What “Jesus” truly means

[HanselHeath]

My faith started with an intense need to understand scripture. Suddenly I developed an intense need/want to read the bible and study theology — out of nowhere. I do not come from a christian background nor stepped foot in a church — ever.

Upon turning 30, that year — the manifestation of belief and want for understanding commenced.

At First, it was all about “God”. After about 1 year — which i took the year off work to study the bible every day 8-10 hours none stop… I asked god this

“Holy father, whats the need for “jesus”? I feel guilty i have deep commitment to you but my study leads me to believe that i should be commited to “jesus” — please teach me.

This is what he taught me — THIS IS WHY JESUS IS IMPORTANT.

Jesus christ is the “entity” chosen to share in “Deity” rank.

Jesus christ is the Median/Mediator designed to sponsor/tutor/vouch for the “elect”

The elect, were chosen to be priests in the order of Melchizedek just as Jesus was.

The elect enjoy a guarantee of spiritual success thanks to the “vouching” of the “jesus program”

Thats how I understand it… prior to “jesus” there was No special program with soft mercy and compassion, before Jesus all there was is a direct following of LAW and a bar set astronomically high.

Before jesus, there was no compassionate chance to be a sinner and not get the payment of death.

After jesus there isn’t “death” for any of the elect. There also isn’t any question of post-life penalty as the tutorship of election under the sponsorship of “jesus” is backed up by devine power to 100% ensure all THE ELECT meet the standArd god expects.

I trully understood that Jesus was more of a devine orphanage “manager” who God appointed elect orphans to his care and sponsor/tutorship…

God takes it painfully eAsy on this group,blesses this group so that ALL OTHERS not belonging to this group see what it trully is like to be in under the grace of GOD.

No one in this group did anything for this, its the luck of gods draw of design.

No one in this group will be forsaken or ever be left alone or unblessed.

No one in this group can be stubborn beyond the point of correction… regardless of duration of time to guide the elect to the goal…. To the goal they shall get.

I trully trully understood thAt prior to Jesus’s sacrifice there was NO “special program” — i would have been left to a hopeless battle against evil devine forces that would of submitted me to sinful death….i would of been left to a strict following of Mosaic law that i would of surely failed.

Ive seen the discipline ive experienced it, it steers me into righteousness all while receiving blessings.

Needless to say …. I understand why “Jesus” now.

 

[Dino246]

Welcome to CC...
Respectfully, I find that flags go up when someone claims to have heard directly from God, but what they claim doesn't square with Scripture.

To wit: It's misleading at best to say that Jesus is an "entity" chosen to share in the divine nature. Rather, He is God, and has always been God.

Keep studying, but check what you are coming to believe with the orthodox Christian position. You do yourself no good if you go off into heresy... as so many have.

 

[Diakonos]

Upon turning 30, that year — the manifestation of belief and want for understanding commenced.

What calendar year did your faith begin?

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus christ is the “entity” chosen to share in “Deity” rank.

Nope. Jesus has always been Deity. He wasn't "chosen" to be that.

 

[Justified]

A discussion of the Trinity may be a bit beyond what you need right now. But I will say this, the Trinity though hard to comprehend is essential believe. I have included a JPG of the Trinity. Hope it comes through. If you have any questions just let us know and we will help you find a good footing.

 

[rayzor]

Eloheem is prul because of the eem part 430 yold mem i think [ps 150 is triple jublee] Some have compared the trinity 2 water steam ice same stuff yet different
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אֱלֹהִים

 

[Magenta]

God is the Father of us.

Jesus is God as us (human).

Holy Spirit is God in us.

 

[Icedaisey]

A discussion of the Trinity may be a bit beyond what you need right now. But I will say this, the Trinity though hard to comprehend is essential believe. I have included a JPG of the Trinity. Hope it comes through. If you have any questions just let us know and we will help you find a good footing.
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That diagram contradicts itself.

