What Controls Our Human Free Will?

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What Controls Our Human Free Will?

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Pilgrimshope said:
Yeah to begin with I wasn’t even talking to you ehich you made a bunch of statements then began demanding I answer questions about “ hundreds of scriptures “ which say all that stuff but you haven’t provided a single one . Yet I’ve provided several and you haven’t acknowledged anything I said . Lol which supports what you’re originally saying is wrong 😀

seems like it wouod just waste my time and you’rs I agree it would be very hard to get in the same page if we won’t even define what the term will means to us. But just claim hundreds of scriptures say it isn’t free .

It would be pretty hard to discuss “ free Will “ if the we don’t even know what the other person means by the term “ will “ I don’t think those pages are even in the same book honestly

Im alright with letting it go whatever opinion you have you’re allowed to have it .
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human Free will can't be defined in the bible that's a problem your never going to solve,

Free will in the Oxford dictionary is defined, but it's a plural of will, it's not even a proper word. It's either used in a noun or an objective.

Inside a person there is a battle of three wills that takes place, the will of the flesh to self destruct or rule, the will of God or the will of The enemy,.

So again could you state which will you want to discuss.
The will of a person in an unsaved position or a saved person.

Will in God's eyes is empowerment and also his devine nature to create.

Will in human flesh has no power no ability to create, all it has is natural intent, which in a naturally wicked heart is held captive to death cited in Hebrews.
 
Jordon said:
human Free will can't be defined in the bible that's a problem your never going to solve,

Free will in the Oxford dictionary is defined, but it's a plural of will, it's not even a proper word. It's either used in a noun or an objective.

Inside a person there is a battle of three wills that takes place, the will of the flesh to self destruct or rule, the will of God or the will of The enemy,.

So again could you state which will you want to discuss.
The will of a person in an unsaved position or a saved person.

Will in God's eyes is empowerment and also his devine nature to create.

Will in human flesh has no power no ability to create, all it has is natural intent, which in a naturally wicked heart is held captive to death cited in Hebrews.
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I’m asking what you are meaning when you use the term . What does the term “ my will “ what does that mean to you ?

im asking not for what a dictionary says but what you are meaning when you say “ human free Will “ can you tell me what you mean ? I’m only asking to understand your position . What’s not free ????? What is a persons “ will “ to you

because im trying to understand what you are saying, I’m asking what is a persons “ will “?

if we had never met and you were telling me “ human free Will doesn’t exist “

and I asked “ what is human will ?

what would you tell me ?
 
Just talking about milk and meat. This is one of those I can see and understand but me personally. Hmm is it not like Christ? I am here to do my Fathers will. This is not the real world. This is not the way it was meant to be. You can say there is only one will.. that He does not want anyone lost but all to be saved. In that they have a choice God or no God.

Think He said on earth as it is in heaven. If we were there this word "will" would never come to mind. Its only in this sinful fallen world. Hard for me words.. yet in heaven no one is a puppet. You can do what ever you want in heaven in the new age to come. We do not know what its like to hear everything in heaven worship Him.. the music... His love... you want nothing else nothing but Him. There are so many feelings emotions that are just not from God. Take sadness.. there is no sadness there.. none. Fear.. worry doubt..
 
Pilgrimshope said:
I’m asking what you are meaning when you use the term . What does the term “ my will “ what does that mean to you ?

im asking not for what a dictionary says but what you are meaning when you say “ human free Will “ can you tell me what you mean ? I’m only asking to understand your position . What’s not free ????? What is a persons “ will “ to you

because im trying to understand what you are saying, I’m asking what is a persons “ will “?

if we had never met and you were telling me “ human free Will doesn’t exist “

and I asked “ what is human will ?

what would you tell me ?
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I told you human will is just assigned to there natural side there flesh. It doesn't have any value to God as it will return to the dust. Human will is self destructive and will not listen unless disciplined by the active living word of God in the unsaved , as human will delights in being happy for it's self, which also means the flesh holds no value to God, and human will,. As God said not one person not one is worthy therefore not one single person's so called free will in there flesh is worthy.

Human will has no comparison to God's will.

A persons will can be many things it can have a will to live or die,
But the will to live is subject to the fear of death in the unsaved, so you don't really have any will to live unless God wills it.

The will of mans.
nature died in the Garden, an what you where left with, was a choice, but no real will and not one that is free that's for sure.

Human will has no life in it what so ever in the unsaved other than what it thinks out of a nature that is fallen, it doesn't hold any value what so ever to God, as a person can not be saved until the father will is complete in them, which means you and everyone else. As God says none is worthy not one, which means also every unsaved person as nothing that's worthy in there imaginary free will.
 
Jordon said:
I told you human will is just assigned to there natural side there flesh. It doesn't have any value to God as it will return to the dust. Human will is self destructive and will not listen unless disciplined by the active living word of God in the unsaved , as human will delights in being happy for it's self, which also means the flesh holds no value to God, and human will,. As God said not one person not one is worthy therefore not one single person's so called free will in there flesh is worthy.

Human will has no comparison to God's will.

A persons will can be many things it can have a will to live or die,
But the will to live is subject to the fear of death in the unsaved, so you don't really have any will to live unless God wills it.

The will of mans.
nature died in the Garden, an what you where left with, was a choice, but no real will and not one that is free that's for sure.

