Understanding God’s election

[Genez]

Yes and raptured is raptured, justified is justified, sanctified is sanctified. Reward is reward.

There is no reward for being saved, that was a free gift of God.

To be raptured you are a vessel unto honor and that indicates you have sanctified yourself.

Your rewards will be determined by the evaluation of your works after you were saved.
Some will have no rewards.
For they did a lousy job in working out their salvation in fear and trembling...
These ones settled for wood hay and stubble to make their shelter.

Others?
They sought out gold, silver, and precious stones.
Sound doctrine, knowledge, and wisdom.

But all will be saved, no matter how poor an example they chose to make themselves into.

For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. ​

If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, ​

their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be ​

revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has ​

been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will ​

suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames."​

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1 Corinthians 3:11-15​

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grace and peace!

 

[ZNP]

Your rewards will be determined by the evaluation of your works after you were saved.
Some will have no rewards.
For they did a lousy job in working out their salvation in fear and trembling...
These ones settled for wood hay and stubble to make their shelter.

Others?
They sought out gold, silver, and precious stones.
Sound doctrine, knowledge, and wisdom.

But all will be saved, no matter how poor an example they chose to make themselves into.

For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. ​

If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, ​

their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be ​

revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has ​

been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will ​

suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames."​

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1 Corinthians 3:11-15​

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grace and peace!

Yes so being saved does not indicate reward, nor does it indicate sanctification, simply justification. But in order to be a vessel unto honor you must be sanctified.

Many claim that all Christians get raptured before the tribulation even though it is very clear in Revelation there are tribulation saints.

However, all Christiansw would mean all who are justified. The number who are are sanctified are signficicantly less. A small subset of that number.

1 thessalonians 4:1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.

2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;

5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:

6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.

 

[Genez]

This is why I wonder if they really could be categorized as Christians because they worship a Jesus that doesn't exist except in their own minds. But they want to appear legitimate by glomming on to genuine Christianity even though there are massive false teachings in their doctrine that go against God's ways in the Bible.

Anyway, the Bible says to avoid such people especially those that have been non-stop trying to drill their false doctrines/teachings into us in certain threads. God knows - the Bible even acknowledges of their existence and what they're doing.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

There are other false doctrines being pushed in these forums so I'm including those people in the above verses as well.

These are perilous times - satan is trying to get as many Christians to believe in these false doctrines. The great apostasy doesn't require a Christian to renounce Christianity - but to embrace just enough false doctrine to steer them away from true salvation. That's what happening right now.





You promote false teaching that doesn't line up with God and His ways in the Bible. I don't need approval from you or your emotional support monkey.

The world is given "Fake News" to keep the secular issues within Satan's control with his minion of ruler demons.

And, the Church?

The Church is presented a wide variety of false teachings. "Fake Doctrines."

Jesus called the false, "the broad and wide road" that leads to destruction.
Destruction of their spiritual life and effectiveness.
It is called "broad and wide" because it offers wide variety for everyone's personal tendencies when walking carnally.

The Strait and narrow?
Its is under pressure ther requires persistence to eventually break through and overcome.

Strait does not mean straight. It means, strict.
For it requires concentration and dedication to locating and securing sound teachings to think with,
so the Holy Spirit can walk in oneness with you.

Few find it.
Yet, many who are saved, will not find it.

There is no safety in numbers when walking with God! Only a few will find it!
Notice who the "many" are in the following verse!

For the time will come when they will not put up with sound doctrine. ​

Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great ​

number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3​

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God will always provide for his Church only a few good teachers.

Only a few.

Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, ​

because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. ​

James 3:1​

It must depend upon the one's personal leading of the Spirit for one to locate one's right pastor-teacher.
For the religious ones?
Many will grab onto what appeals to their untransformed way of thinking and bond with like-minded people.

God is Fair and Just. All who are genuinely seeking (not simply religious) will find more than they asked for.

.............. grace and peace!

