Understanding God’s election
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For one thing they do not believe, so I am not sure what they may be hoping for.
Those made alive in Christ, who have their hearts circumcised, have hope in the Lord,
and the life to come, life which is in Him, and Him alone. I am truly puzzled why you,
if you are alive in Christ, would say you are as dead as one who is not alive in Christ.
Honestly that makes zero sense to me, and it is not Biblical either.
From 1 Peter 1 3-5 ~ The elect are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood. By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
Those made alive in Christ, who have their hearts circumcised, have hope in the Lord,
and the life to come, life which is in Him, and Him alone. I am truly puzzled why you,
if you are alive in Christ, would say you are as dead as one who is not alive in Christ.
Honestly that makes zero sense to me, and it is not Biblical either.
From 1 Peter 1 3-5 ~ The elect are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood. By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
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In your view of Scripture, was there anything like a faithful OC Jew at the time Christ came to earth, maybe with a zeal towards God as they understood Him?
Is it conceivable to you with your unscriptural view of fallen mankind that there could be a faithful Jew who could have been at first unfaithful to YHWH's Christ until he was persuaded Jesus is YHWH's Christ?
You're so far off base on so many Scriptural truths, that it seems to me you cannot even do basic reasoning let alone the logic @PaulThomson has been calling you on. There's probably a very personal reason Paul could so clearly see and say with deep, heartfelt care:
NKJ Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
There is a part of me that grew up where you still are that would like to come out and get into the gutter with you. But there's no need since you continually beckon from there showing where you are actually based and still thrive.
The call is to become something vastly different than what you show yourself to be after how many decades? You're in your 8th now, aren't you? Some of us can only hope all others see you for what you clearly are.
There remains some decorum towards you. We're all fortunate this is the case. It's a testimony of what being and remaining in Christ accomplishes.
The call is to become something vastly different than what you show yourself to be after how many decades? You're in your 8th now, aren't you? Some of us can only hope all others see you for what you clearly are.
There remains some decorum towards you. We're all fortunate this is the case. It's a testimony of what being and remaining in Christ accomplishes.
For one thing they do not believe, so I am not sure what they may be hoping for.
Those made alive in Christ, who have their hearts circumcised, have hope in the Lord,
and the life to come, life which is in Him, and Him alone. I am truly puzzled why you,
if you are alive in Christ, would say you are as dead as one who is not alive in Christ.
Honestly that makes zero sense to me, and it is not Biblical either.
From 1 Peter 1 3-5 ~ The elect are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood. By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
Those made alive in Christ, who have their hearts circumcised, have hope in the Lord,
and the life to come, life which is in Him, and Him alone. I am truly puzzled why you,
if you are alive in Christ, would say you are as dead as one who is not alive in Christ.
Honestly that makes zero sense to me, and it is not Biblical either.
From 1 Peter 1 3-5 ~ The elect are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood. By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
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There are a lot of Pelagian heretics here... with seemingly zero comprehension
of there being a distinction between the natural man and the spiritual man.
John 3.19-20 and from Psalm 10.4 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of Light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come
into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. The wicked reviles the Lord
of there being a distinction between the natural man and the spiritual man.
John 3.19-20 and from Psalm 10.4 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of Light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come
into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. The wicked reviles the Lord
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There are a lot of Pelagian heretics here... with seemingly zero comprehension
of there being a distinction between the natural man and the spiritual man.
John 3.19-20 and from Psalm 10.4 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of Light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come
into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. The wicked reviles the Lord
of there being a distinction between the natural man and the spiritual man.
John 3.19-20 and from Psalm 10.4 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of Light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come
into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. The wicked reviles the Lord
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You've already butchered the discussion of the Remnant in a failed attempt to put the cart before the horse but look at Paul's application of it and then the Lost Sheep of Israel in the Gospels. Also, look at some of the Israelites awaiting Messiah and even the expectations of some of the Samaritans expecting Messiah. I'd also look at the Prophet sent once again to bring Israel to repentance and the problems created by the shepherds of Israel.
It would also be nice to see some attempt at explaining the why and the how and the timing of the Lord considering Paul's faithfulness to see if there's something there. It's interesting to track how the Lord sees things and note truths such as how He calls sinful King David a man after His own heart.
It would also be nice to see some attempt at explaining the why and the how and the timing of the Lord considering Paul's faithfulness to see if there's something there. It's interesting to track how the Lord sees things and note truths such as how He calls sinful King David a man after His own heart.
And yet you insisted at first that a Christian cannot sin. You said -
"1 John 3:7-10
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
NIV
It is the ungodly world that is under the devil's power -- those who live under the control of the flesh, the world and their evil father; not Christ's Church! How long have you been an admirer of the devil? And notice that v. 8b is not in the future tense, as you claim by your earthly millennial kingdom nonsense. John did not teach that Christ will appear to destroy the devils' work -- but rather that He HAS APPEARED, i.e. his first advent!"
