[Unforgivable Sin] Finally! Scriptural Defense That One CAN'T Commit IT (Unpardonable Sin)
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Yeah, ermm…. selahsays Christians don’t gotta act unChristian-like. We’re all just sincerely trying our best to understand.
I favour the scripture that talks about the seed that grew in concrete.
Well actually it refers to the seed that grew in a heart of stone
Mind you it took some time to break through.
But when it did it was amazing how it was still able to grow in concrete.
Science at its finest.
It's when the chemicals of a seed turn the chemicals of concrete into foundation. Breaking it down over time it becomes softened
Where by the concrete becomes the sands of times, in the hands of God who controls all time
i don't know Greek, but 'blasheme' the Spirit in Luke 12:10 is aortist, not present tense...?
i posted what i did to say i don't care if you turn blue, i ain't buying your interpretation.---
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I am horribly confused.... what is your point for pulling dated linguistics research (some of your references are old and are not completely relevant) about aborigines, African (Non Hebrew and non Greek) research, and English references? I thought we were talking about linguistics as it pertains to JESUS' Words?
You shouldn't just throw up citations just to LOOK smart.
Please explain to me or summarize how each reference either supports your stance or disproved my stance. I am willing to be corrected, and will rescind any snarky remark that i have made against you or anyone IF you can show me where I err. The same standards that I demand of you, I can demand of myself. I have nothing to hide. I hate hypocrisy.
How does ANY of your references have direct bearing on JESUS' GREEK AND HEBREW?
I understand you mentioned Aramaic, but that is outdated research. It was popular around its socially aware peak when Passion of the Christ came out. But science, archeology, scholarship, need to keep up with the updates and new data and findings.
New research has pointed that Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek were well spoken and written by many people at that time. And they even liken it to America now: Greek is the ancient world's English, Aramaic is like thr ancient world's Spanish, and Hebrew would be like the ancient world's Mandarin Chinese.
Even a child can understand this analogy.
Simplifying complex research and data for other people to digest ENJOYABLY AND ACCURATELY is what Olympian Champions of Knowledge and Wisdom know how to do.
Rather than discourage and argue, how about we learn from each other? What do ya say? I am willing to be corrected and learn new information.
Anyways, it is on the table. It is up to you to decide if you care enough to seek TRUTH or instead follow after pride.
BLESSING TO YOU, The_Watchers_2017!
Whoa, time flies when you are responding to heated replies.
Much love to all our family here.
--Forest DYFONG
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SEE, this is where the stupid lies at within your understanding and reasoning.
the united kingdom has old proper English but usa English is a SLANG version of that.
Aramaic, is literally short hand Hebrew.
so, when you say: Aramaic is like the ancient world's Spanish, and Hebrew would be like the ancient world's Mandarin Chinese.
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that literally is the dumbest thing ever said. Hebrew and Aramaic would be like Spanish and Portuguese. both espano but one has more information based upon a secondary languages.
you have Hebrew and Aramaic like worlds apart and factually, they're more like Big Brother and little brother.
so as i mentioned in the immediate post before this one, i don't buy what you're selling.
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I've never had one worry about it myself. It appears to be something that you and your buddies focused on. Since the actual reference is to giving credit to the devil for what is attributable to the Holy Spirit and you don't believe that, I would say success! Now you can sleep at night.
whatever
One must consider the context in which Jesus said that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit would be unforgivable (cf. Matthew 12 and Mark 3).
In those cases, the scribes and Pharisees who saw Jesus heal the blind and mute man attributed His miracle to Satan (Beelzebub). The Jewish leaders' attitude was very similar to that of Pharaoh with regard to Moses and Aaron. In the case of Pharaoh, he kept hardening his heart against letting the Israelites go despite being beset by the plagues on Egypt. Some may say that God "gave Pharaoh over" to his own desires from the get-go, but God actually did give Pharaoh several opportunities to repent. In the end, God Himself hardened Pharaoh's heart because he kept refusing to listen to Moses and Aaron.
The scribes & Pharisees' assertion that Satan was behind Jesus' miracles is not that different from the attempts of Pharaoh's magicians to duplicate Moses' miracles. The magicians got that power from Satan. So by duplicating the miracles, the magicians convinced Pharaoh (albeit falsely) that Moses' power was not from God. Just as Pharaoh's magicians wanted to discredit Moses, the scribes and Pharisees wanted to discredit Jesus.