 

[justhistruth]

GOD created Man in HIS image
GOD breathed into his nostrils The breath of LIFE
Man became a LIVING soul.
Individual from GOD, yet fully GOD in the flesh.
The image is GODs image, The breath is GODs breath(Holy is the LORD), The LIVING soul is GODs son. HE lives but not being born he is what HE is, ALONE (it is not good for the man to be alone)
He became sin that we may be MADE the righteousness of GOD in Him( King James Bible 2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.)
There is more, but start here Adam is The son of GOD not yet born. Adam and eve(man) is the second Adam to be redeemed by the First Adam who is the Express image of GOD.
Jesus of Nazareth is The LORD!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Nope. Jesus has always been Deity. He wasn't "chosen" to be that.

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

God is the Father of us.

Jesus is God as us (human).

Holy Spirit is God in us.

amen


“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 3, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:19‬ ‭

“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭19:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:10-11‬ ‭

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[HanselHeath]

yet again, the uncontrollable necessities to believe that “you” posses the “true” answer to the famous technicality of

“Is jesus god, is god jesus, is the trinity a thing “

Out of all i wrote…. The LAST THING important there is whether GOD is jesus or not but the

SIGNIFICANCE OF THE CONCEPT OF JESUS FOR US AS SINNERS AND THE MAGNITUDE OF THE SALVATION OFFERED.

I can sit here and write down every verse regarding “God the father” and “jesus the son” and do my own version of interpretation — and 30% will agree, 30% will disagree and 30% wont care.

If it was trully necessary for US to understand this concept to its entirety—

Yet this isn’t about understanding the exact RANK of the SON but the

MEANING OF WHY THE SON.

Side note : i do not believe JESUS the son is GOD. To me Jesus is a human equipped with an “aspect” or an “attribute” of God — Gods word/righteousness in its entirety packed into a “chosen” human entity

I say “chosen” because even though the “WORD” always existed — it existed on its own as an attribute of GOD..

The human entity born in “nazareth” cAme much later.. that entity received the “word” in its entirety which lived as an attribute of the father from the beginning.. in which and through the father created all things.

Humans have a tendency to only think in geo positional and chronological fashion…. The WORD does not need a body to exist and to have existed…

God did not pack his “entire” god-ship entity as an entirety into Jesus, only the portion necessary - His word.

 

[HanselHeath]

When one reads books like John — you must read with an open mind

We put hyper importance in the “body” entity and believe that the “entire human entity” exists and has existed simply when in reality it is the “spiritual attribute” of that entity that is “special”

The spiritual attribute attached to the earthly body of jesus is and was always alive before the inception of his body living in GOD the Father, GOD Allocated a commanding portion of it on JESUS — enough to let the devine/human realm know — that in Jesus is HIM… - as in HIS qualities in enough “degree” to be considered “deity” and thus TRUST and Power rests on Jesus due to Jesus being an engine that is basically him — without being him.

 

[HanselHeath]

Welcome to CC...
Respectfully, I find that flags go up when someone claims to have heard directly from God, but what they claim doesn't square with Scripture.

To wit: It's misleading at best to say that Jesus is an "entity" chosen to share in the divine nature. Rather, He is God, and has always been God.

Keep studying, but check what you are coming to believe with the orthodox Christian position. You do yourself no good if you go off into heresy... as so many have.

I didn’t hear directly from “god” that is schizophrenia.

However how do you fancy the “prayer” system works? You ask god a question and research, reading leads you to understanding

You — i suppose engage in this process daily on your search for biblical understanding don’t you? Or do you feel that your own human volition defines your understanding

You read and read, study subjectively, research the thoughts of others who know alot — and then reach your own conclusory verdict.

Never 100% — 100% can only be logically reached by having an actual percepted and true revelation from a devine member in front of your face — one sent from GOD.

I dont think any of us roll like that.

We all depend on our “maximum conclusions” for “understanding”

 

[BonnieClaire]

Side note : i do not believe JESUS the son is GOD. To me Jesus is a human equipped with an “aspect” or an “attribute” of God — Gods word/righteousness in its entirety packed into a “chosen” human entity

God did not pack his “entire” god-ship entity as an entirety into Jesus, only the portion necessary - His word.

