We need to take another look at The Garden of Eden

[posthuman]

The Man and the Woman are hidden from God. The Word of God cries out for his children searching for them.

um

nothing is hidden from God.

Man makes the First confession, he takes responsibility though he is the least at fault. He tells the truth about what happened and confesses and acknowledges that he has erred and why he erred and acknowledges God was right.

Genesis 3:12

12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

And God is dismayed at what the Woman has done! Yet she humbles herself, one of the only women ever to do so, and she makes the Second Confession and she tells the truth to God about what happened and acknowledges that her thoughts were wrong and come from the Devil.

Genesis 3:13

13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

thank you!
almost no one gets this right.
they confess their sin -- and woman accuses Satan of murder.
Adam does not 'blame Woman' nor 'blame God for giving him his wife'
-- Adam expresses that he did this for the sake of her, because he loves her, as it's written 'a man will leave his father and cling to his wife'

And God tells the woman the commands for how a woman can break the Devil's possession by desiring only one man and obeying her husband. She is also given the curse of woman for her transgression and she will now have to pay the curse in painful childbirth.

Genesis 3:16
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.


And God tells the man the commands for how a man can break the Devil's possession by toiling by the sweat of his brow. The earth is cursed because of him and will not yield her strength. And he furthermore must pay his curse that from the dust he was taken and to the dust he will one day return.

Genesis 3:17-19
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

hmm..

read that again. they are not cursed - Satan is cursed, and the earth is cursed 'for Adam's sake'
and they are not possessed by Satan -- God's judgement is not a prescription for breaking the power of sin;
Christ is the breaking of the power of sin.
not us. not any work of man.

The Man called the woman's name Eve because she is our mother. God give to them clothing of skins to cover them

Genesis 3:20-21
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

hmm..

did Adam change really her name from 'taken from man' to 'living' because she is our mother??
they have just ingested something that is causing their certain death.
they know death is in them.
why does a man full of death call his wife who is full of death "life" ?
through one man sin entered the world - isn't death also in all his children?
so if Adam changes his wife's name because he suddenly realizes he will have children, at this point wouldn't naming her "death" be more appropriate?

i don't think you've got this one correct

And God drives them out of the Garden. God sends the first Angels to the entrance of the Garden. God also sends the first Sword to guard the way of the tree of life.

Genesis 3:22-24
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

you sure it's the first sword?
first sword mentioned in scripture -- but when was Satan cast out of heaven?
before Genesis 3 or after?
angels have swords, don't they?
i mean look -- here's one in Genesis 3

it may be the first sword, after all -- but i wouldn't be too sure it was created just at that moment.

 

[Dino246]

You can't be for real. sin is death. wicked intentions come from a dead tree. You only read a fraction of the posts in this thread.

How would you know what another person reads?

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was alive. It bore fruit.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Oh, he has not admitted he sins. He claims to have made no
claims about himself, but that is just another one of his lies.

But he does claim one cannot sin if they are in fact saved.

And he obviously believes himself saved because he is putting himself forward
as a teacher of Scripture, while displaying a shocking lack of understanding of
the material. The long and the short of it is he believes he does not sin.
Unless it is all an act and he is just a troll

Look at what he says, for instance, calling the tree dead.
When it is pointed out that the tree was not dead?
He refuses to admit it.

yeah I was basing it off the conversations he and I had yesterday I hadn’t read through the rest.

regarding sin he’s most likely read this

“And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:5-8‬ ‭

and not allowed also for the rest to be as true as the other

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we often make one scripture true and reject the others meant to teach us a fuller understanding of what’s being said and bring us up towards the lord into life

it’s good for us to be totally against sin , but then when we find we have sinned which still happens to the best of us we need to understand the other part John was teaching them to be turned against sin , but telling them “ whenever someone has sinned acknolwedge and confess and he is faithful to forgive us and make us clean “

but it could be he just doesn’t grasp it all I know I don’t lol but I think we’re supposed to aim for perfection but understand we’re not perfect d he is extremely merciful to us when we make mistakes

willful sin is different that a believer who doesn’t want to sin but makes mistakes and repent in the heart

 

[Dino246]

Do you think your secret repeated willful sin will not be Judged?:

Who are you asking, and why do you think your repeated willful sin will not be judged?

 

[Obey-JESUS]

How would you know what another person reads?

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was alive. It bore fruit.

oh, get ready for more yelling:


Matthew 11:15
He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

No. That's why he says this:



Anyone who disagrees with him, therefore, has a dead spirit. According to him.

But also according to his standard, since he continues to sin, he has a dead spirit also.

This is sort of off subject but have you noticed this sister ? How thier position and relationship with Gods presence changes here

“And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And then this result

“So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then later when the law of Moses comes they perceive from that same perspective after they sinned so they see the fire and he is hidden from thier sight and terrifies them

“And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭19:16, 18, 20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Thier response seems to be like adams after he sinned and was cast out and the fire seperate then from his presence and the tree of life

“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭5:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But then later when Jesus comes he appears as a savior a man whomis fentle and humble promising them life and remission of sins of they come near and believe ?

it seems like the ot has the veil over it looking from adams sinful nature bekng cast out because of sin . But Jesus seems to be the relationship they had in his presence when he was blessing them and giving them freedom and putting them into his presence and offering the tree of life .

sorry I just find that really cool sorry if I confused you with it haha

 

[DanielLL]

You have lied repeatedly. All while pretending you are sinless, and saying anyone
who sins is not saved. So according to your standard, you are not a child of God.