It sounds as if calling the Holy Spirit's power "satanic" is evidence that the person making such an accusation has a very hard heart and thus most likely won't be forgiven.
In those cases, the scribes and Pharisees who saw Jesus heal the blind and mute man attributed His miracle to Satan (Beelzebub). The Jewish leaders' attitude was very similar to that of Pharaoh with regard to Moses and Aaron. In the case of Pharaoh, he kept hardening his heart against letting the Israelites go despite being beset by the plagues on Egypt. Some may say that God "gave Pharaoh over" to his own desires from the get-go, but God actually did give Pharaoh several opportunities to repent. In the end, God Himself hardened Pharaoh's heart because he kept refusing to listen to Moses and Aaron.
The scribes & Pharisees' assertion that Satan was behind Jesus' miracles is not that different from the attempts of Pharaoh's magicians to duplicate Moses' miracles. The magicians got that power from Satan. So by duplicating the miracles, the magicians convinced Pharaoh (albeit falsely) that Moses' power was not from God. Just as Pharaoh's magicians wanted to discredit Moses, the scribes and Pharisees wanted to discredit Jesus.
It sounds as if calling the Holy Spirit's power "satanic" is evidence that the person making such an accusation has a very hard heart and thus most likely won't be forgiven.
Exactly. The context gives us the true interpretation, not what some grammarian comes up with.
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You misunderstand my main point and frame of reference. English, Spanish, and Chinese are the 3 most popular/widespread languages in America. My frame of reference, is that English is Greek being most common, Aramaic is Babylonia-ish Hebrew dialect which is second most common, like Spanish. And Mandarin Chinese is a language of a people group whose ancient roots and culture and ancient religion has long been lost in practice today, and strangers. A minority language that is used in major business deals with high positions of authority: which SUPER accurately reflects not only Hebrew as a language, but the whole birds-eye view of how the Hebrews as a nation RICH with culture felt and wrongfully experienced in their ancient history of fighting and wars, losing their heritage, losing their ancient religion, losing their government and pride to stangers.
I say look at the stars and the beauty of perfect safety from the unforgivable sin, and some of you are staring at a speck of dust, micro-analyzing irrelevant points, JUST TO WIN A PETTY BATTLE AND ARGUMENT that will and may lethally kill and hurt sincerely weaker paranoid Christians.
Have you ever met a baby Christian so scared of the unforgivable sin that he later commits suicide because he doesn't want sin against God even more while alive and be condemned more at time of later death. This boy is someone I knew personally, and all he wanted when he took his young life is to be content with LESS hellfire intensity when he dies, and please God as best as he now could even "after committing the unforgivable sin."
Have you ever seen a mommy and daddy not be able to comfort their Christian child who worries that JESUS their own SAVIOUR, would never forgive him, AND THE CHILD GOES INTO A LIFE OF MENTAL ILLNESS, MAY END IN SUICIDE, MAY END UP GIVING UP AND PERSUING HOMOSEXUALITY.
WAKE UP FOR CRYING OUT LOUD(!!!), and search Christian mental illness forums and mental illness forums and mental illness literature and real world accounts, and this MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN is a VERY LETHAL, COMMON thing that CAUSES mental illness, bi-polar, and deviant behaviors, AND SPIRITUAL DEATH (BECOMING REPROBATE) AND PHYSICAL DEATH (SUICIDE) in baby Christians who don't have a system of loving brothers and sisters to help them against the lie that they have committed the unforgivable sin.
Worst case hypothetical scenario (that is not even scripturally true according to the verbatim words of JESUS): it is " possible " for a NON-SINCERE, spiritually INSANE person to commit the unforgivable sin.
But even in the (FAKE) WORST CASE SCENARIO: SINCERE BABY CHRISTIANS, AND SINCERE UNBELIEVERS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND JESUS, AND SINCERE ADULTS CAN NEVER COMMIT THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN>>>TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO COMMIT THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN! CAN WE AGREE ON THIS?!
Awwwww, come on! My main excitement for the NEW ARTICLE finding is how many lives would be SAVED by this GREAT news! But some of your responses are just KILLJOYS and may end up SLAYING sincere children. I hope you see that.
