What “Jesus” truly means
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Thats it? This is “truth”?
Knowing this subject specific thing is suppose to inhibit love, righteousness, kindness,
Listen listen all!!
Jesus is GoD, i am saved. I now know ONE THING my salvation is assured!
Heb 6:1
1Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,
Knowing this subject specific thing is suppose to inhibit love, righteousness, kindness,
Listen listen all!!
Jesus is GoD, i am saved. I now know ONE THING my salvation is assured!
Heb 6:1
1Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,
Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." Matt 28:18
When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. But He placed His right hand on me and said,
“Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am
alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of Death and of Hades." Revelation 1:17-18
When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. But He placed His right hand on me and said,
“Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am
alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of Death and of Hades." Revelation 1:17-18
“ all authority on heaven and earth “has been given” to me”
Does god himself in full understanding of he himself being himself address authority given to himself by himself?
Would the highest authority refer to ANYTHING being “given”?
GOD IS THE GIVER AND NEVER THE RECEIVER thus he would never address to himself in receipt of anything….. especially power
Does god himself in full understanding of he himself being himself address authority given to himself by himself?
Would the highest authority refer to ANYTHING being “given”?
GOD IS THE GIVER AND NEVER THE RECEIVER thus he would never address to himself in receipt of anything….. especially power
“All authority on heaven and earth has been given to me”
Words said by JESUS CHRIST.
Words that express that “he” jesus is in (receipt) of “something” in this case being “authority of heaven & earth”
Who provided this great “authority” who is the “grantor” who granted to the “grantee”
GOD granted himself authority over his very own creation and power?
You really rationalize that god would refer about himself being in receipt of “power” while he masqueraded himself as a different entity
Words said by JESUS CHRIST.
Words that express that “he” jesus is in (receipt) of “something” in this case being “authority of heaven & earth”
Who provided this great “authority” who is the “grantor” who granted to the “grantee”
GOD granted himself authority over his very own creation and power?
You really rationalize that god would refer about himself being in receipt of “power” while he masqueraded himself as a different entity
John 5:17,18- “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him,
because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me,
Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”
John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
I am YHWH, that is My name; I will not give My glory to
another, Nor My praise to graven images. (Isaiah 42:8)
Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory
which I had with You before the world was. (John 17:5)
If Christ is not God, His prayer is blasphemy!
Therefore the Jews took up stones again, that they might stone Him. (John 10:31)
YHWH says:
I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.
(Isaiah 44:6)
Jesus Christ says:
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last,
the beginning and the end. (Revelation 22:13)
Did Christ, like angels & men, ever say, "I am not God, do not worship me" ?
Jesus answered,
"It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'" (Luke 4:8)
He certainly knew the scripture.
And he said, “Lord, I believe.” And he worshiped Him. And Jesus said,
“For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see
may see, and that those who see may become blind.” (John 9:38-39)
And yet He never rebuked those who worshiped Him.
Please check out this thread (<= link)
With thanks to @posthuman
because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me,
Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”
John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
I am YHWH, that is My name; I will not give My glory to
another, Nor My praise to graven images. (Isaiah 42:8)
Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory
which I had with You before the world was. (John 17:5)
If Christ is not God, His prayer is blasphemy!
Therefore the Jews took up stones again, that they might stone Him. (John 10:31)
YHWH says:
I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.
(Isaiah 44:6)
Jesus Christ says:
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last,
the beginning and the end. (Revelation 22:13)
Did Christ, like angels & men, ever say, "I am not God, do not worship me" ?
Jesus answered,
"It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'" (Luke 4:8)
He certainly knew the scripture.
And he said, “Lord, I believe.” And he worshiped Him. And Jesus said,
“For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see
may see, and that those who see may become blind.” (John 9:38-39)
And yet He never rebuked those who worshiped Him.
Please check out this thread (<= link)
With thanks to @posthuman
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John 5:17,18- “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him,
because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me,
Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”
John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
I am YHWH, that is My name; I will not give My glory to
another, Nor My praise to graven images. (Isaiah 42:8)
Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory
which I had with You before the world was. (John 17:5)
If Christ is not God, His prayer is blasphemy!
Therefore the Jews took up stones again, that they might stone Him. (John 10:31)
YHWH says:
I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.
(Isaiah 44:6)
Jesus Christ says:
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last,
the beginning and the end. (Revelation 22:13)
Did Christ, like angels & men, ever say, "I am not God, do not worship me" ?
Jesus answered,
"It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'" (Luke 4:8)
He certainly knew the scripture.