 

[Genez]

Yes so being saved does not indicate reward, nor does it indicate sanctification, simply justification. But in order to be a vessel unto honor you must be sanctified.

Many claim that all Christians get raptured before the tribulation even though it is very clear in Revelation there are tribulation saints.

Your mistake?

Only the Church is raptured. Believers of other dispensations are not.

Tribulation saints is the revival and return of the Jewish time on earth.
They are not the church. They are believers just the same.

That is why there will be suddenly 144,000 Jews raised up as God's witnesses on the earth during that short period of time.
It will be the end of the Jewish age, which had been interrupted for the time reserved for God bringing in the Bride of Christ!

 

[DeanM]

There will be people coming to Christ after the rapture, during the tribulation. These are what are refered to as tribulation saints.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

There will be people coming to Christ after the rapture, during the tribulation. These are what are refered to as tribulation saints.

I hate to break it to you but the rapture is post-trib. WE will be the tribulation saints.

Most people don't believe that because it is too horrible to even think about. I know you're or others are going to all pull your notes out and say that the post trib rapture is wrong.

But if that is what you want to believe, I won't argue. I feel we're close to that time that at least we can see that the rapture is not pre-trib and when we come to the mid-point, that it won't be mid-trib either.

 

[ZNP]

There will be people coming to Christ after the rapture, during the tribulation. These are what are refered to as tribulation saints.

and who speaks the word to them? Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

 

[Magenta]

Astute observation indeed >>> "carnal resentment of people."

You seem to have quite a bit of that. Rather hard not to notice, actually.

 

[ZNP]

Your mistake?

Only the Church is raptured. Believers of other dispensations are not.

Tribulation saints is the revival and return of the Jewish time on earth.
They are not the church. They are believers just the same.

That is why there will be suddenly 144,000 Jews raised up as God's witnesses on the earth during that short period of time.
It will be the end of the Jewish age, which had been interrupted for the time reserved for God bringing in the Bride of Christ!

and how exactly are they raised?

The mistake is that revelation is allll about many harvests, firstfruits, general harvest and gleanings. Only a few are ripe initially.

 

[DeanM]

and who speaks the word to them? Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

The tribulation saints will hear the gospel from several possible sources. The first is the Bible; there will be many copies of the Bible left in the world, and when God’s judgments begin to fall, many people will likely react by finding a Bible to see if prophecies are being fulfilled. Many of the tribulation saints will also have heard the gospel from the two witnesses.

 

[ZNP]

The tribulation saints will hear the gospel from several possible sources. The first is the Bible; there will be many copies of the Bible left in the world, and when God’s judgments begin to fall, many people will likely react by finding a Bible to see if prophecies are being fulfilled. Many of the tribulation saints will also have heard the gospel from the two witnesses.

You are making all of that stuff up, there is a very strong Biblical case to be made that most born again Christians will be left behind.

The idea that under intense persecution that we have never seen before unbelievers will pick up bibles and get saved and take a stand for Jesus so that they would rather die than take the mark of the beast? How many Christians today would do that?

There are a lot of erroneous doctrines with nothing but the slimest Biblical basis.

For example, the church will be raptured. True, this promise is given to the church in Philadelphia, but not to any of the other six churches. To be fair Thyatira, Sardis and Laodicea most likely represent the churches where most Christians are (Catholic, Denominational, and this modern apostate church). But the promise is given to Philadelphia because she has not denied the Lord's name or His word. That indicates that these other churches have.

Enoch was taken, a type of the rapture, and he was the seventh from Adam. We associate the number seven with the church. OK, but Enoch means consecrated, fully given to Jesus Christ. There are a whole lot of christians who are not fully given, fully consecrated. Samson was the strong man, he was in bed with Delilah. How many churches were in bed with the federal government when they imposed the lockdown during the pandemic? Walmart, Costco, and the casinos were open, but the churches agreed to close? Samson doesn't get raptured, the temple collapses on him after his eyes have been poked out.