DIDNT JESUS SAY, "Is it lawful to do good..., or to do evil? to save life, or to kill?"
I meant to share an article someone else wrote, TO FLIPPIN' SAVE LIVES!!!
What is "your" reason for arguing against it?
It better NOT be out of a place of PRIDE: AND BETTER NOT BE just because you have a petty "title" of a pastor, theologian, scholar, or teacher or are a BLIND "teacher's pet" of a hypocritical and unloving pastor, apostle, prophet, shepherd, denomination, church, or even cult.
WHAT GOOD IS ANY OF THAT IF IT IS NOT LOVING AND DONE TO SAVE LIVES?!
SOME OF YOU NEVER HAVE HAD A FAMILY MEMBER SUFFER THE LETHAL MISTUNDERSTANDING OF THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN.
SOME OF YOU DONT HAVE REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE, SPIRTUALLY OR PHYSICALLY.
SOME OF YOU MIGHT NOT CARE (the worst trait to have).
I do not aim this at any one person who replied to me. I am not Moses, nor Satan, so I have no birth-right to accuse (falsely).
I am not directly accusing anyone, just upset that people dont tend towards SAVING weaker lives and weaker children and understanding TRUTH, and i am upset that people don't have the wisdom to cherish a beautiful thing that will save thousands of children.
Why argue against a beautiful thing?
--Forest DYFONG
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You misunderstand my main point and frame of reference. English, Spanish, and Chinese are the 3 most popular/widespread languages in America. My frame of reference, is that English is Greek being most common, Aramaic is Babylonia-ish Hebrew dialect which is second most common, like Spanish. And Mandarin Chinese is a language of a people group whose ancient roots and culture and ancient religion has long been lost in practice today, and strangers. A minority language that is used in major business deals with high positions of authority: which SUPER accurately reflects not only Hebrew as a language, but the whole birds-eye view of how the Hebrews as a nation RICH with culture felt and wrongfully experienced in their ancient history of fighting and wars, losing their heritage, losing their ancient religion, losing their government and pride to stangers.
I say look at the stars and the beauty of perfect safety from the unforgivable sin, and some of you are staring at a speck of dust, micro-analyzing irrelevant points, JUST TO WIN A PETTY BATTLE AND ARGUMENT that will and may lethally kill and hurt sincerely weaker paranoid Christians.
Have you ever met a baby Christian so scared of the unforgivable sin that he later commits suicide because he doesn't want sin against God even more while alive and be condemned more at time of later death. This boy is someone I knew personally, and all he wanted when he took his young life is to be content with LESS hellfire intensity when he dies, and please God as best as he now could even "after committing the unforgivable sin."
Have you ever seen a mommy and daddy not be able to comfort their Christian child who worries that JESUS their own SAVIOUR, would never forgive him, AND THE CHILD GOES INTO A LIFE OF MENTAL ILLNESS, MAY END IN SUICIDE, MAY END UP GIVING UP AND PERSUING HOMOSEXUALITY.
WAKE UP FOR CRYING OUT LOUD(!!!), and search Christian mental illness forums and mental illness forums and mental illness literature and real world accounts, and this MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN is a VERY LETHAL, COMMON thing that CAUSES mental illness, bi-polar, and deviant behaviors, AND SPIRITUAL DEATH (BECOMING REPROBATE) AND PHYSICAL DEATH (SUICIDE) in baby Christians who don't have a system of loving brothers and sisters to help them against the lie that they have committed the unforgivable sin.
Worst case hypothetical scenario (that is not even scripturally true according to the verbatim words of JESUS): it is " possible " for a NON-SINCERE, spiritually INSANE person to commit the unforgivable sin.
But even in the (FAKE) WORST CASE SCENARIO: SINCERE BABY CHRISTIANS, AND SINCERE UNBELIEVERS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND JESUS, AND SINCERE ADULTS CAN NEVER COMMIT THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN>>>TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO COMMIT THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN! CAN WE AGREE ON THIS?!
Awwwww, come on! My main excitement for the NEW ARTICLE finding is how many lives would be SAVED by this GREAT news! But some of your responses are just KILLJOYS and may end up SLAYING sincere children. I hope you see that.
