What Controls Our Human Free Will?

[Jordon]

While God is sovereign, humans remain genuinely responsible for their choices.

a naturally wicked heart can not be responsible by it's own merit, it's need Gods will before it can be held responsible as cited in the bible

Just like an infant is hardly held responsible until they've been taught.

Which ever way you go with this argument sir, I can assure you Gods words has an answer for you

 

[Solitude]

a naturally wicked heart can not be responsible by it's own merit, it's need Gods will before it can be held responsible as cited in the bible

Just like an infant is hardly held responsible until they've been taught.

Which ever way you go with this argument sir, I can assure you Gods words has an answer for you

Psalms 61:13
And mercy to thee, O Lord; for thou wilt render to every man according to his works.

 

[Jordon]

Psalms 61:13
And mercy to thee, O Lord; for thou wilt render to every man according to his works.

again this speaks about someone who has Gods will attached to them, and in them, a saved person, as without the inner fruits no works of God will take place which is cited in scripture in many many places.

And on the flip side a naturally wicked heart can not be judged by there deeds unless Gods active word and measure are put in place, that would be the prick to the conscience, there inner being, that all naturally wicked heart get given by God, which they have no choice of been given, as cited in scripture. In many many places.
as without the prick to the conscience, no deeds can be judged and no message can be spoken inside the conscience.

And again both sides, saved and unsaved having Gods active will in them to control and guide there own will, which if not guided the enemy wins another soul.

 

[Solitude]

Proverbs 24:12
If thou say: I have not strength enough: he that seeth into the heart, he understandeth, and nothing deceiveth the keeper of thy soul, and he shall render to a man according to his works.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What Controls Our Human Free Will?

what exactly is “ free Will “? Can you explain what it means to you ?

My opinion is that we are born innocent and then as we choose good and evil this corrupts our Will and creates strongholds and bad habits and addictions which corrupt our Will or as we learn to choose the good this also developes habits and strongholds within our hearts and minds . In other words what we choose to do with our lives whether good or evil is going to determine the control or rather “ influences “ our Will .

Our choices and actions form and shape our Will and give control to either God by acknowledging our own sin and corruption flawed judgement and conforming to his good and perfect will expressed to mankind in the gospel .

Or we can decide for ourselves serving sin and pleasures which is satans corrupt will for us and this will become a corruption we’ll deal with through life and need to repent of when the time comes .

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,

or of obedience unto righteousness?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we serve sin we’ll learn and know and desire it with our flesh and this corrupts our Will causing sin to have influence in that area . If we repent and serve God in that area well learn and know better ways and joy with our spirit.

“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption;

but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

As we serve sin on and on it destroys us from within where our mind and heart and “ will “ exist but faith can redeem repentant sinners from within where faith exists in our mind and heart …. If we let him the lord can change our Will and actions will follow

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


As we learn his “ Will “ we can begin to follow as we let go of our corrupt one

 

[Jordon]

what exactly is “ free Will “? Can you explain what it means to you ?

My opinion is that we are born innocent and then as we choose good and evil this corrupts our Will and creates strongholds and bad habits and addictions which corrupt our Will or as we learn to choose the good this also developes habits and strongholds within our hearts and minds . In other words what we choose to do with our lives whether good or evil is going to determine the control or rather “ influences “ our Will .

Our choices and actions form and shape our Will and give control to either God by acknowledging our own sin and corruption flawed judgement and conforming to his good and perfect will expressed to mankind in the gospel .

Or we can decide for ourselves serving sin and pleasures which is satans corrupt will for us and this will become a corruption we’ll deal with through life and need to repent of when the time comes .

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,

or of obedience unto righteousness?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we serve sin we’ll learn and know and desire it with our flesh and this corrupts our Will causing sin to have influence in that area . If we repent and serve God in that area well learn and know better ways and joy with our spirit.

“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption;

but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

As we serve sin on and on it destroys us from within where our mind and heart and “ will “ exist but faith can redeem repentant sinners from within where faith exists in our mind and heart …. If we let him the lord can change our Will and actions will follow

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


As we learn his “ Will “ we can begin to follow as we let go of our corrupt one

Nope sadly, only Adam and eve where born born with complete innocence, which Got lost after sin entered there nature. What you propose is where all born with complete innocence, which re-writes every word in the bible.

