Understanding God’s election
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Faith is belief. The faith is what is believed.
I've supplied verses that speak of the faith = that which is believed.
Faith is a prerequisite to believing just says believing is a perquisite to believing.
Now if you said, The Faith is a prerequisite to believing, we'd be getting somewhere because we need something (The Faith) to believe.
He believed the faith Jesus authored and perfected = He had faith in the faith Jesus authored and perfected = He exercised his faith in the faith Jesus authored and perfected = He put his faith in the faith Jesus authored and perfected = He trusted in the faith Jesus authored and perfected - all of which ends up = He believes in Jesus Christ and all of what Jesus Christ and His Apostle taught.
The Faith = The Completed Gospel Jesus authored and perfected and handed down to His Holy Ones.
There's even a bit more to this but this needs to be understood in order to understand how faith is used in the NC Scriptures.
I've supplied verses that speak of the faith = that which is believed.
Faith is a prerequisite to believing just says believing is a perquisite to believing.
Now if you said, The Faith is a prerequisite to believing, we'd be getting somewhere because we need something (The Faith) to believe.
He believed the faith Jesus authored and perfected = He had faith in the faith Jesus authored and perfected = He exercised his faith in the faith Jesus authored and perfected = He put his faith in the faith Jesus authored and perfected = He trusted in the faith Jesus authored and perfected - all of which ends up = He believes in Jesus Christ and all of what Jesus Christ and His Apostle taught.
The Faith = The Completed Gospel Jesus authored and perfected and handed down to His Holy Ones.
There's even a bit more to this but this needs to be understood in order to understand how faith is used in the NC Scriptures.
Do you believe Abraham always obeyed God? Do you believe obedience is the reason righteousness was conferred upon Abraham?
Obedience isn't the reason righteousness was ascribed to Abraham; faith was. The Bible teaches that Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.
It is unlikely that Abraham would be considered righteous had he not believed God. And it is equally doubtful that he would have obeyed God had he not believed God. So, in answer to your original question, likely not.
Obedience isn't the reason righteousness was ascribed to Abraham; faith was. The Bible teaches that Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.
It is unlikely that Abraham would be considered righteous had he not believed God. And it is equally doubtful that he would have obeyed God had he not believed God. So, in answer to your original question, likely not.
How convenient, after having your silly arguments thoroughly trounced, to admit they were ridiculous in the first place and of no import.
Romans 12:3b Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you.
The Bible explicitly states that God gave you a measure of faith. How long before you see how silly and plain wrong
your argument is and pretend it was never an important part of any discussions? Oh, yes, we know you will deny it.
You easily dispute many things which are explicitly stated in Scripture but you refute none of it.
Romans 12:3b Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you.
The Bible explicitly states that God gave you a measure of faith. How long before you see how silly and plain wrong
your argument is and pretend it was never an important part of any discussions? Oh, yes, we know you will deny it.
You easily dispute many things which are explicitly stated in Scripture but you refute none of it.
1 Corinthians 4 verse 7b; John 3 verse 27; Romans 9 verses 15-16 ~ What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did also receive it, why do you boast as not having received it? John replied, "A man can receive only that which is given him from heaven." "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then, it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
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John 3 verse 6, Romans 8 verse 7, Galatians 5 verse 17, 2 Timothy 3 verse 13, Romans 3 verse 18 ~ Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. The mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. The flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. Evil men and imposters go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Unbelievable how much of the Bible you deny. You suppress the truth in unrighteousness as surely as unbelievers do.
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The true faith of the heart isn't informational, its spiritual. The delivery of the tenets (the information) of faith intellectually to someone for their edification/caretaking/preaching/ contending for it, is not the same as the obtaining of true spiritual faith of the heart. I am asking about the obtaining of the true spiritual faith of the heart which faith brings forth true, permanent spiritual belief. Whether according to you, that faith of the heart can be obtained only through the righteousness of Christ as the verse so states? BTW, the obtaining of the true spiritual faith of the heart, is the faith that Peter was speaking of.
Yes well, your contempt for Calvin's people let's you ignore Paul. 1 Corinthians 2.
And of course Jesus who has already been discussed as one who tells us repeatedly,we do not choose him.
Paul told us why.
Continue to ignore that. Giving the natural mind the capacity to overcome God's plan which is thought foolishness as written. And needs revision by the ego of man.
And of course Jesus who has already been discussed as one who tells us repeatedly,we do not choose him.
Paul told us why.
Continue to ignore that. Giving the natural mind the capacity to overcome God's plan which is thought foolishness as written. And needs revision by the ego of man.
Another speculation not based on a serious study of these words used in OT and NT. There is absolutely no support for your statement about God unilaterally choosing man in the NT. Election does not refer to salvation but to service, in both the NT and OT. Show me one verse in the Bible that supports the idea that God has chosen people to salvation. Don't try to cite Eph. 1.4, that refers to any member of the Church, who was chosen IN HIM, so that we may be holy and blameless. See, here is where you see that God does not elect to salvation.
Perhaps it is you who should do a serious study. Eph 1:4 is not about the church, it is about chosen individuals, and don't tell me what I can and cannot cite - I'll cite what I please when I please - that you don't have the ability to read and understand is not my problem.
[2Th 2:13 KJV] 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
[2Th 2:13 KJV] 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
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Not much I can do for you. IMO you're importing language "true spiritual faith of the heart" into the Text. Everyone can believe. The issue is what they choose to believe and Who they choose to believe.
ESV John20:29-31 Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." 30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
This entire document written by John of signs Jesus did was written so unbelieving men who have not seen Jesus could believe that Jesus is [YWHW''] Christ, the Son of God and thereby have eternal life.
Some will choose to believe and some will not. In the end of it all, it's really that simple.
Receiving "true spiritual faith of the heart" so a man can believe is made up and a myth.
ESV John20:29-31 Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." 30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
This entire document written by John of signs Jesus did was written so unbelieving men who have not seen Jesus could believe that Jesus is [YWHW''] Christ, the Son of God and thereby have eternal life.
Some will choose to believe and some will not. In the end of it all, it's really that simple.
Receiving "true spiritual faith of the heart" so a man can believe is made up and a myth.
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Such nonsense and completely unBiblical.
2 Corinthians 4 verse 4 ~ The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, Who is the image of God.
2 Corinthians 4 verse 4 ~ The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, Who is the image of God.
You could resolve the contradiction by believing that those unable to be saved do not go to hell (like babies or the
mentally/morally incompetent?), which might be biblical, but do you?
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