What the New Testament says in black and white, clear as day, is that the restrainer is taken out of the way. These are Christians filled with the holy spirit restraining evil on the earth. Those are the ones who will be raptured.

When Moses returns from the mountain top to discover an orgy taking place it is a picture of the Lord's return. Only the levites were faithful, they were called up (raptured). That is a picture of the rapture. That is only 1 out of 12 tribes.

 

[Genez]

and how exactly are they raised?

The mistake is that revelation is allll about many harvests, firstfruits, general harvest and gleanings. Only a few are ripe initially.

Whom are the "they" you mentioned?

 

[DeanM]

You are making all of that stuff up, there is a very strong Biblical case to be made that most born again Christians will be left behind.

The idea that under intense persecution that we have never seen before unbelievers will pick up bibles and get saved and take a stand for Jesus so that they would rather die than take the mark of the beast? How many Christians today would do that?

There are a lot of erroneous doctrines with nothing but the slimest Biblical basis.

For example, the church will be raptured. True, this promise is given to the church in Philadelphia, but not to any of the other six churches. To be fair Thyatira, Sardis and Laodicea most likely represent the churches where most Christians are (Catholic, Denominational, and this modern apostate church). But the promise is given to Philadelphia because she has not denied the Lord's name or His word. That indicates that these other churches have.

Enoch was taken, a type of the rapture, and he was the seventh from Adam. We associate the number seven with the church. OK, but Enoch means consecrated, fully given to Jesus Christ. There are a whole lot of christians who are not fully given, fully consecrated. Samson was the strong man, he was in bed with Delilah. How many churches were in bed with the federal government when they imposed the lockdown during the pandemic? Walmart, Costco, and the casinos were open, but the churches agreed to close? Samson doesn't get raptured, the temple collapses on him after his eyes have been poked out.

What the New Testament says in black and white, clear as day, is that the restrainer is taken out of the way. These are Christians filled with the holy spirit restraining evil on the earth. Those are the ones who will be raptured.

When Moses returns from the mountain top to discover an orgy taking place it is a picture of the Lord's return. Only the levites were faithful, they were called up (raptured). That is a picture of the rapture. That is only 1 out of 12 tribes.

So nice to come here and be accused of making things up. Yesterday I was a bigot because I say calvinism is heresey and today im a liar. Dont you have a youtube video or two to throw around?

 

[ZNP]

Whom are the "they" you mentioned?

The tribulation saints. According to the new Testament you don't get believers unless someone preaches to them.

 

[ZNP]

So nice to come here and be accused of making things up. Yesterday I was a bigot because I say calvinism is heresey and today im a liar. Dont you have a youtube video or two to throw around?

Hey, if there is a Biblical basis to say that unbelievers during the tribulation will find bibles and get saved by all means share that with the rest of us. The new testament is very clear, people need someone to hear the gospel from. That is a New Testament principle. There is no Biblical basis to say that unbelievers after the rapture will find bibles and get themselves saved.

Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

 

[DeanM]

The tribulation saints. According to the new Testament you don't get believers unless someone preaches to them.

nonsense. the bible is the best source of "hearing" the word.

 

[DeanM]

Hey, if there is a Biblical basis to say that unbelievers during the tribulation will find bibles and get saved by all means share that with the rest of us. The new testament is very clear, people need someone to hear the gospel from. That is a New Testament principle. There is no Biblical basis to say that unbelievers after the rapture will find bibles and get themselves saved.

Wait. let me find a youtube video for you.

 

[ZNP]

Wait. let me find a youtube video for you.

I'm not interested in a video, do you have a Bible reference that would support such a theory?

 

[ZNP]

nonsense. the bible is the best source of "hearing" the word.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

 

[DeanM]

I'm not interested in a video, do you have a Bible reference that would support such a theory?

Oh sorry. I thought you were the guy posting youtube all the time about how the end was next week. Must be someone else.