DIDNT JESUS SAY, "Is it lawful to do good..., or to do evil? to save life, or to kill?"
I meant to share an article someone else wrote, TO FLIPPIN' SAVE LIVES!!!
What is "your" reason for arguing against it?
It better NOT be out of a place of PRIDE: AND BETTER NOT BE just because you have a petty "title" of a pastor, theologian, scholar, or teacher or are a BLIND "teacher's pet" of a hypocritical and unloving pastor, apostle, prophet, shepherd, denomination, church, or even cult.
WHAT GOOD IS ANY OF THAT IF IT IS NOT LOVING AND DONE TO SAVE LIVES?!
SOME OF YOU NEVER HAVE HAD A FAMILY MEMBER SUFFER THE LETHAL MISTUNDERSTANDING OF THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN.
SOME OF YOU DONT HAVE REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE, SPIRTUALLY OR PHYSICALLY.
SOME OF YOU MIGHT NOT CARE (the worst trait to have).
I do not aim this at any one person who replied to me. I am not Moses, nor Satan, so I have no birth-right to accuse (falsely).
I am not directly accusing anyone, just upset that people dont tend towards SAVING weaker lives and weaker children and understanding TRUTH, and i am upset that people don't have the wisdom to cherish a beautiful thing that will save thousands of children.
Why argue against a beautiful thing?
--Forest DYFONG
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op: unforgivable {blasphemy} sin can't be committed today?
Correct, and, I am so glad I do not have to be educated by men to
understand Scripture!:
Correct, and, I am so glad I do not have to be educated by men to
understand Scripture!:
2Co_10:12 "For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or
compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but
they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing them-
selves among themselves, are not wise."
Amen.
Your personal experiences are good a example, pointing in the direction of how an unseen world manipulates scripture, to make a person fall into sin.
Have you ever heard the expression.
Satan sites scripture for is own purpose.
Maybe your not well studied in this field, as if you where, you wouldnt be so quick to examine a Christians reasoning being at fault for the loss of your friend.
The scripture you refer to, of only one sin leading to death, which is repeated by Christians, is not to cause harm, but intended to reassure a person, they won't go to hell.
There is no way a Christian can commit the unpardonable sin.
The fact that you even remotely suggest we could make a young Christian think they would go to hell for committing the unpardonable sin is totally falsem
A Christian can't commit it, there saved.
What your repeating is manipulation of Satan, telling a sinner they have commited a sin worthy of death.
Why would satan do that.
Because he wants the sinner to fall deeper in to sin by making The sinner feal God does not love him or her.
So a Christian will say no you can't commit the unpardonable sin, because your saved, and all other sins can be forgiven.
Your argument is with satan not us.
Hope that helps.
Your friend was probably being attacked by Satan,
Or by a person under the influence of Satan.
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My first argument is against Christian leaders and Christian warriors and people who pretend to know the love of God and Scripture, who are too weak and biased (and also don't care) about defending and PROVING to a fellow child he or she did not commit the unforgivable sin WITH VERBATIM SCRIPTURE, ALL OF THE WRITTEN SCRIPTURE THAT CANNOT BE BROKEN.
Notice, all the people who argue against ME and the article have used scripture to condemn and say some people can never be forgiven.
Notice, NONE of the people THAT HAVE ARGUED AGAINST THE OP (OPENING POST) ARTICLE OF THIS THREAD, who "say" they are scriptural, NONE have used SCRIPTURE to SAVE the weaker, paranoid sincere baby Christian, or sincere unbeliever wanting JESUS.
All you who have gave your interpretations to condemn, I challenge you now to come up with scripture that can save a child who is paranoid of committing the unforgivable sin and is suicidal.
If you can use scripture to say someone can NEVER BE FORGIVEN, use SCRIPTURE Now to convince a paranoid sincere unbeliever or baby Christian that they have not committed the unforgivable sin.
If you quoted scripture to kill, now quote it to save life. Why not only save life? Why not always SAVE LIVES?
My JOY is that the article writer uses scripture to interpret scripture TO SAVE CHILDREN'S LIVES.