Sadly your so far of the mark it's untrue, as you would rather defend this idea that it's unfair to say babies are not born with complete innocence, rather than defend idea that God wants to restore there innocence, which is what the Bible is all about.

Which is what the bible is all about, babies have innocence but only in sense they are not aware of there innocence being lost untill they hear the truth.

Even then they can't grasp it from an early age, and it carries long into there adulthood, like you, who then Go and tell there children the same thing, like the bible can't true, when it is.

All tho you feel your speaking the truth your actually telling them a lie.


BUT WAIT, you had innocence when you born alright but only because you never had any accountability, but as you start growing up there would of been many times the feeling of shame would of started to kick in for what ever reason you may have become embarrassed for.

Having complete innocence equals no shame, it's where Adam and eve walked in the Garden completely unaware they where naked, and before you say, they where just babies to, no they where not, Adam was given responsibility in the Garden before sinning which was a command that A baby could NOT follow.

So I have to tell you instead of getting all uptight about babies not having complete innocence, you should be focusing on what the lord has to do to restore there innocence and what he has to do, without there permission,

It starts with God appointing a guardian angel to babies, then as they grow up with lord in the wilderness, God speaks to them, and delivers his will to there conscience, which is called his enabling Grace, and one main attribute of that enabling grace is the prick to there conscience which gives them the will to choose the right thing.

You don't have to take my word for it either,.it's all recorded in scripture what I cite hear in hundreds of places

 

[Solitude]

Nope sadly, only Adam and eve where born born with complete innocence, which Got lost after sin entered there nature. What you propose is where all born with complete innocence, which re-writes every word in the bible.

Sadly your so far of the mark it's untrue, as you would rather defend this idea that it's unfair to say babies are not born with complete innocence, rather than defend idea that God wants to restore there innocence, which is what the Bible is all about.

Which is what the bible is all about, babies have innocence but only in sense they are not aware of there innocence being lost untill they hear the truth.

Even then they can't grasp it from an early age, and it carries long into there adulthood, like you, who then Go and tell there children the same thing, like the bible can't true, when it is.

All tho you feel your speaking the truth your actually telling them a lie.


BUT WAIT, you had innocence when you born alright but only because you never had any accountability, but as you start growing up there would of been many times the feeling of shame would of started to kick in for what ever reason you may have become embarrassed for.

Having complete innocence equals no shame, it's where Adam and eve walked in the Garden completely unaware they where naked, and before you say, they where just babies to, no they where not, Adam was given responsibility in the Garden before sinning which was a command that A baby could NOT follow.

So I have to tell you instead of getting all uptight about babies not having complete innocence, you should be focusing on what the lord has to do to restore there innocence and what he has to do, without there permission,

It starts with God appointing a guardian angel to babies, then as they grow up with lord in the wilderness, God speaks to them, and delivers his will to there conscience, which is called his enabling Grace, and one main attribute of that enabling grace is the prick to there conscience which gives them the will to choose the right thing.

You don't have to take my word for it either,.it's all recorded in scripture what I cite hear in hundreds of places

Original sin is the Christian doctrine that all humans are born with a sinful nature, a consequence of the first sin committed by Adam and Eve. This inherited state makes people inherently prone to sin, separated from God, and in need of salvation through Jesus Christ. It is often understood as an inherited sinful nature rather than individual guilt for Adam's specific act.

 

[Solitude]

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels: and then will he render to every man according to his works.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Nope sadly, only Adam and eve where born born with complete innocence, which Got lost after sin entered there nature. What you propose is where all born with complete innocence, which re-writes every word in the bible.

Sadly your so far of the mark it's untrue, as you would rather defend this idea that it's unfair to say babies are not born with complete innocence, rather than defend idea that God wants to restore there innocence, which is what the Bible is all about.

Which is what the bible is all about, babies have innocence but only in sense they are not aware of there innocence being lost untill they hear the truth.

Even then they can't grasp it from an early age, and it carries long into there adulthood, like you, who then Go and tell there children the same thing, like the bible can't true, when it is.

All tho you feel your speaking the truth your actually telling them a lie.


BUT WAIT, you had innocence when you born alright but only because you never had any accountability, but as you start growing up there would of been many times the feeling of shame would of started to kick in for what ever reason you may have become embarrassed for.

Having complete innocence equals no shame, it's where Adam and eve walked in the Garden completely unaware they where naked, and before you say, they where just babies to, no they where not, Adam was given responsibility in the Garden before sinning which was a command that A baby could NOT follow.