Now you seem to be back-tracking to Christians won't 'finally succumb to the devil's attacks into apostasy, but the devil will nevertheless be able to tempt and overcome Christians for a season.
"1 John 3:7-10
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
NIV
It is the ungodly world that is under the devil's power -- those who live under the control of the flesh, the world and their evil father; not Christ's Church! How long have you been an admirer of the devil? And notice that v. 8b is not in the future tense, as you claim by your earthly millennial kingdom nonsense. John did not teach that Christ will appear to destroy the devils' work -- but rather that He HAS APPEARED, i.e. his first advent!"
Now you seem to be back-tracking to Christians won't 'finally succumb to the devil's attacks into apostasy, but the devil will nevertheless be able to tempt and overcome Christians for a season.
There is no logic to your identifying the destruction of the temple in AD 70 as the end of the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant was no longer effective from the death of Jesus up until AD 70. What difference did the destruction of the temple make. Jews still practise their ineffective religion even today, so it clearly did not cease in AD 90.
The destruction of the temple is clearly not a death-knell to the Mosaic covenant,since it continued without a temple during the Babylonian exile. If the removal of God's glory from the tabernacle or temple were a death knell to the Mosaic covenant, it died during Eli's high-priesthood, and at Jesus death. Your ideas are highly arbitrary and post hoc rationalised. They are not ideas that come at one from out of the text, but need to be read into the text after presupposing them.
The destruction of the temple is clearly not a death-knell to the Mosaic covenant,since it continued without a temple during the Babylonian exile. If the removal of God's glory from the tabernacle or temple were a death knell to the Mosaic covenant, it died during Eli's high-priesthood, and at Jesus death. Your ideas are highly arbitrary and post hoc rationalised. They are not ideas that come at one from out of the text, but need to be read into the text after presupposing them.
Galatians 1:15-16
But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by His grace, was pleased to reveal
His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not rush to consult with flesh and blood,
Acts 20:24
But I consider my life of no value to me, if only I may finish my course and complete the ministry
I have received from the Lord Jesus—the ministry of testifying to the good news of God’s grace.
Ephesians 3:7
I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace, given me through the working of His power.
Colossians 1:25
I became its servant by the commission God gave me to fully proclaim to you the word of God,
1 Timothy 2:7
For this reason I was appointed as a preacher, an apostle, and a faithful and true
teacher of the Gentiles. I am telling the truth; I am not lying about anything.
Romans 15:16
to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so
that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
Isaiah 61:1
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is on Me, because the LORD has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He
has sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and freedom to the prisoners,
Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were
born I set you apart and appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Oh, dear. The way some interpret Scripture, Paul was forced to believe.
The way some interpret Scripture, it was unfair of God.
The way some interpret Scripture, this means God is an unjust tyrannical monster kidnapping people against their will.
But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by His grace, was pleased to reveal
His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not rush to consult with flesh and blood,
Acts 20:24
But I consider my life of no value to me, if only I may finish my course and complete the ministry
I have received from the Lord Jesus—the ministry of testifying to the good news of God’s grace.
Ephesians 3:7
I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace, given me through the working of His power.
Colossians 1:25
I became its servant by the commission God gave me to fully proclaim to you the word of God,
1 Timothy 2:7
For this reason I was appointed as a preacher, an apostle, and a faithful and true
teacher of the Gentiles. I am telling the truth; I am not lying about anything.
Romans 15:16
to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so
that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
Isaiah 61:1
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is on Me, because the LORD has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He
has sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and freedom to the prisoners,
Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were
born I set you apart and appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Oh, dear. The way some interpret Scripture, Paul was forced to believe.
The way some interpret Scripture, it was unfair of God.
The way some interpret Scripture, this means God is an unjust tyrannical monster kidnapping people against their will.
Yup, they do, proving that they're still a stiff-necked and hard-hearted people. Yes, they practice THEIR version Judaism but not God's version.
Moreover, the destruction of the second temple is prophesisied throughout scripture. You can start with the book of Daniel.
And I never claimed that the destruction of the temple was the death knell of the OC. I have already stated that the OC ceased at the Cross but that was just the beginning of the end; the consummation came came in 70 A.D., not 90 A.D. And this was actually a gracious act of God on behalf of all first century messianic Jews; for it sent a loud and clear message to them that the Old Order was actually finished! The destruction of the temple solidified the NC teaching that physical temples are no longer needed because the Church is God's holy temple!
Moreover, the destruction of the second temple is prophesisied throughout scripture. You can start with the book of Daniel.
And I never claimed that the destruction of the temple was the death knell of the OC. I have already stated that the OC ceased at the Cross but that was just the beginning of the end; the consummation came came in 70 A.D., not 90 A.D. And this was actually a gracious act of God on behalf of all first century messianic Jews; for it sent a loud and clear message to them that the Old Order was actually finished! The destruction of the temple solidified the NC teaching that physical temples are no longer needed because the Church is God's holy temple!