Many families that are torn apart by the misunderstanding of the unforgivable sin, ALL BLAME PASTORS AND BIBLE TEACHERS AND SHEPHERDS AND FOOLISH CHRISTIANS FOR MISUSING SCRIPTURE AND NOT EXPLAINING AND CLEANING UP THEIR CRAP. It is in the stories of victims on mental illness forums, christian mental illness forums, and many real world accounts. JUST SEARCH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD... AND CARE!
BUT IF YOU NEVER HAD IT HAPPEN TO YOUR FAMILY MEMBER, MAYBE YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.
GOD FORBID IT HAPPEN TO YOUR SPOUSE, NEICE, CHILD, OR GRANDCHILD.
WISE PEOPLE MINIMIZE ALL PAIN AND SUFFERING WHEN POSSIBLE.
IF A PERSON IS A COWARD AND A HYPOCRITE, (1) THEY WILL QUOTE SCRIPTURE HAPHAZARDLY AND INCOMPLETELY WITHOUT CHECKING ALL THE RELEVANT FACTS, (2) then HE REJECTS COMMON SENSE AND TRUE RELEVANT FACTS ABOUT SCRIPTURE AND SCRIPTURE CONTEXT EVEN WHEN SOMEONE PROVES TO HIM THAT HE IS WRONG AND NOT LOVING, (3) THEN HE SAYS "IT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM, IT'S NOT OUR CHURCHES PROBLEM, IT IS NOT OUR TEACHING'S PROBLEM" AND TO COVER HIS BUTT-LOAD OF CRAP, HE PUTS THE BLAME ON SOMEONE ELSE; (4)[WORST CASE:] IF THEY ARE REALLY PERVERSE AND EVIL THEY WILL EVEN HIDE BEHIND PEOPLE AND ANONYMITY AND FAKE AUTHORITY AND CREDENTIALS, AND THEN DESTROY ALL THE EVIDENCE OF THEIR CRAP AND SCREW UPS: SINS AND INIQUITIES THAT THEY (SECRETLY) LOVE (AND SCREW WITH) MORE THAN JESUS.
I AM NOT DIRECTLY POINTING MY FINGER AT ANYONE HERE ON THIS FORUM, AND I DID NOT MENTION ANY NAMES.
THESE STATEMENTS ARE JUST FACTS AND TRUTH.
DON'T DIFFUSE THE ARGUMENT WHEN YOU ARE AT FAULT, "If you are truly at fault..."
Don't "NOT CARE"!
Again that is for everyone to learn from, not a direct accusation or direct blame.
BLESSINGS TO EVERYONE!
--Forest DYFONG
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My first argument is against Christian leaders and Christian warriors and people who pretend to know the love of God and Scripture, who are too weak and biased (and also don't care) about defending and PROVING to a fellow child he or she did not commit the unforgivable sin WITH VERBATIM SCRIPTURE, ALL OF THE WRITTEN SCRIPTURE THAT CANNOT BE BROKEN.
Notice, all the people who argue against ME and the article have used scripture to condemn and say some people can never be forgiven.
Notice, NONE of the people THAT HAVE ARGUED AGAINST THE OP (OPENING POST) ARTICLE OF THIS THREAD, who "say" they are scriptural, NONE have used SCRIPTURE to SAVE the weaker, paranoid sincere baby Christian, or sincere unbeliever wanting JESUS.
All you who have gave your interpretations to condemn, I challenge you now to come up with scripture that can save a child who is paranoid of committing the unforgivable sin and is suicidal.
If you can use scripture to say someone can NEVER BE FORGIVEN, use SCRIPTURE Now to convince a paranoid sincere unbeliever or baby Christian that they have not committed the unforgivable sin.
If you quoted scripture to kill, now quote it to save life. Why not only save life? Why not always SAVE LIVES?
My JOY is that the article writer uses scripture to interpret scripture TO SAVE CHILDREN'S LIVES.
Many families that are torn apart by the misunderstanding of the unforgivable sin, ALL BLAME PASTORS AND BIBLE TEACHERS AND SHEPHERDS AND FOOLISH CHRISTIANS FOR MISUSING SCRIPTURE AND NOT EXPLAINING AND CLEANING UP THEIR CRAP. It is in the stories of victims on mental illness forums, christian mental illness forums, and many real world accounts. JUST SEARCH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD... AND CARE!