So I have to tell you instead of getting all uptight about babies not having complete innocence, you should be focusing on what the lord has to do to restore there innocence and what he has to do, without there permission,

It starts with God appointing a guardian angel to babies, then as they grow up with lord in the wilderness, God speaks to them, and delivers his will to there conscience, which is called his enabling Grace, and one main attribute of that enabling grace is the prick to there conscience which gives them the will to choose the right thing.

You don't have to take my word for it either,.it's all recorded in scripture what I cite hear in hundreds of places

yeah everyone here has thier opinions your free to firm and exhibit yours bout it , but i disagree with this part …..

“it's all recorded in scripture what I cite hear in hundreds of places ”

But what exactly is your definition of a persons “ will “ ?

shouldnt we define it before we explain it’s free or not free ? What’s a persons “ will “ ?

 

[Jordon]

yeah everyone here has thier opinions your free to firm and exhibit yours bout it , but i disagree with this part …..

“it's all recorded in scripture what I cite hear in hundreds of places ”

But what exactly is your definition of a persons “ will “ ?

shouldnt we define it before we explain it’s free or not free ? What’s a persons “ will “ ?

well first you must address what you feel is just an opinion.

When quite clearly the bible is cited with hundreds of scriptures that proves without any doubt that what I wrote is fully backed up by God.
Which will would you like to discuss, The will inside a saved person or an unsaved person ?

 

[Jordon]

Original sin is the Christian doctrine that all humans are born with a sinful nature, a consequence of the first sin committed by Adam and Eve. This inherited state makes people inherently prone to sin, separated from God, and in need of salvation through Jesus Christ. It is often understood as an inherited sinful nature rather than individual guilt for Adam's specific act.

Your reading to much into it, what fell in the Garden was mans nature, it's nature that is passed on from parent to sibling.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Original sin is the Christian doctrine that all humans are born with a sinful nature, a consequence of the first sin committed by Adam and Eve. This inherited state makes people inherently prone to sin, separated from God, and in need of salvation through Jesus Christ. It is often understood as an inherited sinful nature rather than individual guilt for Adam's specific act.

Look at what actually happened when Adam ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evil which was forbidden

“And the Lord God said, “The man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil.

He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:22‬ ‭NIV‬‬

now look what the first man ever born after that is told

“Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast?

If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?

But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:6-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Cain wasn’t born as a sinner . Hes told of you do good you’ll be accepted but if you do evil sin will rule and have you …. You must overcome it by doing what’s good and not evil

He’s not incapable but he’s now conflicted between good and evil and being informed by God about sin, warned about sin and told that he’s now in a situation where sin is trying to get him and that he must overcome sin by doing good and not evil .

same situation israel was told later good and evil life and death was now part of man’s equation because of adams sin

“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; …..I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:15, 19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Just like cain the first man born to adam good and evil is placed before them by Gods word offering life or death blessing and cursing. A choice they can either accept or reject.

The second man ever born to adam was called a righteous martyr who’s works were righteous . Some men are called perfect and righteous and are said to have walked with God in tbier lives others are called righteous enough to save thier own souls by his word . One man who walked with God lived 365 years and never died but was translated by faith after God declared the witness that he pleased God in life. They were born in the same situation cain was and we still are today in Christ we can follow the good by the spirit and live or the evil by our flesh and die it’s still our choice even after we served sin beforehand willfully and freely.

What Adam caused was mankknd to be placed between good and evil knowing both within and having to now overcome evil where they never had to beforehand they just needed to have faith and listen to God. Now evil eas constantly going to be able to tempt them that’s our issue we’re tempted and we ourselves sin and bring ourselves condemnation

“but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We aren’t born wrong we choose and become wrong like Adam did he became corrupt he wasn’t created that way his actions caused them to know good and evil and be cast out . Like cains actions caused him to be rejected and exiled. Like Israel’s actions broke thier covenant and brought the curses he warned them about in it.

humans are born in a world where we grow up learning both good and evil this causes the inclinations and habits we form and contend with throughout the rest of our lives until Christ sets us free but we aren’t born servants of sin we choose to serve sin and become sinners condemned to die for our sins ….. then the gospel makes sense when Jesus comes to die for our sins

 

[Jordon]

Look at what actually happened when Adam ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evil which was forbidden

“And the Lord God said, “The man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil.