And he said, “Lord, I believe.” And he worshiped Him. And Jesus said,
“For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see
may see, and that those who see may become blind.” (John 9:38-39)
And yet He never rebuked those who worshiped Him.
Please check out this thread (<= link)
With thanks to @posthuman
because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me,
Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”
John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
I am YHWH, that is My name; I will not give My glory to
another, Nor My praise to graven images. (Isaiah 42:8)
Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory
which I had with You before the world was. (John 17:5)
If Christ is not God, His prayer is blasphemy!
Therefore the Jews took up stones again, that they might stone Him. (John 10:31)
YHWH says:
I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.
(Isaiah 44:6)
Jesus Christ says:
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last,
the beginning and the end. (Revelation 22:13)
Did Christ, like angels & men, ever say, "I am not God, do not worship me" ?
Jesus answered,
"It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'" (Luke 4:8)
He certainly knew the scripture.
And he said, “Lord, I believe.” And he worshiped Him. And Jesus said,
“For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see
may see, and that those who see may become blind.” (John 9:38-39)
And yet He never rebuked those who worshiped Him.
Please check out this thread (<= link)
With thanks to @posthuman
They were not worshiping him as THE God but AS THE SAVIOR.
and as the SAVIOR he was given the highest level of authority only second to the primary form of authority in existence— his FATHER.
No one prays to JESUS. Jesus didn’t spend nights praying to himself.
In all aspects of PRAYERS PERFORMED BY JESUS—- he was PRAYING TO A POWER OUTSIDE OF HIM
This is almost as bad as the Jehovah’s Witnesses believing Jesus is Michael and absolutely disregarding salvation through jesus to salvation OLD TESTAMENT STYLE by works
You downgrade god and upgrade jesus, jehovas witnesses maintain god in power and absolutely disregard jesus.
If they worshiped Him at all it would have been a SIN, and Jesus would have said so and put a halt to it. You seem convinced that, according to Jesus, it is okay to worship anyone other than God. You deny the Deity of Jesus Christ. I have already mentioned to you that that is the number one theological offense on this site. Good luck to you.
Denie the DEITY of jesus? Excuse me?
I preach nothing but SALVATION THROUGH THE DEITY OF JESUS….
And that the Deity of Jesus is the significant power in which GOD the father alocates salvation.
Without Belief in Jesus being GODs son, being at a statute higher than angels, at being at a statute of absolute power and command over heaven and earthly realms there is NO FAITH.
You seem to think that because i dont put JESUS at the rank of his FATHER— THE MOST HIGH GOD…. That i am in denial of his significance? His sacrifice? His existence? His very power over my life?
It is you and your idea of what “deity” means and your stubbornness of appointment of that meaning to Jesus all while downgrading the most HIGH GOD THE FATHER… to anything lesser then THE MOST HIGH GOD THE FATHER.
I preach nothing but SALVATION THROUGH THE DEITY OF JESUS….
And that the Deity of Jesus is the significant power in which GOD the father alocates salvation.
Without Belief in Jesus being GODs son, being at a statute higher than angels, at being at a statute of absolute power and command over heaven and earthly realms there is NO FAITH.
You seem to think that because i dont put JESUS at the rank of his FATHER— THE MOST HIGH GOD…. That i am in denial of his significance? His sacrifice? His existence? His very power over my life?
It is you and your idea of what “deity” means and your stubbornness of appointment of that meaning to Jesus all while downgrading the most HIGH GOD THE FATHER… to anything lesser then THE MOST HIGH GOD THE FATHER.
All righty then
Though you are still wrong to say:
All bible verses of Jesus being considered “GOD” are verses of others in reference to him
You claimed this was because they cant define a difference of the two .
So are they one or not? Because plainly you are giving mixed messages here.
Though you are still wrong to say:
All bible verses of Jesus being considered “GOD” are verses of others in reference to him
You claimed this was because they cant define a difference of the two .
So are they one or not? Because plainly you are giving mixed messages here.
the son is one with the father because he copies all the father does and attains one-ness in action — not one-ness in “being”
You cannot “be” the “who” you “mimic”
But you can act as the “who” you mimick so that all your actions are essentially equivalent via the process of copying from the “who” you mimic.
Gods whole purpose in Christ was to get HUMANS to take his word on the fact tat the “son” he sent does all he does and is all he is and that humans could surrender allegiance to him and believe that he comes with the direct messege and instruction of salvation directly without the median-ship of the church through the binding law enforced by Angels.
This part is the opposite of the scripture.
no one comes to the father but through me.(Jesus)
Bye.