BUT IF YOU NEVER HAD IT HAPPEN TO YOUR FAMILY MEMBER, MAYBE YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.
GOD FORBID IT HAPPEN TO YOUR SPOUSE, NEICE, CHILD, OR GRANDCHILD.
WISE PEOPLE MINIMIZE ALL PAIN AND SUFFERING WHEN POSSIBLE.
IF A PERSON IS A COWARD AND A HYPOCRITE, (1) THEY WILL QUOTE SCRIPTURE HAPHAZARDLY AND INCOMPLETELY WITHOUT CHECKING ALL THE RELEVANT FACTS, (2) then HE REJECTS COMMON SENSE AND TRUE RELEVANT FACTS ABOUT SCRIPTURE AND SCRIPTURE CONTEXT EVEN WHEN SOMEONE PROVES TO HIM THAT HE IS WRONG AND NOT LOVING, (3) THEN HE SAYS "IT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM, IT'S NOT OUR CHURCHES PROBLEM, IT IS NOT OUR TEACHING'S PROBLEM" AND TO COVER HIS BUTT-LOAD OF CRAP, HE PUTS THE BLAME ON SOMEONE ELSE; (4)[WORST CASE:] IF THEY ARE REALLY PERVERSE AND EVIL THEY WILL EVEN HIDE BEHIND PEOPLE AND ANONYMITY AND FAKE AUTHORITY AND CREDENTIALS, AND THEN DESTROY ALL THE EVIDENCE OF THEIR CRAP AND SCREW UPS: SINS AND INIQUITIES THAT THEY (SECRETLY) LOVE (AND SCREW WITH) MORE THAN JESUS.
I AM NOT DIRECTLY POINTING MY FINGER AT ANYONE HERE ON THIS FORUM, AND I DID NOT MENTION ANY NAMES.
THESE STATEMENTS ARE JUST FACTS AND TRUTH.
DON'T DIFFUSE THE ARGUMENT WHEN YOU ARE AT FAULT, "If you are truly at fault..."
Don't "NOT CARE"!
Again that is for everyone to learn from, not a direct accusation or direct blame.
BLESSINGS TO EVERYONE!
--Forest DYFONG
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Your argument is with satan which ever way you look at it.
You can condem me for that,
But that's the truth.
Where I stand is.
If a so called Christian leader or warrior is to argue a Christian can be sent to hell.
Then there not Christian
Plain and simple.
So whilst you think your argument is with Christians
It is not.
Your argument is with Satan.
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IN MY SEMI-SCRIPTURAL SEMI-PERSONAL LANGUAGE, I CALL IT, "LYING FAKE CHRISTIANS AND SHEPHERDS FOLLOWING THE DEVIL AND CHEATING ON THIER SPOUSES AND GIRLFRIEND BY HAVING SPIRITUAL SEX WITH THE DEVIL, AND LOVING IT, ALL NIGHT LONG... IN A HOTEL ROOM, AWAY AND HIDDEN FROM THE WIFE AND CHILDREN."
Again, you misunderstand me, I am not "condemning" you. I am making general statements of TRUTH AND FACT, that applies to all humans, even including ME, IF I were to go astray. I hate hypocrisy. Whatever standard I measure against anyone, I measure to myself too, and I STAND BY THIS, FOREVER. IT IS WHAT JESUS COMMANDED US TO DO.
BLESSINGS TO EVERYONE!
--Forest DYFONG
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IN MY SEMI-SCRIPTURAL SEMI-PERSONAL LANGUAGE, I CALL IT, "LYING FAKE CHRISTIANS AND SHEPHERDS FOLLOWING THE DEVIL AND CHEATING ON THIER SPOUSES AND GIRLFRIEND BY HAVING SPIRITUAL SEX WITH THE DEVIL, AND LOVING IT, ALL NIGHT LONG... IN A HOTEL ROOM, AWAY AND HIDDEN FROM THE WIFE AND CHILDREN."
Again, you misunderstand me, I am not "condemning" you. I am making general statements of TRUTH AND FACT, that applies to all humans, even including ME, IF I were to go astray. I hate hypocrisy. Whatever standard I measure against anyone, I measure to myself too, and I STAND BY THIS, FOREVER. IT IS WHAT JESUS COMMANDED US TO DO.
BLESSINGS TO EVERYONE!