He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:22‬ ‭NIV‬‬

now look what the first man ever born after that is told

“Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast?

If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?

But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:6-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Cain wasn’t born as a sinner . Hes told of you do good you’ll be accepted but if you do evil sin will rule and have you …. You must overcome it by doing what’s good and not evil

He’s not incapable but he’s now conflicted between good and evil and being informed by God about sin, warned about sin and told that he’s now in a situation where sin is trying to get him and that he must overcome sin by doing good and not evil .

same situation israel was told later good and evil life and death was now part of man’s equation because of adams sin

“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; …..I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:15, 19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Just like cain the first man born to adam good and evil is placed before them by Gods word offering life or death blessing and cursing. A choice they can either accept or reject.

The second man ever born to adam was called a righteous martyr who’s works were righteous . Some men are called perfect and righteous and are said to have walked with God in tbier lives others are called righteous enough to save thier own souls by his word . One man who walked with God lived 365 years and never died but was translated by faith after God declared the witness that he pleased God in life. They were born in the same situation cain was and we still are today in Christ we can follow the good by the spirit and live or the evil by our flesh and die it’s still our choice even after we served sin beforehand willfully and freely.

What Adam caused was mankknd to be placed between good and evil knowing both within and having to now overcome evil where they never had to beforehand they just needed to have faith and listen to God. Now evil eas constantly going to be able to tempt them that’s our issue we’re tempted and we ourselves sin and bring ourselves condemnation

“but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We aren’t born wrong we choose and become wrong like Adam did he became corrupt he wasn’t created that way his actions caused them to know good and evil and be cast out . Like cains actions caused him to be rejected and exiled. Like Israel’s actions broke thier covenant and brought the curses he warned them about in it.

humans are born in a world where we grow up learning both good and evil this causes the inclinations and habits we form and contend with throughout the rest of our lives until Christ sets us free but we aren’t born servants of sin we choose to serve sin and become sinners condemned to die for our sins ….. then the gospel makes sense when Jesus comes to die for our sins

Look at what actually happened when Adam ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evil which was forbidden

“And the Lord God said, “The man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil.

He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:22‬ ‭NIV‬‬

now look what the first man ever born after that is told

“Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast?

If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?

But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:6-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Cain wasn’t born as a sinner . Hes told of you do good you’ll be accepted but if you do evil sin will rule and have you …. You must overcome it by doing what’s good and not evil

He’s not incapable but he’s now conflicted between good and evil and being informed by God about sin, warned about sin and told that he’s now in a situation where sin is trying to get him and that he must overcome sin by doing good and not evil .

same situation israel was told later good and evil life and death was now part of man’s equation because of adams sin

“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; …..I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:15, 19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Just like cain the first man born to adam good and evil is placed before them by Gods word offering life or death blessing and cursing. A choice they can either accept or reject.

The second man ever born to adam was called a righteous martyr who’s works were righteous . Some men are called perfect and righteous and are said to have walked with God in tbier lives others are called righteous enough to save thier own souls by his word . One man who walked with God lived 365 years and never died but was translated by faith after God declared the witness that he pleased God in life. They were born in the same situation cain was and we still are today in Christ we can follow the good by the spirit and live or the evil by our flesh and die it’s still our choice even after we served sin beforehand willfully and freely.

What Adam caused was mankknd to be placed between good and evil knowing both within and having to now overcome evil where they never had to beforehand they just needed to have faith and listen to God. Now evil eas constantly going to be able to tempt them that’s our issue we’re tempted and we ourselves sin and bring ourselves condemnation

“but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We aren’t born wrong we choose and become wrong like Adam did he became corrupt he wasn’t created that way his actions caused them to know good and evil and be cast out . Like cains actions caused him to be rejected and exiled. Like Israel’s actions broke thier covenant and brought the curses he warned them about in it.

humans are born in a world where we grow up learning both good and evil this causes the inclinations and habits we form and contend with throughout the rest of our lives until Christ sets us free but we aren’t born servants of sin we choose to serve sin and become sinners condemned to die for our sins ….. then the gospel makes sense when Jesus comes to die for our sins

We have been through this to many times, The only thing that is cited in scripture for Adam and eves nature fallen was the sin of disobedience causing there fall.

And all the rest you cite is The lords message and faith being spoke from a persons heart on how he should deal with his nature.

