marriage) is as English as it can get...so. alot of French people do not have the anti sentiments to be fair, but there is enough of it
stress in THIS thread? did I miss it ?
Quebec is beautiful and we used spend our summers up north in the Laurentians and later on, in the Lanaudière area, the elevation is higher there...Mt Tremblant and Tremblant park etc. I will always miss it I guess
Whist that inductive reasoning fits the calvinist narrative, it completely ignores the redemption of the body . This is called the Adoption . We become ' a child ' of God ( sons ) not through the process of adoption . But through regeneration. Through the new birth . Hence we are waiting FOR THE ADOPTION . Otherwise Romans 8.23 is a lie . Romans 8 .23 doesn't say " we recieve the final , climactic completion of our adoption " . No its all to do with our bodies .
You are saying that scripture is not the word of God. That could be a dangerous place to be.
The moment man changes his mind when confronted with the Gospel is to believe it . Mans soul still has the capacity to get married, get a degree , build space rockets , believe the Gospel.
By God's foreknowledge, he could see that the natural man would never seek him, without his intervention. Isaiah 64:6-7.
God does still speak to people. Yes, audibly.
It is bothersome due to it being false, that some say He does not
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eternally-gratefull
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True. But not the way you think. Regeneration can not precede justification. Unless God breaks his own rules
Which scripture says that God speaks to people audibly today ?God does still speak to people. Yes, audibly.
It is bothersome due to it being false, that some say He does not
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lenna
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this is a prophecy concerning Jesus
this is not proof of election
this is proof God performs His word
You seem to be struggling, and grasping at straws. You, very well, know that adoption is a process, and we, as a society, use the same process in this day and time. God predestinated us unto the adoption by Jesus Christ, and he paid the adoption price, by his death.
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lenna
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are you comparing what Christ did on our behalf as opposed to 'works' in scripture in the NT?
seriously?
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lenna
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gaaaaa!
Jesus is God's only Son. He was there at creation.
God did not choose Him in the sense people may have a special calling on their life
I cannot believe how you are confusing scripture that pertains to Jesus only, as something applicable to ourselves
no really. it is yet another grave error found that can be added to so many others in this forum
Yes, the natural man still has the capacity to get married, get a degree, build space rockets, but he does not have the capacity to believe in the things of the Spirit. It may do you good, to reread 1 Cor 2:14. The gospel is about spiritual things.