--Forest DYFONG
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your argument is still with satan.
Regardless if you want to swift the argument to fake lying Christians.
Your argument is still with satan.
Understand that.
Know that.
Learn from that
A warrior Christian would know better
A Christian leader would know better.
A young Christian who falls into sexual sin would not
A young Christian who repeats lies would not
Your argument is with satan. And satan is arguing with you
Your thoughts are being manipulated.
Why because you have grief and satan has given you an axe to grind.
Get it
Learn it
Accept it
Blessings.
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HONESTLY TRY TO TELL THAT TO SO MANY PEOPLE BACKSTABBED BY CHRISTIAN LEADERS.
IF YOU SAY CHRISTIAN LEADERS KNOW BETTER, THEN ALL OF THEM WOULD NOT BACKSTAB PEOPLE AND LIE ABOUT IT.
BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT SOME SHEPHERDS AND CHRISTIAN LEADERS ARE HYPOCRITES WHEN THEY DO KNOW BETTER... AND THEY STILL LIE AND CHEAT AND STEAL AND HIDE IT AND DONT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.
IN THE STORY OF GENESIS, CHAPTER 3, (YOU READ IT RIGHT?), DID EVE SAYING, "O GOD! YOUR ARGUMENT IS WITH SATAN, NOT ME, NOT MY (CHRISTIAN) LEADER ADAM, NOT US(!)" GET HER OUT OF TROUBLE? DID HER BLAMING SATAN, GET HER OUT OF THE LIFE-LONG CURSE OF BIRTH PAIN, AND LET HER AND ADAM AND ALL MANKIND AVOID THE DEATH PENALTY OR THE CURSE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS?! WHY WOULD GOD PUNISH THEM IF THEY WEREN'T GUILTY OF DELIBERATE WRONG-DOING? OBVIOUSLY, IT WAS THEIR FAULT. THEY KNEW BETTER ALSO, AND STILL SINNED.
RELIGIOUS LEADERS ARE SOMETIMES RESPONSIBLE FOR WORLD-SHATTERING NIGHTMARE STARTING SCREW UPS. IT WAS TRUE OF JESUS' TIME, IT'S STILL TRUE NOW. "NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN... RIGHT? GOD'S WORD CANNOT LIE. JESUS AND GOD KNEW HIS OWN PEOPLE WOULD BETRAY HIM, AGAIN AND AGAIN. NOT ALL WHO SAY TO JESUS, "LORD, LORD!" ARE HIS PEOPLE... SOME CHRISTIAN LEADERS ARE NOT HIS PEOPLE. I DIDN'T MAKE THIS UP, JESUS SAID THIS. JOHN 16:2 : " ... Yes, the time is coming that WHOEVER KILLS you will think that he offers God service. " THIS INCLUDES BLACK PEOPLE, WHITE PEOPLE, BLUE, PURPLE, AND ORANGE PEOPLE (ALL) WHO KILL PEOPLE THINKING GOD OR SAYING GOD WANTED IT THAT WAY.
Are you saying just because someone is a Christian leader, they are not guilty when they do wrong and their words or actions kill people and children?
Your words don't make sense to people who have REALLY experienced the REAL WORLD and the SCRIPTURES and the crap that comes from hypocritical Christians.
Still, I forgive you for not being scriptural.
If we need to reconcile, I am willing to understand you more and talk and reconcile.
It is on the table. I hold no bitterness against you or anyone else.
We are family, and we need to remember that.
BLESSINGS TO YOU AND EVERYONE!
--Forest DYFONG
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HONESTLY TRY TO TELL THAT TO SO MANY PEOPLE BACKSTABBED BY CHRISTIAN LEADERS.
IF YOU SAY CHRISTIAN LEADERS KNOW BETTER, THEN ALL OF THEM WOULD NOT BACKSTAB PEOPLE AND LIE ABOUT IT.
BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT SOME SHEPHERDS AND CHRISTIAN LEADERS ARE HYPOCRITES WHEN THEY DO KNOW BETTER... AND THEY STILL LIE AND CHEAT AND STEAL AND HIDE IT AND DONT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.