A persons nature can't follow the spirit without God's active will to guide them, which is delivered in so many ways.

So again I ask which will do you want to talk about

Will in an unsaved person or a saved person.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

well first you must address what you feel is just an opinion.

When quite clearly the bible is cited with hundreds of scriptures that proves without any doubt that what I wrote is fully backed up by God.
Which will would you like to discuss, The will inside a saved person or an unsaved person ?

I’d say it’s pretty important to be in the same page regarding what “ will “ means lol

… but okay Let’s look at what the Bible actually says then ?

Was cain born a slave to sin without his own Will ? Or is he informed of a new situation involving an enemy trying to overcome him ?

“Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast?

If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?

But if you do not do what is right,

sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:6-7‬ ‭

cains the first born man after they ate the fruit which actually caused this

“And the Lord God said, “The man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:22‬ ‭NIV‬‬

that’s what changed everything for man now they were in cains boat caught between good and evil. When you guys are reading Paul’s letters you need to read king sections so you know what he’s saying for instance “ are we born slaves to sin ? “ or do we choose to serve sin and become its servants “?

“Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—

whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death,

or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭NIV‬‬

was cain already a slave to sin with no choice or will ? Or did God clearly give him a choice and then he chose to follow his corrupt knowledge of evil and kill his brother ?

did cain choose to kill abel or was it just that he was a pawn with no choice ?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

We have been through this to many times, The only thing that is cited in scripture for Adam and eves nature fallen was the sin of disobedience causing there fall.

And all the rest you cite is The lords message and faith being spoke from a persons heart on how he should deal with his nature.

A persons nature can't follow the spirit without God's active will to guide them, which is delivered in so many ways.

So again I ask which will do you want to talk about

Will in an unsaved person or a saved person.

I can see you won’t actually adress anything so have at it

 

[Jordon]

I’d say it’s pretty important to be in the same page regarding what “ will “ means lol

… but okay Let’s look at what the Bible actually says then ?

Was cain born a slave to sin without his own Will ? Or is he informed of a new situation involving an enemy trying to overcome him ?

“Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast?

If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?

But if you do not do what is right,

sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:6-7‬ ‭

cains the first born man after they ate the fruit which actually caused this

“And the Lord God said, “The man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:22‬ ‭NIV‬‬

that’s what changed everything for man now they were in cains boat caught between good and evil. When you guys are reading Paul’s letters you need to read king sections so you know what he’s saying for instance “ are we born slaves to sin ? “ or do we choose to serve sin and become its servants “?

“Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—

whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death,

or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭NIV‬‬

was cain already a slave to sin with no choice or will ? Or did God clearly give him a choice and then he chose to follow his corrupt knowledge of evil and kill his brother ?

did cain choose to kill abel or was it just that he was a pawn with no choice ?

Do you understand the lords faith is being expressed from every single person's heart in these scriptures ?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Do you understand the lords faith is being expressed from every single person's heart in these scriptures ?

I understand you are avoiding everything I’ve said and just continually shifting the subject and I am not interested in wasting my time I’m too old for it

 

[Jordon]

I understand you are avoiding everything I’ve said and just continually shifting the subject and I am not interested in wasting my time I’m too old for it

so far I've asked you 6 questions to which I've had no answer for.

It's impossible to get on the same page as you, if your not going to answer.

And a person is never to old to discuss God's word, maybe thats your lack of enthusiasm.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

so far I've asked you 6 questions to which I've had no answer for.

It's impossible to get on the same page as you, if your not going to answer.

And a person is never to old to discuss God's word, maybe thats your lack of enthusiasm.

Yeah to begin with I wasn’t even talking to you ehich you made a bunch of statements then began demanding I answer questions about “ hundreds of scriptures “ which say all that stuff but you haven’t provided a single one . Yet I’ve provided several and you haven’t acknowledged anything I said . Lol which supports what you’re originally saying is wrong

seems like it wouod just waste my time and you’rs I agree it would be very hard to get in the same page if we won’t even define what the term will means to us. But just claim hundreds of scriptures say it isn’t free .

It would be pretty hard to discuss “ free Will “ if the we don’t even know what the other person means by the term “ will “ I don’t think those pages are even in the same book honestly

Im alright with letting it go whatever opinion you have you’re allowed to have it .

 

[GWH]

The will is still free to choose between good and evil.

That is why we call it moral free will (MFW).