Human will has no life in it what so ever in the unsaved other than what it thinks out of a nature that is fallen, it doesn't hold any value what so ever to God, as a person can not be saved until the father will is complete in them, which means you and everyone else. As God says none is worthy not one, which means also every unsaved person as nothing that's worthy in there imaginary free will.
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Again you explained about your whole opinion regarding “ human will “ which I’ve already understood clearrly you’re opinions regarding “ human Will “

what I’m asking you is what is “ human will ?” You’ve explained all that you believe about “ human will “ so it should be really easy to tell me “ what is human will ?”

What do you mean by the phrase “ human will “ ?

i don’t need you to explain again about “ human will “ I’m asking you to tell
Me what is it?

or what is the term “ will “ to you even in the phrase “ Gods Will “ what does the word “will” mean to you ?
 
Pilgrimshope said:
Again you explained about your whole opinion regarding “ human will “ which I’ve already understood clearrly you’re opinions regarding “ human Will “

what I’m asking you is what is “ human will ?” You’ve explained all that you believe about “ human will “ so it should be really easy to tell me “ what is human will ?”

What do you mean by the phrase “ human will “ ?

i don’t need you to explain again about “ human will “ I’m asking you to tell
Me what is it?

or what is the term “ will “ to you even in the phrase “ Gods Will “ what does the word “will” mean to you ?
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Human will, is absolutely nothing it doesn't do anything other than give a person crazy ideas and fairy tail imaginations,

21st Century King James Version



12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to those who believe in His name,
13 who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us

Read what it says as it quite clearly says you can't be saved by the will of the flesh.

So if you take that into the stupid Oxford stupid dictionary opinion,

You should clearly noticed that having a choice is not stupid free will to choose to be saved.
 
Jordon said:
Human will, is absolutely nothing it doesn't do anything other than give a person crazy ideas and fairy tail imaginations,

21st Century King James Version



12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to those who believe in His name,
13 who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us

Read what it says as it quite clearly says you can't be saved by the will of the flesh.

So if you take that into the stupid Oxford stupid dictionary opinion,

You should clearly noticed that having a choice is not stupid free will to choose to be saved.
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This is the kind of response that is making this discussion board an unpleasant place to hang out. In response to a very clear request for clarification, you throw snark, disrespect, harsh words ("stupid"), yelling (large bold font) and nothing resembling an answer to the question.

Is this how you want to be treated? Is this how we should treat people who cannot read our minds but are still trying to understand us?
 
Jordon said:
Human will, is absolutely nothing it doesn't do anything other than give a person crazy ideas and fairy tail imaginations,

21st Century King James Version



12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to those who believe in His name,
13 who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us

Read what it says as it quite clearly says you can't be saved by the will of the flesh.

So if you take that into the stupid Oxford stupid dictionary opinion,

You should clearly noticed that having a choice is not stupid free will to choose to be saved.
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So your answer is there’s no such thing as human will ? Ok

what is Gods Will ? What does the word will mean to you ? You’ve really been difficult to get the simple answer from what is “ a Will “ ? Gods Will ? What’s that actually mean the Will term ?

sort of feels circular but just trying to understand so far I understand you think “ human Will is nothing “

and lol if anyone thinks God gives man a choice thier stupid

“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:19‬ ‭

but five times now you have avoided the simple question “ what does the term “ will “ mean to you ?
 
Dino246 said:
This is the kind of response that is making this discussion board an unpleasant place to hang out. In response to a very clear request for clarification, you throw snark, disrespect, harsh words ("stupid"), yelling (large bold font) and nothing resembling an answer to the question.

Is this how you want to be treated? Is this how we should treat people who cannot read our minds but are still trying to understand us?
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Let me guess your being respectful.
 
Human will lives in the flesh

For if you live according to the flesh, you will die;
 
DavidLamb said:
Sorry, do you mean, "God does not value the human will" or "The human will does not value God," or something else?
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If you live according to the flesh you die, cited in scripture and it doesn't get any cleared than that.

Human will lives in the flesh cited in scripture and it doesn't get any clearer than that.

We are saved not by choice not by will but in hope. Cited in scripture and it doesn't get any clearer than that.

You have to search the heart and wait in hope, and remain in hope his hope, which is his asurance to, the lords hope, who won our freedom not by choice but by God's will.
 
Jordon said:
If you live according to the flesh you die, cited in scripture and it doesn't get any cleared than that.

Human will lives in the flesh cited in scripture and it doesn't get any clearer than that.

We are saved not by choice not by will but in hope. Cited in scripture and it doesn't get any clearer than that.

You have to search the heart and wait in hope, and remain in hope his hope, which is his asurance to, the lords hope, who won our freedom not by choice but by God's will.
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You say three times, “It doesn’t get any clearer than that,” but you have not answered the question.
 
Jordon said:
If you live according to the flesh you die, cited in scripture and it doesn't get any cleared than that.

Human will lives in the flesh cited in scripture and it doesn't get any clearer than that.

We are saved not by choice not by will but in hope. Cited in scripture and it doesn't get any clearer than that.

You have to search the heart and wait in hope, and remain in hope his hope, which is his asurance to, the lords hope, who won our freedom not by choice but by God's will.
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Thanks, so it seems that by "God holds no value for human will," you meant that the human will does not value God. Thanks again for clarifying.
 
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