IN THE STORY OF GENESIS, CHAPTER 3, (YOU READ IT RIGHT?), DID EVE SAYING, "O GOD! YOUR ARGUMENT IS WITH SATAN, NOT ME, NOT MY (CHRISTIAN) LEADER ADAM, NOT US(!)" GET HER OUT OF TROUBLE? DID HER BLAMING SATAN, GET HER OUT OF THE LIFE-LONG CURSE OF BIRTH PAIN, AND LET HER AND ADAM AND ALL MANKIND AVOID THE DEATH PENALTY OR THE CURSE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS?! WHY WOULD GOD PUNISH THEM IF THEY WEREN'T GUILTY OF DELIBERATE WRONG-DOING? OBVIOUSLY, IT WAS THEIR FAULT. THEY KNEW BETTER ALSO, AND STILL SINNED.
RELIGIOUS LEADERS ARE SOMETIMES RESPONSIBLE FOR WORLD-SHATTERING NIGHTMARE STARTING SCREW UPS. IT WAS TRUE OF JESUS' TIME, IT'S STILL TRUE NOW. "NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN... RIGHT? GOD'S WORD CANNOT LIE. JESUS AND GOD KNEW HIS OWN PEOPLE WOULD BETRAY HIM, AGAIN AND AGAIN. NOT ALL WHO SAY TO JESUS, "LORD, LORD!" ARE HIS PEOPLE... SOME CHRISTIAN LEADERS ARE NOT HIS PEOPLE. I DIDN'T MAKE THIS UP, JESUS SAID THIS. JOHN 16:2 : " ... Yes, the time is coming that WHOEVER KILLS you will think that he offers God service. " THIS INCLUDES BLACK PEOPLE, WHITE PEOPLE, BLUE, PURPLE, AND ORANGE PEOPLE (ALL) WHO KILL PEOPLE THINKING GOD OR SAYING GOD WANTED IT THAT WAY.
Are you saying just because someone is a Christian leader, they are not guilty when they do wrong and their words or actions kill people and children?
^^^ What do you mean by this? All christian leaders are not responsible for their own screw ups? Are you saying only Satan is responsible and not the christian leader?!
Your words don't make sense to people who have REALLY experienced the REAL WORLD and the SCRIPTURES and the crap that comes from hypocritical Christians.
Still, I forgive you for not being scriptural.
If we need to reconcile, I am willing to understand you more and talk and reconcile.
It is on the table. I hold no bitterness against you or anyone else.
We are family, and we need to remember that.
BLESSINGS TO YOU AND EVERYONE!
--Forest DYFONG
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I can see I'm not blind.
I see your you fail to realise a single point being raised, and because of your personal grief,
Your blinded with a scar so deep, that your revenge is aimed at people you think are Christian.
But there not Christian.
You used the expression à Christian leader or warrior has told a Christian they can go to hell,
Have you even examined what your saying.
You can't because your stuck in they and them and you mode.
A Christian leader or warrior would be chosen by God to lead his people to feal loved by God.
If a Christian leaders tells another Christian they can go to hell.
Then that is not of God and that Christian leader is not chosen and neither is he Christian.
So your argument is a false premise.
Your reasoning of Adam and Eve has nothing to do with it. Because the serpent may have even been satan, and Adam and eve where to immature to know the full knowledge of good and evil.
Death that God may bring to his people has nothing to do with it.
God can simply remove one of his children's conscience so they don't feal the pain of death of the body.
Eternal death of the spirit is decided by God and God alone,
No Christian can determine that Judgement.
That's common sense.
if you believe a Christian can be a Christian and use Gods Judgement this way.
then your not fully grown
Because you would know better.
And seeing as you have a intellect you should know better than to crease a false premise this way.
Why are you creating a false premise,
Because your told your so smart that what you know is correct.
Satan favorite vanity.
To take hold of a persons grief like you and make them aim the blame else where.
Which is what your doing
Because you dont see your argument is with Satan.
Blessings
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit cannot be committed by "fellow believers."
I agree that you are correct.
I don't know if your article addresses this, so I'll just touch on it briefly.
One thing to keep in mind is the application is to those who are lost and who become reprobate.
There is a false doctrine taught by many pastors that says that God loves EVERYONE and that He would NEVER reject or give up on any unbeliever. It makes church goers feel good, but it's blatantly false in Greek, Hebrew or English. No exegesis is necessary.