Another side note: We bible believing Christians know and understand that Jesus is fully God and fully man...

Colossians 2:9
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. ~KJV

But thanks anyway

 

[HanselHeath]

Another side note: We bible believing Christians know and understand that Jesus is fully God and fully man...

Colossians 2:9
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. ~KJV

But thanks anyway

Whatever works to lead you to good works and good faith….

I am not one who perceives delusions of belief that i can argue my way to forcing a change of beliefs on anyone

So as long as love,peace and righteousness dwells in your heart and strong faith… thats all that matters

Titus 3:9

But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.

 

[HanselHeath]

Another side note: We bible believing Christians know and understand that Jesus is fully God and fully man...

Colossians 2:9
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. ~KJV

But thanks anyway

“we bible believing christians”

Yuck — why the inference that “i may” not be a bible believing Christian?

Is throwing shade all youve learned from the bible? Is singling your self assured idea that you posses maximum truth and i dont?

In one sentence you expressed your

1)doctrinal superiority
2) projection of hate
3) inferred me to be in the likes of apostasy
4) removed my belief in the bible
5) judged me.

We all have apportioned faith as per how GOD sees fit… that we cant control but what we can control is how

1) docile
2) compassionate
3) loving

Our expressed verbiege is to not hurt others

 

[DavidTree]

My faith started with an intense need to understand scripture. Suddenly I developed an intense need/want to read the bible and study theology — out of nowhere. I do not come from a christian background nor stepped foot in a church — ever.

Upon turning 30, that year — the manifestation of belief and want for understanding commenced.

At First, it was all about “God”. After about 1 year — which i took the year off work to study the bible every day 8-10 hours none stop… I asked god this

“Holy father, whats the need for “jesus”? I feel guilty i have deep commitment to you but my study leads me to believe that i should be commited to “jesus” — please teach me.

This is what he taught me — THIS IS WHY JESUS IS IMPORTANT.

Jesus christ is the “entity” chosen to share in “Deity” rank.

Jesus christ is the Median/Mediator designed to sponsor/tutor/vouch for the “elect”

The elect, were chosen to be priests in the order of Melchizedek just as Jesus was.

The elect enjoy a guarantee of spiritual success thanks to the “vouching” of the “jesus program”

Thats how I understand it… prior to “jesus” there was No special program with soft mercy and compassion, before Jesus all there was is a direct following of LAW and a bar set astronomically high.

Before jesus, there was no compassionate chance to be a sinner and not get the payment of death.

After jesus there isn’t “death” for any of the elect. There also isn’t any question of post-life penalty as the tutorship of election under the sponsorship of “jesus” is backed up by devine power to 100% ensure all THE ELECT meet the standArd god expects.

I trully understood that Jesus was more of a devine orphanage “manager” who God appointed elect orphans to his care and sponsor/tutorship…

God takes it painfully eAsy on this group,blesses this group so that ALL OTHERS not belonging to this group see what it trully is like to be in under the grace of GOD.

No one in this group did anything for this, its the luck of gods draw of design.

No one in this group will be forsaken or ever be left alone or unblessed.

No one in this group can be stubborn beyond the point of correction… regardless of duration of time to guide the elect to the goal…. To the goal they shall get.

I trully trully understood thAt prior to Jesus’s sacrifice there was NO “special program” — i would have been left to a hopeless battle against evil devine forces that would of submitted me to sinful death….i would of been left to a strict following of Mosaic law that i would of surely failed.

Ive seen the discipline ive experienced it, it steers me into righteousness all while receiving blessings.

Needless to say …. I understand why “Jesus” now.

Just
Escape
Sin
Unto
Salvation

 

[Justified]

That diagram contradicts itself.

How so

 

[Icedaisey]

How so

Look closely at what it says God is and then is not.