Understanding God’s election

[Magenta]

From: John 8:34; 2 Peter 2:19a; Galatians 4:8; Romans 7:14; Ephesians 2:3; Romans 6:6 “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin.” They are slaves of corruption. When you did not know God, you
were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. You were of the flesh, sold under sin. We were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. Our old self was crucified so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.
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[Magenta]

Revelation 3:8; Luke 1:24 ~ Behold, I have placed before you an open door, which no one can shut. Make every effort to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able.

 

[Magenta]

I wonder what free willers make of this verse?

"For many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able." <= the words of Jesus.

It is something that is possible, and there are people trying to do it by the sheer force of their will, but they cannot.

 

[brightfame52]

All grace in God's drawing is effectual.

Effectual grace is the potters wheel.
Some will bend to being shaped as God desires.
Others will lump up, and refuse to yield to a desirable shape..

For it is God will that we each decide on how He is to judge us.

God is not going to allow anyone to remain neutral on the Potters wheel.
Its effectual in the sense of extracting a choice that we each must make.

No one will be left undecided about their contact with the invisible essense of God.
Everyone will either love, or hate, their initial contact with the essence of God in His drawing them.

They are not conscious that it is God making contact with them.
They simple decide how they respond, or react, when contact was made.
If someone remains positive God will begin to reveal more and more about His nature.

Over the finish line?
Christ is then presented.

.......

This is a bunch of nonsense putting mans will above Gods will

 

[fredoheaven]

False

What is He doing between the time you hear and respond in faith?

John 15:26 KJV — But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

The Holy Spirit proclaims Christ as something that one believes.

 

[fredoheaven]

False

Subjective.

 

[fredoheaven]

I wonder what free willers make of this verse?

"For many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able." <= the words of Jesus.

It is something that is possible, and there are people trying to do it by the sheer force of their will, but they cannot.

It is because many try to enter with their work so that they could not enter. However, we enter by faith, that is when we believe on Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

@rogerg

, I believe, reveals to us who the "His people" now are: the true spiritual Israel and true spiritual Jews. It seems to me that by the verses, that God has pretty much wiped the slate clean regarding His relationship to the earthly nation of Israel and to its Jews, which He warned that He would do should they violate the stipulations of His covenant with them, which they nevertheless did repeatedly.
Hope this makes sense; writing isn't my strong suit.

Yes, now under the New Covenant economy elect Gentiles have been grafted with Gods spiritual people, His People Israel Rom 15:9-11

9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.

10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.

11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.

So Gentles are included in His People He came to exclusively save Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

 

[HeIsHere]

All men are all born with the ability to believe in / trust in the Good News.

 

[rogerg]

So Gentles are included in His People He came to exclusively save Matt 1:21

With the "His people" (one and all), solely being those whom He elected to salvation from before the foundation of the world, by which, though Him, were they made "His people", correct?

[1Pe 2:9-10 KJV]
9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

 

[Magenta]

It is because many try to enter with their work so that they could not enter. However, we enter by faith, that is when we believe on Christ.

They cannot just choose to enter. So much for free will.

But I understand why you do not want to admit that.

 

[Magenta]

All men are all born with the ability to believe in / trust in the Good News.

The natural man is blinded by the god of this world. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The natural man is a lover of darkness. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The natural man is a slave to sin. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
Devoid of faith, the natural man's righteous acts are like filthy rags. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
As such, the natural man cannot please God. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The natural man is of the flesh which profits nothing. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The natural man is captive to the will of the devil. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The natural man is hostile in his mind toward God. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The natural man suppresses the truth in unrighteousness. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The natural man cannot receive the spiritual things of God. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The natural man cannot know the spiritual things of God. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The natural man cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The natural man does not seek after God. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The natural man cannot come to God on his own. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The natural man hears the gospel as foolishness. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The natural man is helpless and ungodly. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The natural man is by nature a child of wrath. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The natural man cannot submit to God's law. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The natural man is dead in his sins. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The natural man is in need of a spiritual rebirth. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The natural man requires heart circumcision so he may love God. <= I wonder how many here deny that.

The Bible teaches that we sin because we are sinners. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The Bible teaches that God alone is good. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The Bible teaches that a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The Bible teaches that all (as natural men) are under the control of the evil one. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The Bible teaches that we need to be rescued. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The Bible teaches that man’s heart is deceitful and desperately wicked. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The Bible teaches that man is born dead in transgression and sin. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The Bible teaches that the natural man is held captive by a love for sin. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The Bible teaches that the natural man will not seek God. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The Bible teaches that the natural man loves the darkness. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The Bible teaches that the natural man does not understand the things of God. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The Bible teaches that the natural man suppress the truth of God in unrighteousness. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The Bible teaches that the natural man continues to willfully live in sin. <= I wonder how many here deny that.
The Bible teaches that the natural man's sinful lifestyle seems right to men. <= I wonder how many here deny that.

 

[Magenta]

John 10:27-28 My sheep hear My voice, I know them and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.

 

[Cameron143]

John 15:26 KJV — But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

The Holy Spirit proclaims Christ as something that one believes.

Thanks for sharing. So God draws. The Spirit illumines and convicts, but salvation is not of God?

 

[Magenta]

John 15:26 KJV — But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the
Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

The Holy Spirit proclaims Christ as something that one believes.

You took that verse out of context. The whole chapter is addressed to believers.

You have the Holy Spirit comforting unbelievers? Unbelievers testifying?

That's messed up, yo.

 

[brightfame52]

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All men are all born with the ability to believe in / trust in the Good News.

False statement.

 

[brightfame52]

With the "His people" (one and all), solely being those whom He elected to salvation from before the foundation of the world, by which, though Him, were they made "His people", correct?

[1Pe 2:9-10 KJV]
9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

They were always His People secretly in election, when they are called in time, its made manifest they were His People if you talking about Gentiles. Remember Jesus speaking of what I believe to be Gentile Sheep, even b4 they are called and hear His voice were His Sheep/People Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

False statement.

Then why does the Bible tell us to if we can't?

 

[Genez]

This is a bunch of nonsense putting mans will above Gods will

If that were the case....
But, it's not.

To say man does not have a will is to say God failed to create man in His image.

 

[fredoheaven]

They cannot just choose to enter. So much for free will.

But I understand why you do not want to admit that.

Not to be argumentative here but this is not what you have quoted as good proof text, 'afterall, trying' is not ' believing'. Big difference, unless you redefine faith as work.