Yes, indeed. In spite of all his boastful claims on how learned, and studied and smart he is.
Understanding God’s election
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Yes, indeed. In spite of all his boastful claims on how learned, and studied and smart he is.
That is more God's concern than it ever could be yours.
He does not need your guidance.
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It was an answer.
Just... Not the one you wanted to hear.
Do tares ever become wheat?
With today's junk food? Yes.
No, it means the person was God's elect who was regenerated so that he will believe the gospel that he was destined to believe.
Your concern seemed to be the person's salvation. It seems that God has been known to open the hearts and understanding of people in the Bible. Why wouldn't you want that for someone?
This kind of reply provides strong evidence that FWers very likiely don't pray to God for the salvation of lost souls. Why would any of you FWers since Man is the last stop on the chain of salvation. The buck stops with man, not God. Man effectuates his own salvation with his "free" will decision. God only sits passively by on the sidelines watching everything unfold and then reacts accordingly.
I pointed out the huge problem with FWT and prayer for lost people a few weeks ago. A problem that no one here adequately addressed. It makes zero sense in FWT to pray to a passive God for the salvation for the salvation of any lost soul. FWer's time would be better spent praying to the person who actually effectuates his/her own salvation.
Why wouldn't you want god (not the god of the Bible) do that for everyone then, is he having some sovereignty issues?
That is boastful falsehood. Another symptom of the idol to self.
The learned do not attack people's children here and skate across the rule against that . They don't speak like devils.
The God of the Bible is the only one Christians know.
What god are you worshipping that you would refer to them.
Again we go back to the thief on the cross. They were both guilty. Both committed crimes. One was not more worthy of heaven than the other. Yet you would say one was elect and the other isn't.
Not to mention that Scripture does NOT make clear that faith always preceded regeneration.
They have stony ground growing a good tree to produce good fruit, which is contrary to Scripture.
With the heart one believes. That is why in their theology the natural man is not such
a bad guy despite a plethora of verses against him, including the very words of Jesus.
Ummm? Gonna have to fill me in on that one.
How so? If I stuck a gun to your head and say " Love me!!!" I'm pretty sure you'd do at least a decent act to save your sin. That's not God, He wants us to choose to serve Him.
Oh but he does not, so he must not be sovereign.
Perfect deduction
Since we can deduce as we se fit, works for me. (not)
It's not possible for God to be partial, since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. If YOU are going to accuse God of being partial, then you need to explain the BASIS for the partiality you allege. Since it can't be sin, then is it race, ethnicity, economic status, social status, political affiliation, church affiliation, what?
Moreover, your bogus argument infers that sinners themselves decide if they want to live or die. Yet, Rom 9 teaches us very differently as does chapter 5 of John's Gospel:
John 5:21
21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.
NIV
And the above text further implies that Son certainly was never pleased to give life to all men. Mat 7:23 succinctly proves this point!
We can even go back to the OT to the Bronze Serpent typology. It certainly pleased God to spare some Jews from being bitten before having the opportunity to look to the serpent to be saved after they were bitten as the first group was. This second group fared much better than the first, since obviously God was not pleased to afford the same opportunity to the first group who were bitten and died.
And what opportunity did God give to millions who comprised the seven nations who occupied the Promised Land that God gave to Israel? David alone shed so much blood in driving out God's enemies (and Israel's) that he was not permitted to build a temple for the Lord. God's instructions to the Israelites were to DRIVE those enemies from HIS land! Kinda like God DROVE Adam out of the Garden.
God isn't this cosmic equal opportunity employer that so many of FWers make him out to be.
They were criminals, they were there because they were convicted. They were sinful, one of them recognized that when he said they were guilty but Jesus had done nothing wrong. He admitted his sin, and that he deserved to die for it.
The problem with fallen man is that he has lost the ability to turn to God. He still is at liberty to choose either good or evil. However, since he has lost his ability to choose good – he can only choose evil.
It is the work of the HS to restore his ability and draw him to God. This is GRACE!
Gen 6:5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
It is the work of the HS to restore his ability and draw him to God. This is GRACE!
Gen 6:5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.