Your accusation of me lying is not established, nevertheless it is forgiven:

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

I did say the Holy Spirit cannot sin, so anyone who sins doesn't have the Holy Spirit, but it wasn't just me:

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

I never claimed to be "reborn", you did. You have to understand, you are claiming to be "freed from sin", you are claiming to have "overcome the world", you have to act accordingly, as a Light surrounded by darkness, you have to "let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. You can't just reduce yourself to the rest of the sinners and their darkness, because how will they glorify your Father, if the light they see in thee, be darkness?

 

[Obey-JESUS]

If The Law is to our hearts now ...it means The Law is to our intentions! If you are not being Guided by The HOLY SPIRIT then ...The Law isn't in you. You are not feeling The SPIRIT grieve in you.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[posthuman]

oh, get ready for more yelling:

any fool can start a quarrel.
(Proverbs 20:3) ​

 

[posthuman]

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit,
even we ourselves groan within ourselves,
eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.
(Romans 8:23)​

 

[posthuman]

"freed from sin"

by having died.
thus no longer under the jurisdiction of the law.

see Romans 6-8
Paul does a pretty good job of laying out the truth of the gospel.
'inspired' you might say, even.

 

[Magenta]

This is sort of off subject but have you noticed this sister ? How thier position and relationship with Gods presence changes here

“And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And then this result

“So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then later when the law of Moses comes they perceive from that same perspective after they sinned so they see the fire and he is hidden from thier sight and terrifies them

“And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭19:16, 18, 20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Thier response seems to be like adams after he sinned and was cast out and the fire seperate then from his presence and the tree of life

“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭5:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But then later when Jesus comes he appears as a savior a man whomis fentle and humble promising them life and remission of sins of they come near and believe ?

it seems like the ot has the veil over it looking from adams sinful nature bekng cast out because of sin . But Jesus seems to be the relationship they had in his presence when he was blessing them and giving them freedom and putting them into his presence and offering the tree of life .

sorry I just find that really cool sorry if I confused you with it haha

Our God is a Consuming Fire

 

[Obey-JESUS]

​

any fool can start a quarrel. ​

(Proverbs 20:3) ​

i was saying he doesn't have spiritual ears.

 

[posthuman]

This doesn't make any sense if Adam was literal

Adam is literal.
of course it is recorded to teach us deep truths - it is recorded to speak of Christ; the whole Bible is.
but the existence of allegory doesn't mean reject the narrative as being factual. you make God a liar when you do that.

you ain't got a very good foundation for your thread, neighbor.



((good grief do i really have to read all of this thread))

 

[Jocund]

What are you saying? A Biblical Saint was doing physical sins? ...get real. Your Temple is likely not in good shape if you think a Saint would be doing that ...while a Saint.

Biblical Saints write what GOD wants them to write. Dude, you want separation from GOD ...good luck with Him Knowing you at Judgement.


Do you get that a testimonial is a past event? Paul was a Saint at the point of writing it down. Also, they didn't have chapters back then. So this was right by it (after 10 verses) ...and uhh ...you are still walking in the flesh:

Rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Rom 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:6
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Sin isn't a physical thing. How are you defining sin?

 

[Dino246]

i was saying he doesn't have spiritual ears.

I hear truth, not the silly babble you spout.

 

[Obey-JESUS]

Adam is literal.
of course it is recorded to teach us deep truths - it is recorded to speak of Christ; the whole Bible is.
but the existence of allegory doesn't mean reject the narrative as being factual. you make God a liar when you do that.

you ain't got a very good foundation for your thread, neighbor.



((good grief do i really have to read all of this thread))

ok, let's pretend Adam and Eve were literal ...who was cain so worried about killing him when being kicked out of the land of Eden? You know they found wives from Nod.

 

[Obey-JESUS]

Sin isn't a physical thing. How are you defining sin?

ohhh k ...so when you do that sexual act or drugs ...it isn't a physical thing? what? Those two things are the reason there is soo many pretend Christians ..if you can use JESUS to Overcome those ...everything else is cake. ...or wait, are you claiming they are not sins to begin with?

 

[posthuman]

i was saying he doesn't have spiritual ears.

i'm suggesting maybe not being so adversarial with everyone.

here on a major Christian chat site's Bible discussion forum, a site in particular that is not terribly tolerant of open teaching of heresy, you're talking to blood-bought believers who are generally a good deal more Biblically literate than the average church-goer.
there are many people here more knowledgeable and spiritual and doctrinally sound than your average pastor.

i've been here for almost 9 years. you've been here less than 3 days.
please listen:

a lot of people come here ranting and raving about some point of view they believe to make them supremely enlightened and assuming that everyone they are talking to is blind. they often wind up just getting into giant arguments, losing their tempers, and getting banned within a few days. i've seen it happen over and over and over.
i suppose ((in fact i know, because i've seen a number of them later on other sites who tolerate all kinds of open false teaching)) that they probably think their being kicked out of the discussion somehow proves how righteous and correct they are, like they've been martyred. forgetting their own misconduct, lack of love & wisdom, and the correction they were given while they were here.

i'm not particularly interested in you winding up like that.
such an outcome is not particularly useful to anyone

 

[Dino246]

ohhh k ...so when you do that sexual act or drugs ...it isn't a physical thing? what? Those two things are the reason there is soo many pretend Christians ..if you can use JESUS to Overcome those ...everything else is cake. ...or wait, are you claiming they are not sins to begin with?

You keep on about sex and drugs... have you sought counseling for your addictions?