amen IN HIM is the fullness of the Godhead but we are not able to fully understand.
Understanding the Trinity as a doctrine.
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If you want to go personal as I have not with you I have stated my position from the word of God as I see it. To attack my God calling as a minister is below the belt. I will accept you are incapable of refuting the word of God presented contextually OF the Eternal Godhead never described as an energy. Please continue with your insults
You ignored all the scriptures I posted, and the ones you left were just titles with the word spirit in it. No evidence for Trinity.
Please move on I will not have this discussion with you after attacking the call of God on my life. If you cannot do what I have requested I will have to take action.
Coe-Equal: Person #1 - Father Person#2 - Son Person #3 - Holy Spirit.
The order in which you had them was wrong.
Secondly, the concept of the Trinity is well seen in the Scriptures. We do not reduce any persons of the Godhead to fix our narrative.
This is what you are doing.
The fact that you
Webster's 1828 Dictionary:
EN'ERGY, noun [Gr. work.]
To explain the Holy Spirit and God is very telling. The word "Energy" is not contextual when speaking of the Holy Spirit in scriptures as I proved earlier. Using a dictionary to make one word elite in scripture is improper bible interpretation. God Himself when HE was asked by Moses who do I say that has sent me? God said IAM that IAM. This is not translated "IAM" to mean " an Energy of energies"
No.
Ex 3:14 IAM that IAM = the Self-Existent One who has always been. God has never referred to Himself as energy but as a Person.
But some know better than God and His word. And think using a dictionary bring authority to the false narrative, it does not.
The Most High is All and is in ALL...
Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
This is how they are "one" in spirit... but that spirit originates from The Most High, not Jesus.
John 5:26
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
John 12:49
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 13:3
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
Even after Death:
Revelation 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John
Mark 13:32
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
All power from Jesus comes by way of the Father... Not the other way around.
Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
This is how they are "one" in spirit... but that spirit originates from The Most High, not Jesus.
John 5:26
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
John 12:49
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 13:3
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
Even after Death:
Revelation 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John
Mark 13:32
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
All power from Jesus comes by way of the Father... Not the other way around.
hmm, I don't see anything that says The Holy Spirt is energy?
You deny Jesus is God?
You deny the Holy Spirit is God? but know the Holy Spirit is energy without scriptural proof? interesting.
I'm trying to stop but you keep speaking to me you are funny LOL Ok, you want the last word I get it, Ok, you can have it go ahead.
Jesus is referred to as "God" or "Lord" in the scriptures. He is just not these things...
...Those titles are exclusive to who Jesus referred to as his Father.
The titles "Lord and God" are not exclusive to Jesus or The Most High:
John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
The Father and son here are two distinct beings, both being called Lord:
Psalm 110:1
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
This was quoted later by The Messiah:
Mark 12:35-37
35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the son of David?
36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.
In Genesis 23:6 Abraham was not only called a prince, but also "lord" and "god". The word translated here as "mighty", is the the same word for God as Genesis 1:1 ("In the beginning God"):
Genesis 23:5-6
5 And the children of Heth answered Abraham, saying unto him,
6 Hear us, my lord: thou art a mighty (Elohim) prince among us: in the choice of our sepulchres bury thy dead; none of us shall withhold from thee his sepulchre, but that thou mayest bury thy dead.
The words "Lord/My Lord" are used throughout scripture as a sign of honor and respect to someone you look up to. Being called "God or Son of God" is used for those that walk after the spirit as a reflection of The Most High as opposed to walking after the flesh and sin.
These are NOT titles exclusive to The Most High and the Messiah... So it is illogical to use these titles to support the trinity doctrine.
- THE MOST HIGH GOD
- THE ALMIGHTY
- Above all gods
- יהוה
...Those titles are exclusive to who Jesus referred to as his Father.
The titles "Lord and God" are not exclusive to Jesus or The Most High:
John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
The Father and son here are two distinct beings, both being called Lord:
Psalm 110:1
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
This was quoted later by The Messiah:
Mark 12:35-37
35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the son of David?
36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.
In Genesis 23:6 Abraham was not only called a prince, but also "lord" and "god". The word translated here as "mighty", is the the same word for God as Genesis 1:1 ("In the beginning God"):
Genesis 23:5-6
5 And the children of Heth answered Abraham, saying unto him,
6 Hear us, my lord: thou art a mighty (Elohim) prince among us: in the choice of our sepulchres bury thy dead; none of us shall withhold from thee his sepulchre, but that thou mayest bury thy dead.
The words "Lord/My Lord" are used throughout scripture as a sign of honor and respect to someone you look up to. Being called "God or Son of God" is used for those that walk after the spirit as a reflection of The Most High as opposed to walking after the flesh and sin.
These are NOT titles exclusive to The Most High and the Messiah... So it is illogical to use these titles to support the trinity doctrine.
You cannot be a Christian and deny Jesus is God. 1cor 12:3 says with the Holy Spirit no one can say Jesus is Lord. Nowhere in scripture in the word energy used to describe the Holy Spirit.
John chapter 1:1-5 tell us who Jesus is:
In the beginning, was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He (Jesus)was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him(Jesus), and without Him (Jesus)nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not [a]comprehend it.
1cor 12:3
3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
John chapter 1:1-5 tell us who Jesus is:
In the beginning, was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He (Jesus)was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him(Jesus), and without Him (Jesus)nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not [a]comprehend it.
1cor 12:3
3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
Another Anti-Trinitarian posting here to trouble the saints. If Jesus is indeed God then He is also the Lord God Almighty. And here is the evidence from Revelation 1:
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Please note carefully: It is the Almighty who says that He is the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the ending. But it is also the one who ls like unto the Son of Man, the one who was dead, and who lives for evermore, who says the very same thing. The Father is called "the Lord" and the Son is also called "the Lord". Therefore the Son -- who is God -- is also the Lord God Almighty.
In view of this what you are proposing and presenting is RANK HERESY.
Luk 23:46, And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
I think you are stretching the truth here. No where in the bible is the Deity described as a hive, or bunch. His Glory is Singular and Unique. Strong's definition shows not one hint of what you say. Mark 12:29 the greek says the Lord is One.
If you believe Father has a God, you are blaspheming. I you say that Jesus has a Father Who is God, then ok. If you are saying Jesus is God, the Scriptures do not say that and you are blaspheming. (Heb 1:8-9 Berean Study Bible "But about the Son He says:") and Rev 1:6 (Jesus has All Authority given to him by God). Once again you change the meaning of the Scriptures to suit you needs.
1 Corinthians 12:1Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. 2Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
The title "lord" is not the same as "God". One means "master" and the other means creator of the universe. My master can be Justin, but Justin ain't god.
1 Corinthians 8:6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
The above reinforces John 1:3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. They are not reiteration of a same idea, they are a description of Father God and master Jesus who both are above you.
None of the Scriptures speak of the triune godhead.
Consider the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Sprit is the Spirit of God. By deifying Jesus, are you not taking away the Glory from God? By using God's name stating he has a maker, are you not blaspheming in spades?
Let me paraphrase (in parentheses) Isaiah 45
11Thus saith the LORD (God), the Holy One of Israel, and his (Cyrus') Maker, (God's title) ...
God is not created.