Jesus often said he and the father are one. When you saw Jesus you saw the father.
no one comes to the father but through me.(Jesus)
All bible verses of Jesus being considered “GOD” are verses of others in reference to him — because they cant define a difference of the two .
All verses of Jesus himself in reference to his Father state one thing clear…he considers his father greater then HE.
The definition of GOD can only come from the closest to understanding GOD… his son and not from apostle/prophetic interpretation.
Considering Jesus — GOD is round 2 of the Mosaic failure….and the Failure of the church allocated to Aaron.
The order of Melchizedek will soon reign and the church as we know it will fall.
The true church without officiation at the altar in which laws and understanding are written in the hearts of men is here.
Be well and goodbyes.
All verses of Jesus himself in reference to his Father state one thing clear…he considers his father greater then HE.
The definition of GOD can only come from the closest to understanding GOD… his son and not from apostle/prophetic interpretation.
Considering Jesus — GOD is round 2 of the Mosaic failure….and the Failure of the church allocated to Aaron.
The order of Melchizedek will soon reign and the church as we know it will fall.
The true church without officiation at the altar in which laws and understanding are written in the hearts of men is here.
Be well
and goodbyes.
Jesus often said he and the father are one. When you saw Jesus you saw the father.
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Was Adam(who had NEVER been born) Deity, The Express Image of GOD?
"Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high"
Is Adam(who had NEVER been born) The Body Prepared from the beginning?
" Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:"
"Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high"
Is Adam(who had NEVER been born) The Body Prepared from the beginning?
" Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:"
Hanselheath you state "that entity received the “word”
This is not so, as Jesus of Nazareth is The Fulness of The GODHEAD bodily to offer human life to GOD perfect for us so we may be acceptable by HIS blood, and by Hearing the word(Holy Bible)be improved by grace to that divine nature as good men. The word is now with us to conform us to the life of CHRIST
(Christ comes from the Greek word χριστός (chrīstós), meaning "anointed one". The word is derived from the Greek verb χρίω (chrī́ō), meaning "to anoint." In the Greek Septuagint, christos was used to translate the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ, messiah), meaning "[one who is] anointed".)
1 John 2:27 - But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
You also state
"The WORD does not need a body to exist and to have existed…
God did not pack his “entire” god-ship entity as an entirety into Jesus, only the portion necessary - His word.
Also this is not so, as there is NO other way for GOD(The WORD) to create a Pinocchio(in HIS own image) with the possibility to attain unto HIS own Divine Nature unless HE became that MAN.
There is ONE reason GOD became a man, "to fulfill the LAW for us, so we may exist and enjoy HIS world in the RIGHT WAY
This is not so, as Jesus of Nazareth is The Fulness of The GODHEAD bodily to offer human life to GOD perfect for us so we may be acceptable by HIS blood, and by Hearing the word(Holy Bible)be improved by grace to that divine nature as good men. The word is now with us to conform us to the life of CHRIST
(Christ comes from the Greek word χριστός (chrīstós), meaning "anointed one". The word is derived from the Greek verb χρίω (chrī́ō), meaning "to anoint." In the Greek Septuagint, christos was used to translate the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ, messiah), meaning "[one who is] anointed".)
1 John 2:27 - But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
You also state
"The WORD does not need a body to exist and to have existed…
God did not pack his “entire” god-ship entity as an entirety into Jesus, only the portion necessary - His word.
Also this is not so, as there is NO other way for GOD(The WORD) to create a Pinocchio(in HIS own image) with the possibility to attain unto HIS own Divine Nature unless HE became that MAN.
There is ONE reason GOD became a man, "to fulfill the LAW for us, so we may exist and enjoy HIS world in the RIGHT WAY
HanselHeath this is not correct;- GOD(The Word) Himself created the man by His fulness, forming man to tend HIS garden and enjoy it. Sacrificing His body rendering up HIS spirit(who HE as GOD sent) so we by HIM may be conformed to His human likeness through hearing HIS word.
open your eyes and see through the spirit and enjoy today
Jesus of Nazareth is The LORD!
open your eyes and see through the spirit and enjoy today
Jesus of Nazareth is The LORD!
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Hanselheath you know the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesy(Rev 19:9 -10) and that no man may testify Jesus but by the Holy Ghost(1 Corinthians 12:3), to deny the Son is to deny the Father so to say you do not believe Jesus is GOD is the spirit of antichrist, not Bible believing Christianity
Wake up
Isaiah 8:20
“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”
Wake up
Isaiah 8:20
“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”
King James Bible
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.