Pretend? I can no more pretend that Adam and Eve were literal than pretend that I am non-literal. They are my ancestors and yours.
We need to take another look at The Garden of Eden
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Right, so cutout the clear problem with cain.
When GOD "formed" Adam, He was forming Adam's Image to be Holy. Adam was taken from dark/chaotic dust and placed in The Garden. It means there could have been other animal humans at the time ...it ruins the evolution argument because there should be ancient human bones that never had the Holy Image (Knowledge/Presence of GOD).
There is no problem with Cain.
God wasn't "forming Adam's image to be holy"; He formed Adam in His own image. Nothing in Scripture mentions "dark/chaotic" with reference to the dust of the earth from which Adam was formed; you're inventing things.
There were no other humans at that time. There were no human bones before Adam's were formed.
You spout verses from the Bible, but you clearly don't believe it yourself. I think it's time you were shown the door.
how would it show that Adam doesn't literally exist if some indeterminate time later, other humans also exist?
how does Cain exist if Adam doesn't exist?
why does the Bible over and over and over talk about Adam like he is a literal man, the first man, and that the Genesis account is literal historical fact?
... i have so many questions ...
1 Corinthians 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
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okay maybe tomorrow morning i will read this whole thread.
i guess i really should.
for now i'm going to go dream of questions
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okay maybe tomorrow morning i will read this whole thread.
i guess i really should.
for now i'm going to go dream of questions
hey @TheLearner post read to here ♥
((well... not completely to here. but it makes sense to post))
Our God is a Consuming Fire
love it !!
I think as Christians some see Gods word this way still even though we believe in Jesus we still are afraid like this to hear his word as Moses law presented it
“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.”
Deuteronomy 5:25 KJV
Some are still thinking that way . I think our struggle is to help
Others see the truth of his word like Jesus presented it
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
The e old seems to be based on man being deceived to become afraid of Hearing his voice and so we hide ourselves far from it
“And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
Genesis 3:10 KJV
but one of the many things Jesus came to do is show us the truth
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
i believe even at our worst we belong to God and as Christians who begin to hear and see the truth. Our challenge that truly is able to deliver from bondage is to somehow help people see that coming near and hearing and learning from Jesus is eternal Life instead of hearing his word is surely going to cm damn is like the law portrays
but we are all at different points and a real Problem is when we don’t allow all
Of it in the grace and also the truth of the New Testament. If we only could fall
In love with Gods word and embrace it I don’t think all the temptations of the devil , or demons bound for hell can keep Us from his love and ability to take the worst of us and make it reflection of his righteousness and Love for others
I think if we realize some Christians are still bound and can not judge but rather share the gospel the word of life hoping the lord will convince them that his word is life and light and our source it will break bonds and set free[/QUOTE]
Who is "they"? Cain went to Nod where his wife conceived. The text does not say she was from there.
How do you guys think satan got into GOD'S Garden? Could it be because the tree of knowledge of good and evil is symbolic for wicked intentions?
did God create darkness and chaos?
if not how did it get that way?
There was darkness before the Light
Isaiah 9:2
1 Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations.
2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.
3 Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.
Matthew 4:16
The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
“the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free”
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
“from the law of sin and death”
“Thou shalt not commit adultery.”
Exodus 20:14
“And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”
Leviticus 20:10 KJV
“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;
if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:24-26
the snare and captivity
“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.”
Deuteronomy 5:25
the truth and freedom
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24
that gives repentance
“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 5:32 KJV
he was once a powerful angel created by God as all things were and rebelled from
Pride wanting to exalt himself above God with his angels
“And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”
Jude 1:6 KJV
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:”
Matthew 25:41 KJV
He was a heavenly being who once had a place in heaven serving God
“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.”
Revelation 12:7-8 KJV
“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him…..”
Revelation 12:9, 13 KJV
Remember at one time
“And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”
Genesis 1:31 KJV
I’m not exactly sure what happened but God created everything including the angels and at some point satan caused a rebellion I think somewhere in Isaiah is more detail at least that’s what I take
“How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.”
Isaiah 14:12-14 KJV
I’m not positive though just my thoughts it seems Satan began a rebellion and corrupted a third of the angels and also
Mankind. It also seems he hates mankind because God is so good to us and so forgiving he seems to be an accuser always trying to get man condemned jealousy of some unknowable kind maybe ?
Be done on earth as it is in heaven in some ways I feel Like cain and abel are an earthly reflection of what happened in heaven
Would you frown at the idea of there being HOLY SPIRIT Law shaping our intentions to be Righteous?
Pro 16:9
A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.
What do you think the first thing GOD Chastens out of you? i'll tell you ...repeated willful sin.
Re-posting this because no one likes to read the whole thread:
Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
If The Law is to our hearts now ...it means The Law is to our intentions! If you are not being Guided by The HOLY SPIRIT then ...The Law isn't in you. You are not feeling The SPIRIT grieve in you.
//you need spiritual ears.
NO.
There is NOTHING WHATSOEVER about "intentions" in Genesis 3. There NOTHING WHATSOEVER implied, suggested, hinted, or in any way proposed. IT'S JUST NOT THERE.
The serpent did not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; Adam and Eve did.
How you can read Genesis and come up with such codswollop is beyond me; I can only conclude that you haven't read it at all.
Please, for the sake of your eternal soul, get some proper training in interpreting the Bible. You don't just pick a word or phrase out of a random verse and conclude that it supports your hypothesis. The context has to be considered, and the context here has NOTHING to do with people existing before Adam.
smh...
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